Dukeduke211 663 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 They did no better. They were part of Quinns failure and when given the chance they failed also. I don't get it. Day1, MoFalconsFan56, Boise Falcon Fan and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A Dog Named Brian 3,792 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) You really should quit while you’re ahead this evening Edited January 20 by A Dog Named Brian PokerSteve, Rings, Monolith2001 and 7 others 4 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 32,530 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Is this a real question? ya_boi_j, Peteshweddy, A Dog Named Brian and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CTann 2,823 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Ulbrich and Morris were both miles better at calling defensive plays than DQ. It’s not questionable. DQ practically made zero in-game adjustments in the games he called plays. Morris and a Ulbrich would make in-game adjustments. I’d argue the defense wouldn’t have been too bad if not for those gaping holes at edge rusher, #2 CB, and S that all still exist as of this moment. PokerSteve and slick0ne 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcndave 4,880 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 20 minutes ago, Dukeduke211 said: They did no better. They were part of Quinns failure and when given the chance they failed also. I don't get it. It's a form of backlash. They were all ready to crown him champion, and then he let them down and never got back to that level. They emotionally invested in him, so he now feels their rath. RM and Ulbrich were never the brand here...DQ was. False hope unfulfilled. Monolith2001, PokerSteve, james b and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,321 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Coz TATF hired Morris and Ulbrich. ya_boi_j, Dukeduke211, Killing Floor and 2 others 3 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Day1 106 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 13 minutes ago, CTann said: Ulbrich and Morris were both miles better at calling defensive plays than DQ. It’s not questionable. DQ practically made zero in-game adjustments in the games he called plays. Morris and a Ulbrich would make in-game adjustments. I’d argue the defense wouldn’t have been too bad if not for those gaping holes at edge rusher, #2 CB, and S that all still exist as of this moment. they won a total of 4 games all year, take that Dan quinn. shows you how much better they are than you. PokerSteve and Dukeduke211 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
insight 1,920 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 24 minutes ago, Dukeduke211 said: They did no better. They were part of Quinns failure and when given the chance they failed also. I don't get it. They performed better than Quinn and did a respectable job. Quinn was an epic failure and tainted everyone he worked with. opensource001 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red falcon 4,967 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) As time progressed quinn was exposed. Positivity is amazing but if there are no consequences nothing matters. Great guy just think he was in over his head when it came to managing people after the offense no longer carried the team. Defense changed when morris and brick took over. I hope quinn bounces back and learns. Edited January 20 by red falcon Dukeduke211 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dukeduke211 663 Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 17 minutes ago, CTann said: Ulbrich and Morris were both miles better at calling defensive plays than DQ. It’s not questionable. DQ practically made zero in-game adjustments in the games he called plays. Morris and a Ulbrich would make in-game adjustments. I’d argue the defense wouldn’t have been too bad if not for those gaping holes at edge rusher, #2 CB, and S that all still exist as of this moment. They made adjustments and called better plays but we still are 4-12? I am a fan of both honestly but dont see how they get so much love when we were below 500. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red falcon 4,967 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just now, Dukeduke211 said: They made adjustments and called better plays but we still are 4-12? I am a fan of both honestly but dont see how they get so much love when we were below 500. Its not the entire picture though its a team sport. Defense improved offense was still trash up until the last couple of gms when the offensive philosophy cleary changed. Cant looks at the stats as black and white. autigerfan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dukeduke211 663 Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 6 minutes ago, insight said: They performed better than Quinn and did a respectable job. Quinn was an epic failure and tainted everyone he worked with. We don't know how Quinn would have performed the rest of the year, but we do know what RM and JU performed. It was lousy. Regardless if anyone saw improvement we still lost week in week out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thanat0s 5,195 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I don’t hate the first two, but I’m glad to see them gone. As for Quinn? I’ve been on this earth 52 years, and I waited nearly all of them to see us get that trophy. Quinn’s incompetence stole that from me, and that is unforgivable. slick0ne, PokerSteve, MoFalconsFan56 and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dukeduke211 663 Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 9 minutes ago, Day1 said: they won a total of 4 games all year, take that Dan quinn. shows you how much better they are than you. Exactly. Seems this is an emotional thing for some. