Hard Case 216 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Notice I said THIS YEAR. We have more pressing needs. Our O Line is pathetically sub standard. They can neither open holes for the RB , nor keep Ryan upright. Poor Ryan has taken more hits than Joe Frazier. We will need at least a LG and maybe a Center, and a Swing Tackle. If we get a dynamic RB, he will be of little use on running plays if there are no holes to run through, which also negates play action. A three down RB with elusiveness and power , would go a long way to revitalizing this offense, but only with a strong O Line. Our Defensive pass rush , except for Grady has been an absolute joke for way too long. We need a couple of bad *** pass rushers to get in the opposing backfields on a regular basis, and we need a competent Corner and possibly a Safety. In addition we will need a "B' team to back up the Starters. All of these needs are much more critical than a rookie QB. I know many of you are being dazzled by Lamar Jackson, Mahomes and others, but they are the exceptions rather than the rule , Think of all the flash in the pan rookies who were College stars , but never made it in the NFL. That's a chance too expensive to take. I Know you call Ryan 'Noodle Arm" but you know that's not true. Matt can make every throw necessary in the NFL, he doesn't have the arm of a Brett Favre or a Lamar Jackson, and he is not a scrambler, but neither is Brees or Brady , and they have done pretty well in the NFL. Ryan is a fully capable , NFL franchise QB , who still has a good bit of tread on his tires, contrary to the guys who are lusting for a college QB. Any College QB will sit on the bench for at least two years, learning the ways of the NFL, learning to read NFL defenses etc. He will serve no useful purpose for those two years. This team is not in a full rebuild mode . We have All Pro players in Ryan , Julio, Ridley, Grady and a few others. With the right tweaks to the areas I have mentioned, and a new coaching staff we can be competitive quickly. A rookie QB would not contribute one iota to that. There will be plenty of flashy college QBs a couple of years from now. That will be the time to pick a successor to Ryan, not now. Hibachi 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dapanch420 495 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 if zach wilson lands on our laps we take him no questions asked. if not then i agree. Beast-N-Da-Sheetz, jetpac, Hokies&Falcons and 6 others 8 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 6,702 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I don’t think the line is that bad. Scheme change will help drastically, we don’t know what we really have in Hennesey or Gono, and we haven’t seen McGary in a competent scheme. I agree with no QB this year, or at least top of the draft. If we trade back and take one mid first or later I’ll be good. Francis York Morgan, JohnnyFranchise, Exp and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geneaut 6,855 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Rings said: I don’t think the line is that bad. Scheme change will help drastically, we don’t know what we really have in Hennesey or Gono, and we haven’t seen McGary in a competent scheme. I agree with no QB this year, or at least top of the draft. If we trade back and take one mid first or later I’ll be good. Gono is a FA. Just saying. Rings 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
celtiksage 1,958 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 12 minutes ago, dapanch420 said: if zach wilson lands on our laps we take him no questions asked. if not then i agree. Give me Mac Jones over Wilson. jetpac, JohnnyFranchise, Passprotection and 6 others 3 2 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killing Floor 878 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) In before the cussing! Matt Ryan has the 2nd longest time in pocket in the NFL averaging 2.6 seconds all season. Only Bake has more time at 2.7. Add to that Ryan’s very high quantity of air yards. And only 15 scrambles all season. He gets blitzed on 3rd down because any coach knows cover Ridley and Jones and blitz and Ryan grounds the ball. It’s a defensive no-brainer. So blame the right tackle. Ryan had all effin day because we have a good O line. There is simply no mathematical discussion here. Only reason Ryan gets sacked is he waits too long to make a decision. He has all day in football terms. But sure, wait all day and the pocket collapses so must be the guard’s fault. The complaint here on TATF is that league leading protection of pocket isn’t enough for Ryan to make better decisions under pressure. It’s the NFL. The QB is SUPPOSED to be under pressure. The WL depends on how they handle it. Maybe move his feet and we won’t be sitting here at 4-12 next year. Edited January 16 by Killing Floor Godzilla1985, RetroRoq, tbhawksfan and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WH dirtybird 17 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 12 minutes ago, Geneaut said: Gono is a FA. Just saying. I believe that Gono is a restricted free agent so if Smith wants him to be here then he stays. Francis York Morgan, federicofalcon2, hjerry and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Godzilla1985 6,658 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Stopped reading at “Our line is pathetically substandard”. Voice of Reason, Faithful Falcon, Ergo