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33 minutes ago, Mr.11 said:

I don't think he's being serious dude.

He is being dismissive, but as I said, when the same people, who believe the Biden admin has not done enough for them, stay home, I don't want to see the pikachu meme on their face. 40% of register black voters stated they are more likely to stay home if something isn't done about Student Loans. 15 min wage is a popular issue affecting millions of people who are part of the democratic base. Instead of acknowledging that Dems need to help these people to give them a reason to continue to turn out, we get "bUt hE DIdn'T PrOmISe tHAt". 

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1 minute ago, GEORGIAfan said:

He is being dismissive, but as I said, when the same people, who believe the Biden admin has not done enough for them, stay home, I don't want to see the pikachu meme on their face. 40% of register black voters stated they are more likely to stay home if something isn't done about Student Loans. 15 min wage is a popular issue affecting millions of people who are part of the democratic base. Instead of acknowledging that Dems need to help these people to give them a reason to continue to turn out, we get "bUt hE DIdn'T PrOmISe tHAt". 

At a certain point Kamala may have to go aggro on Biden like he's a truant mother cause he might just decide 2022 and 2024 aren't his problem.

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15 minutes ago, eatcorn said:

So why are you only entertaining what you perceive to be illegitimate criticism? The dude's Admin is going to give fewer people less money than Donald Trump!

I’ve engaged and acknowledged legitimate criticisms, not just of Biden but Dems generally.  See my comments about Cuomo, for example, or my statements about Biden/Dems use of “immediately” regarding checks.  I even acknowledged that criticism about the $1400 vs. $2000 was legitimate even if I don’t think it’s that big a deal.

So why aren’t you being more critical of those “far left” voices and people pushing ridiculous criticisms such as attacking Biden for not doing things he never promised to do (e.g., $50k student loan forgiveness)?

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In retrospect, $2,000 was a good amount for Trump to suggest he could get people. It cost him nothing to demand Congress give people $2,000, and now it's forced the Democrats to live up to a certain check size for everyone when they'll naturally want to target aid in a country full of poverty, while trimming the overall size of the package enough to satisfy even the most conservative Democrats in the Senate. The way it's going now, by the time they actually pass the thing, Biden will have lost more Democratic voters in 2022 and thus 2024 than he regains when people get checks. I only point it out because no one else would have otherwise, creating that specific expectation was a good way to wing Biden right out of the gate.

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4 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

He is being dismissive, but as I said, when the same people, who believe the Biden admin has not done enough for them, stay home, I don't want to see the pikachu meme on their face. 40% of register black voters stated they are more likely to stay home if something isn't done about Student Loans. 15 min wage is a popular issue affecting millions of people who are part of the democratic base. Instead of acknowledging that Dems need to help these people to give them a reason to continue to turn out, we get "bUt hE DIdn'T PrOmISe tHAt". 

First, it’s ludicrous to attack a politician for not doing something he never promised to do.  Would it be legitimate for me to attack Bernie for not introducing legislation to give free tires for every car?  And every single day post something like, “Day 44 and Bernie still hasn’t given us free tires...I’m NEVER VOTING PROGRESSIVE AGAIN!!!”.

When has anybody ever held politicians to that standard?  

Second, for all of the hot takes about 2022 and threats about Dems losing the election, what gets lost in the discussion is this...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-2020-gains-in-the-house-set-them-up-well-for-2022/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fallout-from-texass-winter-storm-wont-hurt-republicans-at-the-ballot-box-in-2022/

There’s probably nothing that Dems can do to prevent losing the majority.  So all of this “if Dems don’t do X, they’re going to lose 2022 and deserve it” misses the much bigger, structural factors that drive elections.  

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1 minute ago, Leon Troutsky said:

First, it’s ludicrous to attack a politician for not doing something he never promised to do.  Would it be legitimate for me to attack Bernie for not introducing legislation to give free tires for every car?  And every single day post something like, “Day 44 and Bernie still hasn’t given us free tires...I’m NEVER VOTING PROGRESSIVE AGAIN!!!”.

When has anybody ever held politicians to that standard?  

Second, for all of the hot takes about 2022 and threats about Dems losing the election, what gets lost in the discussion is this...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-2020-gains-in-the-house-set-them-up-well-for-2022/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fallout-from-texass-winter-storm-wont-hurt-republicans-at-the-ballot-box-in-2022/

There’s probably nothing that Dems can do to prevent losing the majority.  So all of this “if Dems don’t do X, they’re going to lose 2022 and deserve it” misses the much bigger, structural factors that drive elections.  

Sounds like they need to pass major election reform in Biden's first two years regardless of whatever he specifically did or didn't promise.

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10 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

I’ve engaged and acknowledged legitimate criticisms, not just of Biden but Dems generally.  See my comments about Cuomo, for example, or my statements about Biden/Dems use of “immediately” regarding checks.  I even acknowledged that criticism about the $1400 vs. $2000 was legitimate even if I don’t think it’s that big a deal.

So why aren’t you being more critical of those “far left” voices and people pushing ridiculous criticisms such as attacking Biden for not doing things he never promised to do (e.g., $50k student loan forgiveness)?

 

lol glad you came around there. I may not have BO's memory of an elephant but I **** sure didn't forget your defense of him not too long ago against such mean leftist attacks. "

 

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...imagine the number of deaths ifCuomo had done nothing! NY would have like 18 million deaths by now! Good jobCuomo!

