papachaz Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 hours ago, freakyfalcon said: I would trade Ryan for Stafford straight up and I like Ryan. Stafford just has the better arm IMO I can think of 3 posters here I'd trade for the 3 worst posters on the saints report, and it would make this place a better place... PuppyMonster, Tandy, Herr Doktor and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 6 minutes ago, since68andcounting said: Yeah, the criteria for “deep” in that analysis is more than 20 yards. I’m sorry, 25 or even 35 yards is not a “deep” ball imo. Matt is actually very strong in that medium long 20-30 yard range. I would say it’s his biggest strength throwing wise. Where he struggles is the “air it out” take the top off the defense throws that keep the safeties on their heels and keep you from ending up with 8 in the box, thus impacting your running game. The passes you're speaking of happen maybe a few times a game. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-20-deep-ball-project Another source with Ryan top 5 in deep passes Vandy, Ergo Proxy and AUTiger7222 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya_boi_j Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 35 minutes ago, Mister pudding said: I missed your comebacks! How have you been? Reminds me of when you verbally hazed me when i was brand new haha 😂 What's good. Everything has been everything. If I ever said anything to make you feel small, it means I like you. If I don't say anything to you at all, pretty much means you're dead to me Mister pudding and papachaz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cblack Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Mr.11 said: You should quit football for saying this. Brady's story is well documented. Anybody who actually knows something about NFL football knows that Brady had the worst combine ever for QBs. One of his reviews famously was "can't drive the ball downfield," and back then it was true. You just like the other poster ise a combine report to back an assertion while I pointed to his sunday film... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, since68andcounting said: Yeah, the criteria for “deep” in that analysis is more than 20 yards. I’m sorry, 25 or even 35 yards is not a “deep” ball imo. Matt is actually very strong in that medium long 20-30 yard range. I would say it’s his biggest strength throwing wise. Where he struggles is the “air it out” take the top off the defense throws that keep the safeties on their heels and keep you from ending up with 8 in the box, thus impacting your running game. LMAO, you’ve completely bought into another TAFT false narrative...you won’t find a better deep throw than this one. Truth-to-tell, Ryan has always excelled on the deep post when he’s has the pocket to step into his throws. Herr Doktor, Ergo Proxy, Colbeee and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister pudding Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said: 😂 What's good. Everything has been everything. If I ever said anything to make you feel small, it means I like you. If I don't say anything to you at all, pretty much means you're dead to me I know! I enjoy the back and forth.. i dont get offended by any banter. Makes life and this board quite interesting in these times of which qb are we taking at 4, worded slightly different lol ya_boi_j 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Vandy said: LMAO, you’ve completely bought into another TAFT false narrative...you won’t find a better deep throw than this one. Truth-to-tell, Ryan has always excelled on the deep post when he’s has the pocket to step into his throws. that ball was close to 60 yards in the air, and right on target but Matt's a noodle arm, didn't you know that? Tandy, Herr Doktor, AUTiger7222 and 2 others 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 18 hours ago, atljbo said: That puts the Lions as one of the teams possibly trading up for a QB Yep! Bring ‘em on! Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: The passes you're speaking of happen maybe a few times a game. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-20-deep-ball-project Another source with Ryan top 5 in deep passes Bingo!! But I give up. I'm tired of trying to teach football to people who refuse to watch Matt Ryan play and judge him objectivity. The lack of true football IQ on this message board is incredible. Herr Doktor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakyfalcon Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: The passes you're speaking of happen maybe a few times a game. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-20-deep-ball-project Another source with Ryan top 5 in deep passes thanks I was looking for something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakyfalcon Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: Bingo!! But I give up. I'm tired of trying to teach football to people who refuse to watch Matt Ryan play and judge him objectivity. The lack of true football IQ on this message board is incredible. this is nothing compared to when Vick was a Falcon. The board was a cesspool Herr Doktor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, cblack said: You just like the other poster ise a combine report to back an assertion while I pointed to his sunday film... If you truly looked at his "Sunday film" you will see that early in his NFL career his arm strength was an issue. It wasn't until he started training with Tom House in the mid 2000s that his arm strength improved. There was a reason the Patriots PROTECTED Brady early in his career with a running game and a stout defense. Brady rarely threw more than 40 times per game early in his career cause Bill knew if he forced Brady to throw too much he would get exposed and the Patriots would lose. It wasn't until they got Randy Moss in 2007 that Brady became the guy he is today. Prior to that he was not any better than Matt Ryan. 2001 - 264/413 (63.9%), 2843 YDS (6.9), 18 TD, 12 INT, 86.5 QB Rating 2002 - 373/601 (62.1%), 3764 YDS (6.3), 28 TD, 14 INT, 85.7 QB Rating 2003 - 317/527 (60.2%), 3620 YDS (6.9), 23 TD, 12 INT, 85.9 QB Rating 2004 - 288/474 (60.8%), 3692 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 14 INT, 92.6 QB Rating 2005 - 334/530 (63.0%), 4110 YDS (7.8), 26 TD, 14 INT, 92.3 QB Rating 2006 - 319/516 (61.8%), 3529 YDS (6.8), 24 TD, 12 INT, 87.9 QB Rating Seriously, it's right there in black and white. People have this