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1 minute ago, AF89 said:

Keep in mind it wasn't just the photo, he had other women come forward similar to what's happening with Cumo and say yeah he made us uncomfortable. The validity of those claims and all I've kinda lost on 4 years later but I do remember them being made

 

1 minute ago, Mr. Hoopah! said:

Ultimately 8 women came forward and accused him of sexual misconduct dating back to at least 2006 when he was still a radio host.  I think he denied most of them, no way he could deny the Tweeden allegations once the photo was published.  I don't say that to say he would have denied that also had the photo not emerged, but who knows.

Had the Tweeden incident been the only one, I'd be more inclined to agree.  I loved Franken on SNL and in movies. He seemed like he was trying to fight the good fight in Government.  But unfortunately he appears to have behaved in ways previously not considered inappropriate by a staggering number of men years ago to not be problematic, and he needed to resign as a result.

I did forget about those.

It is hard to keep up.....

 

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33 minutes ago, HolyMoses said:

Please tell me you aren't talking about this photograph . . . . Please?

Al Franken Accused of Sexual Assault - The Atlantic

Because we need to be clear about holding someone accountable for sexual harassment v. holding someone accountable for making light of sexual harassment.

Is she asleep or blinking?

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I'll continue to die on the hill that Katie Hill should have resigned for her inappropriate relationship with a staffer even if she didn't resign because all of the psychos who sent her death threats after her piece of **** husband leaked the photos as revenge porn. It was consensual, but as it was with a staffer, there was still some element of coercion because Hill was an authority figure. 

It's not that hard to just not try to/actually **** the people you work with, especially if you're the boss!

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20 minutes ago, Mr. Hoopah! said:

Ahh, yeah, the dem donors saying they feel like suckers and still mad about Franken can get bent.  He absolutely should have resigned, doesn't matter if folks like Trump and Northam subsequently refused, they're still ****heads.

I am talking about that photo!  Even Franken admitted it was wrong.

"I am ashamed of that photo," Franken told Minnesota Public Radio. "She didn’t have any ability to consent. She had every right to feel violated by that photo. I have apologized to her. I was very grateful that she accepted my apology. That is all I can say. My intent doesn’t matter. What matters is that she felt the way she felt from this photo and for that I am ashamed.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-franken-embarassed-groping-claims-rebuild-trust/story?id=51394106

 

That apology is ********.  

She felt violated because he made a joke about harassing her.

1) There is no evidence that there was actual contact.

2) If there WAS actual contact, it was through a flack jacket.  It was through a material that is intended to STOP A BULLET.  That was the ******* JOKE!!!  

Now, we can have a discussion about whether or not he should make a joke about it.  But I will go to my grave insisting that this was not sexual haassment.

Wait . . . I'm sorry.  Let's take a step back again:

Did she feel violated because he touched her?  Or did she feel violated because he pretended to sexually assault her?

We can have a discussion if it is the latter.  But the first is total ********.

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Now I'll turnabout it about and say I don't remember most of the Franken accusations being as egregious as leverging your position to pressure your underlings for sexual favors, most were (from what I can remember) actually more akin to Bidens, in that he touched constituents inappropriately in public and I think there was at least one unwanted kiss attempt that may or may not have been during his Senatorial career.

But it's more honest to say that was so long ago I can't remember 

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1 minute ago, HolyMoses said:

That apology is ********.  

She felt violated because he made a joke about harassing her.

1) There is no evidence that there was actual contact.

2) If there WAS actual contact, it was through a flack jacket.  It was through a material that is intended to STOP A BULLET.  That was the ******* JOKE!!!  

Now, we can have a discussion about whether or not he should make a joke about it.  But I will go to my grave insisting that this was not sexual haassment.

Wait . . . I'm sorry.  Let's take a step back again:

Did she feel violated because he touched her?  Or did she feel violated because he pretended to sexually assault her?

We can have a discussion if it is the latter.  But the first is total ********.

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13 hours ago, Aleksandr sportolli said:

I'm kind of proud that I have absolutely no ******* clue who David Muir is and that none of y'all have subjected me to him or what I'm gonna have to assume are his ****ty takes.

 

 

you've never seen world news tonight?

tbh i don't think i've ever seen a david muir opinion on anything. he's just the boring nightly news guy.

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6 minutes ago, AF89 said:

Now I'll turnabout it about and say I don't remember most of the Franken accusations being as egregious as leverging your position to pressure your underlings for sexual favors, it was (from what I can remember) actually more akin to Bidens, in that he touched constituents inappropriately in public and I think there was at least one unwanted kiss attempt that may or may not have been during his Senatorial career.

But it's more honest to say that was so long ago I can't remember 

There was some *** grabbing.  At least there were allegations of *** grabbing during pictures . .  one was at a State Fair or something.  If you subscribe to the believe women perspective, which I think you should, then the actual *** grabbing is grounds for bouncing him (and anyone else.)  There were no allegations of anyone he worked with in the Senate but one coworker on SNL said he over rehearsed a stage kiss.

But the picture was nothing.

@Mr. Hoopah! Lee Travino can shake his head all he wants.  But NO WAY is Al Franken sexually assaulting her in that picture.  Again, it COULD be considered sexual harassment because he is objectifying her with the joke.  But it way before he was a politician.  It was when he was a . . . comedian.  I sincerely hope that this is not your breast fondling technique.  He's making a joke.  That's why he is mugging for the camera etc . . .  

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5 minutes ago, HolyMoses said:

2) If there WAS actual contact, it was through a flack jacket.  It was through a material that is intended to STOP A BULLET.  That was the ******* JOKE!!!  

So you're basically saying you can go up and cup women's tits as long as the material covering the tits is at a certain thickness to where it can't be felt.

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Just now, achilles return said:

you've never seen world news tonight?

tbh i don't think i've ever seen a david muir opinion on anything. he's just the boring nightly news guy.

I don't really watch TV much at all and only watch the news when there's some major shot going down. 90% of any TV that I watch is whatever my daughter or wife are watching.

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20 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

But killing a journalist and US resident, then chopping him up in little pieces is OK though. 

Saudi balls rest comfortably on our chin no matter which party is in power.

I never like to deal in absolutes but now w/ the economy in the gutter, it's a perfect time to wing ourselves off the crack dealer China.

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Just now, Aleksandr sportolli said:

I don't really watch TV much at all and only watch the news when there's some major shot going down. 90% of any TV that I watch is whatever my daughter or wife are watching.

my parents always watched abc's world news tonight growing up, that theme permanently is stuck in my head

 

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1 minute ago, Sponge said:

So you're basically saying you can go up and cup women's tits as long as the material covering the tits is at a certain thickness to where it can't be felt.

What is cupping?  Is it pretending to touch?  Is it maybe barely touching accidentally as you look at the camera?  Is it intentionally making light contact?  Is it actually putting pressure?

I'm not saying you can do any of these things.  I AM saying that given the context, if it was the first two, it  . . . 

I'll say this.  If that was my son, and he was wearing crotch protection over his underwear and fatigues and he had been on tour with Franken and it was the first two  (accidental light touching at worse) I would have no problem with it.  

And if it was my daughter, same answer.

 

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