Optimus_Cr1m35 4,793 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Here, lets put a bow on this. Religion is stupid. Abortion is legal. We can agree to disagree on the rest. RandomFan and NightPain 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Great American 4,514 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Optimus_Cr1m35 said: Civil law is pretty clear. Abortion is ok. That's been upheld. So when will you stop fight against the law? Are you unlawful? Do you ignore other laws? Is man wiser than God? NightPain 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Optimus_Cr1m35 4,793 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just now, The Great American said: Is man wiser than God? Man exists. You and I are proof of that. NightPain and RandomFan 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achilles return 13,716 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 let me put it another way - if you are not religious, you probably accept that there is nothing particularly special about any human religion - they were all created and maintained in the same fashion, dependent on the human society and the given material conditions and social behaviors that borne them and are ultimately respondent to. if this is the case, then you should recognize that it is generally behavior that informs belief, not the other way around. a group of religious adherents will find a spiritual reason to justify the social structures they already accept. ie, you will never rules lawyer someone into changing their mind about some issue through their religion. Optimus_Cr1m35 and The Monarch 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ezekiel 25:17 17,416 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 hours ago, lostone said: Ahhhhhh $HIITTTTTTTT!!!!! 🤣😂🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Great American 4,514 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just now, Optimus_Cr1m35 said: Man exists. You and I are proof of that. True. I've never seen God but I've never seen the wind either. I have seen the effects of the wind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achilles return 13,716 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just now, The Great American said: True. I've never seen God but I've never seen the wind either. I have seen the effects of the wind. got'em RandomFan, Door Gunner, Statick and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shc 2,235 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, JDaveG said: I’m saying your exegesis is bad. Now looky here counselor. My covenant with my mom was I could stop going to church once I got confirmed. So when we found a church that fast tracked you to confirmation at 8th grade, my reading of the Bible stopped. So saying my knowledge of the Bible is bad, is a given. Edited January 21 by shc JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Optimus_Cr1m35 4,793 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just now, The Great American said: True. I've never seen God but I've never seen the wind either. I have seen the effects of the wind. Wind is scientifically measurable. Something we can see. Something that can be touched. If you understand atoms, you understand that fish are to water as land animals are to wind and air. Transparent <> non-existent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ezekiel 25:17 17,416 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 39 minutes ago, Optimus_Cr1m35 said: Also says you shouldn't eat shrimp. Do you eat shrimp? Or lobster? Or oysters? Or calamari? Crab? Maybe it's because that book was used to enslave my ancestors as to why I don't so blindly follow Mens interpretations of it or even believe it tells the whole stories unedited for that matter So any Conservative Bible thumping white man can bite me! Door Gunner, The Branch and Optimus_Cr1m35 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sun Tzu 7 13,926 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just now, Optimus_Cr1m35 said: Wind is scientifically measurable. Something we can see. Something that can be touched. If you understand atoms, you understand that fish are to water as land animals are to wind and air. Transparent <> non-existent. faith by definition cannot be measured... except in body count..... Ezekiel 25:17, RandomFan and Optimus_Cr1m35 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Great American 4,514 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Optimus_Cr1m35 said: Wind is scientifically measurable. Something we can see. Something that can be touched. If you understand atoms, you understand that fish are to water as land animals are to wind and air. Transparent <> non-existent. God is Someone you get or dont get. Depends on the measure of your faith. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ezekiel 25:17 17,416 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 minute ago, Sun Tzu 7 said: faith by definition cannot be measured... except in body count..... But wait... Wouldn't Murder be a sin in that case??? 😵 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Great American 4,514 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said: Maybe it's because that book was used to enslave my ancestors as to why I don't so blindly follow Mens interpretations of it or even believe it tells the whole stories unedited for that matter So any Conservative Bible thumping white man can bite me! Racist much? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 42,627 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, shc said: Now looky here counselor. My covenant with my mom was I could stop going to church once I got confirmed. So when we found a church that fast tracked you to confirmation at 8th grade, my reading of the Bible stopped. So saying my knowledge of the Bible is bad, is a given. Fair, and I don't criticize anyone not knowing something. The point I'm trying to make is, as with the whole shellfish debate, this stuff has long ago been worked out. When the Old Testament was translated into Greek centuries before Christ was born, they used words that have meaning. When the Western Church translated it into Latin, same. When the Church Fathers throughout the centuries spoke of the procession of the Holy Spirit, they used the word "spirate" for a reason. Knockdown arguments are really only good if they knock something down. This one doesn't. Genesis 2 refers to God breathing the spirit of life into man. And because Adam and Eve are special cases in any event, and leaving aside that most Christians are not fundamentalists who hold to a dead literal interpretation of every word of Scripture, you have to at least plumb some of those depths before wading into the water to swim with people who have been swimming in them for a long, long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AF89 47,063 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 lostone 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Optimus_Cr1m35 4,793 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 minute ago, The Great American said: God is Someone you get or dont get. Depends on the measure of your faith. - Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Aleksandr sportolli 46,444 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 JDaveG, AF89, falconsd56 and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achilles return 13,716 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, The Great American said: Racist much? well yes, they were. explicitly so. have you read the things written by white southerners during the antebellum era? they thought their slave-based society was literally ordained by god. you do realize that african slaves weren't already christian before they got here, right? how do you think that happened? RandomFan, Optimus_Cr1m35 and Statick 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sun Tzu 7 13,926 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just now, Ezekiel 25:17 said: But wait... Wouldn't Murder be a sin in that case??? 😵 I guess it depends on which version of the bible you're reading. Apparently any of the below were worthy of death at one point. murder incest bearing false witness on a capital charge adultery idolatry bestiality child sacrifice to pagan god cursing a parent fortune-telling homosexuality Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eatcorn 4,950 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Can we reopen the other thread? There's not much more tedious than arguing religion and matters of faith. And I got a philosophy degree... falconsd56, Door Gunner and JDaveG 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achilles return 13,716 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 "your ancestors were probably really ****ty people" isn't actually an indictment on you unless you decide to defend them Ezekiel 25:17, The Monarch and Optimus_Cr1m35 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ezekiel 25:17 17,416 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said: I guess it depends on which version of the bible you're reading. Apparently any of the below were worthy of death at one point. murder incest bearing false witness on a capital charge adultery idolatry bestiality child sacrifice to pagan god cursing a parent fortune-telling homosexuality So... What you're saying is... Trumpheads don't make it past #5 on your list! Sun Tzu 7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 25,896 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Abortion AND religion debates. Good ol ABF Optimus_Cr1m35 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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