Proxy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Someday soon 195 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I could make an argument that we need to draft two QB's this year. Wait till the Falcons get nervous and trade up to secure one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetpac 336 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) WHY I don't care if you don't want to draft a QB this year. And why we should. The chances of us drafting this high again in the future is slim. You get the playmaking QB that is available to you at #4 now (Groom him) give Matt 2-3 more years and you have your future set. Edited January 16 by jetpac Mescalito, Tim Mazetti and XXVIII-III 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Someday soon 195 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Deshaun Watson's contract is very tradeable to either the Jets or the Dolphins. Both have two 1st rounders plus extra draft capital this year. This would push one of the three QB's to the Falcons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Case 216 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Rings said: I don’t think the line is that bad. Scheme change will help drastically, we don’t know what we really have in Hennesey or Gono, and we haven’t seen McGary in a competent scheme. I agree with no QB this year, or at least top of the draft. If we trade back and take one mid first or later I’ll be good. Yeah, trading back is a no brainer, We need all the choices we can get Rings, ATLyn and JohnnyFranchise 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GATXBOI 2,000 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 We can take one just not #4 overall JohnnyFranchise, ATLyn and Knight of God 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Case 216 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Killing Floor said: In before the cussing! Matt Ryan has the 2nd longest time in pocket in the NFL averaging 2.6 seconds all season. Only Bake has more time at 2.7. Add to that Ryan’s very high quantity of air yards. And only 15 scrambles all season. He gets blitzed on 3rd down because any coach knows cover Ridley and Jones and blitz and Ryan grounds the ball. It’s a defensive no-brainer. So blame the right tackle. Ryan had all effin day because we have a good O line. There is simply no mathematical discussion here. Only reason Ryan gets sacked is he waits too long to make a decision. He has all day in football terms. But sure, wait all day and the pocket collapses so must be the guard’s fault. The complaint here on TATF is that league leading protection of pocket isn’t enough for Ryan to make better decisions under pressure. It’s the NFL. The QB is SUPPOSED to be under pressure. The WL depends on how they handle it. Maybe move his feet and we won’t be sitting here at 4-12 next year. ummmm, 2.5 seconds is not, "All day" Receivers being open also might have a lot to do with it, Julio has been out most of the year, and Ridley has been hurt some. Look at all the time that Rodgers, Brady have , they stand back there and just look around, By that time Ryan in digging the dirt out od his face mask, Your mathematics are a bit twisted, and we DON'T have a good O line.. RookieBird and Flyin' In DC 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Case 216 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 57 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said: Stopped reading at “Our line is pathetically substandard”. Bad choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Case 216 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 47 minutes ago, Someday soon said: I could make an argument that we need to draft two QB's this year. Wait till the Falcons get nervous and trade up to secure one. Trade UP ????????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetpac 336 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Hard Case said: ummmm, 2.5 seconds is not, "All day" Receivers being open also might have a lot to do with it, Julio has been out most of the year, and Ridley has been hurt some. Look at all the time that Rodgers, Brady have , they stand back there and just look around, By that time Ryan in digging the dirt out od his face mask, Your mathematics are a bit twisted, and we DON'T have a good O line.. Average Time in the pocket... MATT HAS THE MOST. But yea its our OL... Killing Floor and Godzilla1985 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 22,476 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Killing Floor said: In before the cussing! Matt Ryan has the 2nd longest time in pocket in the NFL averaging 2.6 seconds all season. Only Bake has more time at 2.7. Add to that Ryan’s very high quantity of air yards. And only 15 scrambles all season. He gets blitzed on 3rd down because any coach knows cover Ridley and Jones and blitz and Ryan grounds the ball. It’s a defensive no-brainer. So blame the right tackle. Ryan had all effin day because we have a good O line. There is simply no mathematical discussion here. Only reason Ryan gets sacked is he waits too long to make a decision. He has all day in football terms. But sure, wait all day and the pocket collapses so must be the guard’s fault. The complaint here on TATF is that league leading protection of pocket isn’t enough for Ryan to make better decisions under pressure. It’s the NFL. The QB is SUPPOSED to be under pressure. The WL depends on how they handle it. Maybe move his feet and we won’t be sitting here at 4-12 