image of who Tom Brady is when that is not who Tom Brady was early in his career. Herr Doktor and Colbeee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, freakyfalcon said: this is nothing compared to when Vick was a Falcon. The board was a cesspool I'm aware. I was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: I'm aware. I was here. God, the FLAME WARS. A brutal time indeed. freakyfalcon and AUTiger7222 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigerfan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) It seems like there are a lot of teams that could be in search of a starting QB (Colts, Saints, Washington, San Fran, Broncos, Cowboys) so Stafford should have a hot market for a trade. I just hope he doesn't go to NO. Edited January 25 by autigerfan Addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaJoe Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 24 minutes ago, autigerfan said: It seems like there are a lot of teams that could be in search of a starting QB (Colts, Saints, Washington, San Fran, Broncos, Cowboys) so Stafford should have a hot market for a trade. I just hope he doesn't go to NO. You left out New England; Cam ain't the answer for Belichek. Others that could be considering it are: Bears, Vikings, Panthers, Dolphins, Steelers, Texans, Raiders. Couple teams in here that wouldn't surprise me at all if they pursue Stafford or Watson. autigerfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandcanyonaz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I couldn't imagine someone giving a 1st rounder for Stafford. raysnill1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, grandcanyonaz said: I couldn't imagine someone giving a 1st rounder for Stafford. 3rd rounder AT BEST. dude has 4 winning seasons his whole career Herr Doktor and grandcanyonaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaJoe Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, raysnill1 said: 3rd rounder AT BEST. dude has 4 winning seasons his whole career ... sigh. AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, PapaJoe said: ... sigh. My thought exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandcanyonaz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 17 minutes ago, raysnill1 said: 3rd rounder AT BEST. dude has 4 winning seasons his whole career Someone will probably be dumb enough to do it like they did with Carson Palmer and Sam Bradford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cblack Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 hours ago, AUTiger7222 said: If you truly looked at his "Sunday film" you will see that early in his NFL career his arm strength was an issue. It wasn't until he started training with Tom House in the mid 2000s that his arm strength improved. There was a reason the Patriots PROTECTED Brady early in his career with a running game and a stout defense. Brady rarely threw more than 40 times per game early in his career cause Bill knew if he forced Brady to throw too much he would get exposed and the Patriots would lose. It wasn't until they got Randy Moss in 2007 that Brady became the guy he is today. Prior to that he was not any better than Matt Ryan. 2001 - 264/413 (63.9%), 2843 YDS (6.9), 18 TD, 12 INT, 86.5 QB Rating 2002 - 373/601 (62.1%), 3764 YDS (6.3), 28 TD, 14 INT, 85.7 QB Rating 2003 - 317/527 (60.2%), 3620 YDS (6.9), 23 TD, 12 INT, 85.9 QB Rating 2004 - 288/474 (60.8%), 3692 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 14 INT, 92.6 QB Rating 2005 - 334/530 (63.0%), 4110 YDS (7.8), 26 TD, 14 INT, 92.3 QB Rating 2006 - 319/516 (61.8%), 3529 YDS (6.8), 24 TD, 12 INT, 87.9 QB Rating Seriously, it's right there in black and white. People have this image of who Tom Brady is when that is not who Tom Brady was early in his career. The mental gymnastics you undertake to equate Ryan with Brady are ridiculous. Competent headcoaches protect their qbs from throwing 40 times a game! Not just Belicheck.lol... Hail Mahomes doesnt even throw that much. Putting a run game around your qb is what all decent head coaches do.....most certainly a hall of fame head coach. By this knowledge Mike Smith the head coach put a running game around Ryan when he got here with the "Burner" Turner, to "protect" him from throwing 40 times a game..lol.....you can find stats to justify just about anything, you proved that. Brady was top flight before Randy ever showed up, his production went out of the stratosphere when he arrived because prior to him he never really had a true number 1 receiver and promptly set scoring records with him.....as supposed to your goat qb who has played with the likes Julio, Gonzalez, White who was arguably the best receiver this franchise has had prior to Julio.....whatever sir I digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/24/2021 at 10:52 AM, Vandy said: LMAO, you’ve completely bought into another TAFT false narrative...you won’t find a better deep throw than this one. Truth-to-tell, Ryan has always excelled on the deep post when he’s has the pocket to step into his throws. Ryan always had problems with the OG and middle of the OL. He was under pressure on that throw but could step in to and sling it 60 yards down field. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 hours ago, cblack said: The mental gymnastics you undertake to equate Ryan with Brady are ridiculous. Competent headcoaches protect their qbs from throwing 40 times a game! Not just Belicheck.lol... Hail Mahomes doesnt even throw that much. Putting a run game around your qb is what all decent head coaches do.....most certainly a hall of fame head coach. By this knowledge Mike Smith the head coach put a running game around Ryan when he got here with the "Burner" Turner, to "protect" him from throwing 40 times a game..lol.....you can find stats to justify just about anything, you proved that. Brady was top flight before Randy ever showed up, his production went out of the stratosphere when he arrived because prior to him he never really had a true number 1 receiver and promptly set scoring records with him.....as supposed to your goat qb who has played with the likes Julio, Gonzalez, White who was arguably the best receiver this franchise has had prior to Julio.....whatever sir I digress. Excuse me for pointing out FACTS to you because you have a picture of Tom Brady in your head that does not compute with REALITY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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