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CTann 2,823 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Dukeduke211 said: They made adjustments and called better plays but we still are 4-12? I am a fan of both honestly but dont see how they get so much love when we were below 500. I’m not defending them as in, “Omg why aren’t they staying.” I was moreso saying they were better than the guy who was supposed to be a, “defensive guru.” Perhaps that’s why others are wondering why a new regime isn’t retaining them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CTann 2,823 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Day1 said: they won a total of 4 games all year, take that Dan quinn. shows you how much better they are than you. 1 hour ago, Dukeduke211 said: They made adjustments and called better plays but we still are 4-12? I am a fan of both honestly but dont see how they get so much love when we were below 500. In addition to my most recent post. Sorry, I realized I didn’t shift back to “FALCONS talk,” as I spent time yesterday speaking to one of my friends who lived in NJ and is a diehard Jets fan. He asked me about Ulbrich yesterday because both he and Kris Richard interviewed for the Jets DC position. I was telling him about Ulbrich and Morris being more effective with the same exact roster than DQ, and that Ulbrich handled 1st, 2nd, and obvious run downs while Morris handled 3rd and obvious passing downs. I was still stuck in that, “mode” about them when I made my original post here. My bad. 🙃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Blank 1,087 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, thanat0s said: I don’t hate the first two, but I’m glad to see them gone. As for Quinn? I’ve been on this earth 52 years, and I waited nearly all of them to see us get that trophy. Quinn’s incompetence stole that from me, and that is unforgivable. Indeed. People who say to get over it or move on haven't been a fan of this team for 48+years. 99.9% chance to win, still unbelievable.... thanat0s and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon app 127 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I liked them to the point I would have been happy with a HC Raheem and DC Ulbrich. You have to understand, no one hates DQ, but after the Super bowl, he couldn't do one thing right. Raheem may not have dazzled, but he was forthcoming about issues and held players accountable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
insight 1,920 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Dukeduke211 said: We don't know how Quinn would have performed the rest of the year, but we do know what RM and JU performed. It was lousy. Regardless if anyone saw improvement we still lost week in week out. I have to disagree, the defense looked completely lost under Quinn, it was embarrassing to watch. The defense made huge strides under Raheem and Ulbrich, Unfortunately we struggled on the offense side of the ball but I don't think you can blame them for that. athell 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mister pudding 3,285 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I think Ulbrich filled in quite well as defensive coordinator. I think he showed the league he has what it takes and landed some interviews as well as a result Quote Link to post Share on other sites
opensource001 1,109 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Quinn is one of the worst HCs ever. By simply not being him Ulbrich and Morris are better. I'm not saying they are or aren't good, but they are better than the source material. slick0ne, rounz and PokerSteve 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 7,452 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Day1 said: they won a total of 4 games all year, take that Dan quinn. shows you how much better they are than you. Quinn was 0-5, Morris went 4-7, math must not be your strong suit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFan13 1,626 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 What you mean they didn't do better? 1st 5 games with Quinn calling the defense Falcons defense - 446 YPG given up - Would have been dead last in nfl by 25+ yards Falcons PPG - 32.2 PPG give up - 31st in league with last only .2 points worse. Last 10 games besides the final game where no one was trying to win anything could see no one cared Falcons defense - 365 YPG given up - 19th in league not great but much much better by 80 ypg Falcons PPG - 20.9 PPG given up - 5th best in the league which is A HUGE IMPROVEMENT Thats an entire drive of plays and 2 scores of improvement once Quinn left thats not just a little but a fricken night and day improvement and even more impressive it's over a more sustained time of 10 games. Geaux_Falcons and AUTiger7222 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
papachaz 19,262 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 1/19/2021 at 9:14 PM, A Dog Named Brian said: Your really should quit while you’re ahead this evening wait, you mean he was actually ahead at one point? seems familiar around here, just can't quite put my finger on it..... opensource001, PokerSteve and A Dog Named Brian 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 7,664 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 5 hours ago, Dukeduke211 said: They made adjustments and called better plays but we still are 4-12? I am a fan of both honestly but ont see how they get so much love when we were below 500. The defense in games 1-5 allowed 32.2 PPG. The defense in games 6-16 allowed 23.0 PPG That seems like a pretty major difference IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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