AF89 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 @Leon Troutsky might appreciate this one not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, AF89 said: We'll just counter with a Biden dementia meme and put it right back Well played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF89 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I was today years old when I learned Starship Troopers (the book) had a 1988 anime adaptation (In the novel they used power armor so this one is really channeling some Gundam) lostone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40milesN Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Carter said: Well I finally found it @lostone. The PC that will get me into the PC master race. Lenovo Legion Tower 7i, GeForce RTX 3070 here we go. Just waiting 😀 Waiting for Lenovo is never a good thing after hrs with support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 33 minutes ago, Mr.11 said: I don't think he's being serious dude. He is being dismissive, but as I said, when the same people, who believe the Biden admin has not done enough for them, stay home, I don't want to see the pikachu meme on their face. 40% of register black voters stated they are more likely to stay home if something isn't done about Student Loans. 15 min wage is a popular issue affecting millions of people who are part of the democratic base. Instead of acknowledging that Dems need to help these people to give them a reason to continue to turn out, we get "bUt hE DIdn'T PrOmISe tHAt". The Monarch, Moist Words, AF89 and 3 others 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corn Pop Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 17 minutes ago, Sponge said: Trout, you're my boy, so just let me know and I can post an AOC meme to take the heat off you. For every AOC meme you post I will donate additional moneys to AOC. Mr. Hoopah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF89 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, GEORGIAfan said: He is being dismissive, but as I said, when the same people, who believe the Biden admin has not done enough for them, stay home, I don't want to see the pikachu meme on their face. 40% of register black voters stated they are more likely to stay home if something isn't done about Student Loans. 15 min wage is a popular issue affecting millions of people who are part of the democratic base. Instead of acknowledging that Dems need to help these people to give them a reason to continue to turn out, we get "bUt hE DIdn'T PrOmISe tHAt". At a certain point Kamala may have to go aggro on Biden like he's a truant mother cause he might just decide 2022 and 2024 aren't his problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF89 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Corn Pop said: For every AOC meme you post I will donate additional moneys to AOC. Only fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 15 minutes ago, eatcorn said: So why are you only entertaining what you perceive to be illegitimate criticism? The dude's Admin is going to give fewer people less money than Donald Trump! I’ve engaged and acknowledged legitimate criticisms, not just of Biden but Dems generally. See my comments about Cuomo, for example, or my statements about Biden/Dems use of “immediately” regarding checks. I even acknowledged that criticism about the $1400 vs. $2000 was legitimate even if I don’t think it’s that big a deal. So why aren’t you being more critical of those “far left” voices and people pushing ridiculous criticisms such as attacking Biden for not doing things he never promised to do (e.g., $50k student loan forgiveness)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 In retrospect, $2,000 was a good amount for Trump to suggest he could get people. It cost him nothing to demand Congress give people $2,000, and now it's forced the Democrats to live up to a certain check size for everyone when they'll naturally want to target aid in a country full of poverty, while trimming the overall size of the package enough to satisfy even the most conservative Democrats in the Senate. The way it's going now, by the time they actually pass the thing, Biden will have lost more Democratic voters in 2022 and thus 2024 than he regains when people get checks. I only point it out because no one else would have otherwise, creating that specific expectation was a good way to wing Biden right out of the gate. Corn Pop and AF89 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said: He is being dismissive, but as I said, when the same people, who believe the Biden admin has not done enough for them, stay home, I don't want to see the pikachu meme on their face. 40% of register black voters stated they are more likely to stay home if something isn't done about Student Loans. 15 min wage is a popular issue affecting millions of people who are part of the democratic base. Instead of acknowledging that Dems need to help these people to give them a reason to continue to turn out, we get "bUt hE DIdn'T PrOmISe tHAt". First, it’s ludicrous to attack a politician for not doing something he never promised to do. Would it be legitimate for me to attack Bernie for not introducing legislation to give free tires for every car? And every single day post something like, “Day 44 and Bernie still hasn’t given us free tires...I’m NEVER VOTING PROGRESSIVE AGAIN!!!”. When has anybody ever held politicians to that standard? Second, for all of the hot takes about 2022 and threats about Dems losing the election, what gets lost in the discussion is this... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-2020-gains-in-the-house-set-them-up-well-for-2022/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fallout-from-texass-winter-storm-wont-hurt-republicans-at-the-ballot-box-in-2022/ There’s probably nothing that Dems can do to prevent losing the majority. So all of this “if Dems don’t do X, they’re going to lose 2022 and deserve it” misses the much bigger, structural factors that drive elections. HolyMoses 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Leon Troutsky said: First, it’s ludicrous to attack a politician for not doing something he never promised to do. Would it be legitimate for me to attack Bernie for not introducing legislation to give free tires for every car? And every single day post something like, “Day 44 and Bernie still hasn’t given us free tires...I’m NEVER VOTING PROGRESSIVE AGAIN!!!”. When has anybody ever held politicians to that standard? Second, for all of the hot takes about 2022 and threats about Dems losing the election, what gets lost in the discussion is this... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-2020-gains-in-the-house-set-them-up-well-for-2022/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fallout-from-texass-winter-storm-wont-hurt-republicans-at-the-ballot-box-in-2022/ There’s probably nothing that Dems can do to prevent losing the majority. So all of this “if Dems don’t do X, they’re going to lose 2022 and deserve it” misses the much bigger, structural factors that drive elections. Sounds like they need to pass major election reform in Biden's first two years regardless of whatever he specifically did or didn't promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monarch Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 10 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said: I’ve engaged and acknowledged legitimate criticisms, not just of Biden but Dems generally. See my comments about Cuomo, for example, or my statements about Biden/Dems use of “immediately” regarding checks. I even acknowledged that criticism about the $1400 vs. $2000 was legitimate even if I don’t think it’s that big a deal. So why aren’t you being more critical of those “far left” voices and people pushing ridiculous criticisms such as attacking Biden for not doing things he never promised to do (e.g., $50k student loan forgiveness)? lol glad you came around there. I may not have BO's memory of an elephant but I **** sure didn't forget your defense of him not too long ago against such mean leftist attacks. " " The Joe Biden Presidency Thread Leon Troutsky replied to Mr. Hoopah!'s topic in Anything but Football ...imagine the number of deaths ifCuomo had done nothing! NY would have like 18 million deaths by now! Good jobCuomo! October 30, 2020 78,689 replies" " The Joe Biden Presidency Thread Leon Troutsky replied to Mr. Hoopah!'s topic in Anything but Football ...But criticizingCuomo or NY is rank hackery. It’s one of the largest states in the country and a major hub for European travelers (where the more contagious strain of covid came from) PLUS it hit them weeks before scientists realized that simple things like masks could protest people. The cu..." " Covid-19 thread 2.0 Leon Troutsky replied to Aleksandr sportolli's topic in Anything but Football ...People can hate onCuomo, but he’s giving lessons about how to handle this thing. June 14, 2020 2,750 replies" Can you remind me of your critiques of Biden? I probably missed them amidst your endless defense of him and your constant straw-manning of the left. Corn Pop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Corn Pop said: For every AOC meme you post I will donate additional moneys to AOC. I'm gonna make you blow your whole Biden check then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyMoses Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, bdog 29 said: So to recap the first few months of the Biden presidency: Wavered on student loan forgiveness Lowered stimulus amount and then capped said amount at a lower income threshold than Trump Child separation policy still intact Stock market crashing Gas prices soaring Food prices soaring Filibuster still intact As it stands now, Democrats are in for an absolute shellacking in 2022 and it's all their fault. I don't know how you can see what's going on in this country and think you can get by politically on the same Obama era BS that got us Trump to begin with. If I were Biden I'd look at all this **** and throw a political hail mary that'll at least get me some love from my base. But these guys are hellbent on pissing everyone off for the sake of moderation. I stopped reading after the first two bad faith points. 1) Biden did not "waiver" on student loan forgiveness. If you have evidence that he has waivered from the loan forgiveness policy that HE ran on, I will apologize. 2) Come close, I want to whisper something in your ear . . . . . THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A "CHILD SEPARATION POLICY" UNDER THE OBAMA OR BIDEN ADMINISTRATION! There WAS a "cage" policy. It applied only to children traveling withOUT their families. They had ALREADY been separated. We can have aa honest discussion about the evils of that policy. But any separation that occurred was not a "policy". Children were separated from their family but ONLY when there was an immediate threat TO the children FROM their families, just like any other American child. The Trump administration made family separation a policy. And Biden ain't doing that. Leon Troutsky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, Serge said: Sounds like they need to pass major election reform in Biden's first two years regardless of whatever he specifically did or didn't promise. The House actually did just pass a major election reform bill earlier this week. HolyMoses, Serge and Door Gunner 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF89 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 7 minutes ago, Sponge said: I'm gonna make you blow your whole