next year. That’s not what the stat says, it says how long a QB took to get rid of the ball. Every one knows DK long developing plays. If you want Ryan gone, just say so. No need to twist the stats. Ergo Proxy, SkerFalcon8710, dodge_birds_fan and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killing Floor 878 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hard Case said: ummmm, 2.5 seconds is not, "All day" Receivers being open also might have a lot to do with it, Julio has been out most of the year, and Ridley has been hurt some. Look at all the time that Rodgers, Brady have , they stand back there and just look around, By that time Ryan in digging the dirt out od his face mask, Your mathematics are a bit twisted, and we DON'T have a good O line.. Fact is he has 2nd most time in NFL. Fact is he has top 5 pass yards. Fact is over 95% of snaps are pass plays. You can’t come at me with math that pins this on the O line. But you can tell me Ryan is never to blame for his performance. I already know that. Since it can’t be Ryan’s fault no matter what, are you saying Jones and Ridley can’t get open? Should we be looking for a WR? Really? Edited January 16 by Killing Floor jetpac 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 22,476 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Killing Floor said: Fact is he has 2nd most time in NFL. Fact is he has top 5 pass yards. Fact is over 95% of snaps are pass plays. You can’t come at me with math that pins this on the O line. But you can tell me Ryan is never to blame for his performance. I already know that. Fact is you don’t know what the stat means. Lol. dodge_birds_fan, PapaJoe, Voice of Reason and 3 others 3 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Case 216 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 52 minutes ago, Someday soon said: I could make an argument that we need to draft two QB's this year. Wait till the Falcons get nervous and trade up to secure one. Trade UP ????????? 4 minutes ago, jetpac said: Average Time in the pocket... MATT HAS THE MOST. But yea its our OL... Glad you agree, it IS mainly the O Line . LOL My eyes crossed trying to read those stats. Stats can be interpreted most any way, especially biased stats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Case 216 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Killing Floor said: Fact is he has 2nd most time in NFL. Fact is he has top 5 pass yards. Fact is over 95% of snaps are pass plays. You can’t come at me with math that pins this on the O line. But you can tell me Ryan is never to blame for his performance. I already know that. You are denying the obvious, our O line is not above average, and Mat is a top, level QB. Geneaut 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francis York Morgan 25,139 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 42 minutes ago, jetpac said: WHY I don't care if you don't want to draft a QB this year. And why we should. The chances of us drafting this high again in the future is slim. You get the playmaking QB that is available to you at #4 now (Groom him) give Matt 2-3 more years and you have your future set. If we aren't drafting that high in the future, we probably don't need a QB as badly as people think. And the best QBs in the NFL weren't taken in the top 5 regardless, ya gotta have the team around a rook. JohnnyFranchise, Ergo Proxy, Hard Case and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 22,476 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just now, Francis York Morgan said: If we aren't drafting that high in the future, we probably don't need a QB as badly as people think. And the best QBs in the NFL weren't taken in the top 5 regardless, ya gotta have the team around a rook. Right, Watson, Lamar and Mahomes were all Top 5? In fact top 5 in last few drafts were duds. Hard Case 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaJoe 3,219 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Killing Floor said: In before the cussing! Matt Ryan has the 2nd longest time in pocket in the NFL averaging 2.6 seconds all season. Only Bake has more time at 2.7. Add to that Ryan’s very high quantity of air yards. And only 15 scrambles all season. He gets blitzed on 3rd down because any coach knows cover Ridley and Jones and blitz and Ryan grounds the ball. It’s a defensive no-brainer. So blame the right tackle. Ryan had all effin day because we have a good O line. There is simply no mathematical discussion here. Only reason Ryan gets sacked is he waits too long to make a decision. He has all day in football terms. But sure, wait all day and the pocket collapses so must be the guard’s fault. The complaint here on TATF is that league leading protection of pocket isn’t enough for Ryan to make better decisions under pressure. It’s the NFL. The QB is SUPPOSED to be under pressure. The WL depends on how they handle it. Maybe move his feet and we won’t be sitting here at 4-12 next year. Ryan gets pressured and sacked because Koetter keeps running a scheme of 4 Verticals as the base. It takes forever to let those routes develop and with no viable run game most of the time the Defense just tees off down after down. The only person that is a bigger fool than Koetter is the clown that hired him, and the clown(s) that have not fired him!! federicofalcon2, Killing Floor and JohnnyFranchise 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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