 

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...But criticizingCuomo or NY is rank hackery. It’s one of the largest states in the country and a major hub for European travelers (where the more contagious strain of covid came from) PLUS it hit them weeks before scientists realized that simple things like masks could protest people. The cu..."
 
 

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...People can hate onCuomo, but he’s giving lessons about how to handle this thing.

 

Can you remind me of your critiques of Biden? I probably missed them amidst your endless defense of him and your constant straw-manning of the left.

 

 

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1 hour ago, bdog 29 said:

So to recap the first few months of the Biden presidency:

Wavered on student loan forgiveness

Lowered stimulus amount and then capped said amount at a lower income threshold than Trump

Child separation policy still intact

Stock market crashing

Gas prices soaring

Food prices soaring

Filibuster still intact

As it stands now, Democrats are in for an absolute shellacking in 2022 and it's all their fault. I don't know how you can see what's going on in this country and think you can get by politically on the same Obama era BS that got us Trump to begin with. If I were Biden I'd look at all this **** and throw a political hail mary that'll at least get me some love from my base. But these guys are hellbent on pissing everyone off for the sake of moderation.

I stopped reading after the first two bad faith points.

1) Biden did not "waiver" on student loan forgiveness.   If you have evidence that he has waivered from the loan forgiveness policy that HE ran on, I will apologize.  

2) Come close, I want to whisper something in your ear  . . .  . .

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A "CHILD SEPARATION POLICY" UNDER THE OBAMA OR BIDEN ADMINISTRATION!

There WAS a "cage" policy.  It applied only to children traveling withOUT their families.  They had ALREADY been separated.  We can have aa honest discussion about the evils of that policy.  But any separation that occurred was not a "policy".  Children were separated from their family but ONLY when there was an immediate threat TO the children FROM their families, just like any other American child.

The Trump administration made family separation a policy.  And Biden ain't doing that.

 

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9 minutes ago, The Monarch said:

 

lol glad you came around there. I may not have BO's memory of an elephant but I **** sure didn't forget your defense of him not too long ago against such mean leftist attacks. "

 

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...imagine the number of deaths ifCuomo had done nothing! NY would have like 18 million deaths by now! Good jobCuomo!

 

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...But criticizingCuomo or NY is rank hackery. It’s one of the largest states in the country and a major hub for European travelers (where the more contagious strain of covid came from) PLUS it hit them weeks before scientists realized that simple things like masks could protest people. The cu..."
 
 

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...People can hate onCuomo, but he’s giving lessons about how to handle this thing.

 

Can you remind me of your critiques of Biden? I probably missed them amidst your endless defense of him and your constant straw-manning of the left.

 

 

I defended Cuomo during the early days of the pandemic, yes.  That Oct 30th post was a facetious response to a specific post, by the way.

Care to post what I said about Cuomo in the past 2-3 weeks?  Those posts should have been easier for you to find, so it’s curious that you didn’t post them. 

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1 minute ago, Leon Troutsky said:

The House actually did just pass a major election reform bill earlier this week.

We're not stupid. As things stand now we all know it's dead on arrival in the Senate. No one is going to be happy with show votes that lead to nothing. If they care that much about passing this, figure out a way to make it happen.

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4 minutes ago, bdog 29 said:

We're not stupid. As things stand now we all know it's dead on arrival in the Senate. No one is going to be happy with show votes that lead to nothing. If they care that much about passing this, figure out a way to make it happen.

Huh, how come these types of “figure out a way to make it happen” arguments don’t apply across the board.

Bernie promised to forgive $50k in student loans.  What’s he done to make it happen?  Why should I ever vote for a progressive again if Bernie breaks his promise on student loan forgiveness?  Why hasn’t he figured out a way to make it happen yet?

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1 minute ago, AF89 said:

You gotta do better. Like yeah heres Socialism so what?

Posting her dancing outside of a detention center when shes one of the few dems who still care....now that's jimmie rustlin 

AOC internet memes are kinda weak. They don't have the dry humor I enjoy. I'm sure if I spent the time hating on her like the far right, I could make killer memes. And you know my gif game has always been on point.

I'm actually for some democratic socialism like M4A :ninja:

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2 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Huh, how come these types of “figure out a way to make it happen” don’t apply across the board.

Bernie promised to forgive $50k in student loans.  What’s he done to make it happen?  Why should I ever vote for a progressive again if Bernie breaks his promise on student loan forgiveness?  Why hasn’t he figured out a way to make it happen yet?

**** throw Bernie in with them. I personally do not care about any of these individuals as people. I am talking wholly about the Democratic party.

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25 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

So why aren’t you being more critical of those “far left” voices and people pushing ridiculous criticisms such as attacking Biden for not doing things he never promised to do (e.g., $50k student loan forgiveness)?

I just find it pretty easy to scroll on by, to be honest. And I'm glad there are people pushing Biden left, or at least trying to, so I'm a little more forgiving.

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8 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

I defended Cuomo during the early days of the pandemic, yes.  That Oct 30th post was a facetious response to a specific post, by the way.

Care to post what I said about Cuomo in the past 2-3 weeks?  Those posts should have been easier for you to find, so it’s curious that you didn’t post them. 

I said it was nice of you to come around, which kind of proves the point. All criticism is invalid until very serious people like you deem it valid. Before that it's just unsubstantiated bloviating from the left.

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22 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

There’s probably nothing that Dems can do to prevent losing the majority.  So all of this “if Dems don’t do X, they’re going to lose 2022 and deserve it” misses the much bigger, structural factors that drive elections.  

Which begs the question: if you want to go big, then why not now?

And the answer is: they don't want to.

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