Biden check then You gotta do better. Like yeah heres Socialism so what? Posting her dancing outside of a detention center when shes one of the few dems who still care....now that's jimmie rustlin Mr. Hoopah!, Corn Pop and Door Gunner 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, The Monarch said: lol glad you came around there. I may not have BO's memory of an elephant but I **** sure didn't forget your defense of him not too long ago against such mean leftist attacks. " " The Joe Biden Presidency Thread Leon Troutsky replied to Mr. Hoopah!'s topic in Anything but Football ...imagine the number of deaths ifCuomo had done nothing! NY would have like 18 million deaths by now! Good jobCuomo! October 30, 2020 78,689 replies" " The Joe Biden Presidency Thread Leon Troutsky replied to Mr. Hoopah!'s topic in Anything but Football ...But criticizingCuomo or NY is rank hackery. It’s one of the largest states in the country and a major hub for European travelers (where the more contagious strain of covid came from) PLUS it hit them weeks before scientists realized that simple things like masks could protest people. The cu..." " Covid-19 thread 2.0 Leon Troutsky replied to Aleksandr sportolli's topic in Anything but Football ...People can hate onCuomo, but he’s giving lessons about how to handle this thing. June 14, 2020 2,750 replies" Can you remind me of your critiques of Biden? I probably missed them amidst your endless defense of him and your constant straw-manning of the left. I defended Cuomo during the early days of the pandemic, yes. That Oct 30th post was a facetious response to a specific post, by the way. Care to post what I said about Cuomo in the past 2-3 weeks? Those posts should have been easier for you to find, so it’s curious that you didn’t post them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdog 29 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Leon Troutsky said: The House actually did just pass a major election reform bill earlier this week. We're not stupid. As things stand now we all know it's dead on arrival in the Senate. No one is going to be happy with show votes that lead to nothing. If they care that much about passing this, figure out a way to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, bdog 29 said: We're not stupid. As things stand now we all know it's dead on arrival in the Senate. No one is going to be happy with show votes that lead to nothing. If they care that much about passing this, figure out a way to make it happen. Huh, how come these types of “figure out a way to make it happen” arguments don’t apply across the board. Bernie promised to forgive $50k in student loans. What’s he done to make it happen? Why should I ever vote for a progressive again if Bernie breaks his promise on student loan forgiveness? Why hasn’t he figured out a way to make it happen yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, AF89 said: You gotta do better. Like yeah heres Socialism so what? Posting her dancing outside of a detention center when shes one of the few dems who still care....now that's jimmie rustlin AOC internet memes are kinda weak. They don't have the dry humor I enjoy. I'm sure if I spent the time hating on her like the far right, I could make killer memes. And you know my gif game has always been on point. I'm actually for some democratic socialism like M4A achilles return and AF89 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdog 29 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said: Huh, how come these types of “figure out a way to make it happen” don’t apply across the board. Bernie promised to forgive $50k in student loans. What’s he done to make it happen? Why should I ever vote for a progressive again if Bernie breaks his promise on student loan forgiveness? Why hasn’t he figured out a way to make it happen yet? **** throw Bernie in with them. I personally do not care about any of these individuals as people. I am talking wholly about the Democratic party. Carter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatcorn Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 25 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said: So why aren’t you being more critical of those “far left” voices and people pushing ridiculous criticisms such as attacking Biden for not doing things he never promised to do (e.g., $50k student loan forgiveness)? I just find it pretty easy to scroll on by, to be honest. And I'm glad there are people pushing Biden left, or at least trying to, so I'm a little more forgiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monarch Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said: I defended Cuomo during the early days of the pandemic, yes. That Oct 30th post was a facetious response to a specific post, by the way. Care to post what I said about Cuomo in the past 2-3 weeks? Those posts should have been easier for you to find, so it’s curious that you didn’t post them. I said it was nice of you to come around, which kind of proves the point. All criticism is invalid until very serious people like you deem it valid. Before that it's just unsubstantiated bloviating from the left. Corn Pop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatcorn Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 22 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said: There’s probably nothing that Dems can do to prevent losing the majority. So all of this “if Dems don’t do X, they’re going to lose 2022 and deserve it” misses the much bigger, structural factors that drive elections. Which begs the question: if you want to go big, then why not now? And the answer is: they don't want to. Moist Words, The Monarch, 40milesN and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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