stizz 5,670 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, JDaveG said: It took them literally all day yesterday to iron out the details for Urban Meyer to go to Jacksonville, and nobody else wanted him. Pessimism for its own sake is rarely a good thing. Meyer and JAX was speculated as soon as Marrone was fired. Meyer only had vague interest in one other job in the NFL and as soon as that was known JAX flew him in and hammered out the deal. That is not the same case with Smith. Gotta come with better examples. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Expert Poster 895 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, dodge_birds_fan said: That's my question, are they so run heavy because of Smith, or Vrabel? I think it's a combination of Vrabel and their personnel. When you have a RB like Henry and a so-so QB like Tannehill, running it often is simply playing to your strengths. Even so, Tannehill had BY FAR his two best years under Arthur Smith. Ergo Proxy, Francis York Morgan, Herr Doktor and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GATXBOI 2,008 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 18 minutes ago, 408Falcon said: Who do we go for #2? Wouldn't be mad at Brady. Just a kid. But I like that. Hackett first coach paired to Fontenot 408Falcon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodge_birds_fan 1,874 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, Expert Poster said: I think it's a combination of Vrabel and their personnel. When you have a RB like Henry and a so-so QB like Tannehill, running it often is simply playing to your strengths. Even so, Tannehill had BY FAR his two best years under Arthur Smith. That's a fair assessment Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 43,631 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, stizz said: Meyer and JAX was speculated as soon as Marrone was fired. Meyer only had vague interest in one other job in the NFL and as soon as that was known JAX flew him in and hammered out the deal. That is not the same case with Smith. Gotta come with better examples. Why is it a bad example? Literally nobody else wanted him, and it still took them all day yesterday to iron out the details. Why should the Falcons be expected to have this one done shortly before lunchtime, when by your own reasoning other teams are interested and he has other options? Do you think negotiating is easier when your options are limited? Herr Doktor and thanat0s 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 43,631 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, Expert Poster said: I think it's a combination of Vrabel and their personnel. When you have a RB like Henry and a so-so QB like Tannehill, running it often is simply playing to your strengths. Even so, Tannehill had BY FAR his two best years under Arthur Smith. It's also not as run-heavy as people think. It's almost 50/50. It was 51% pass last season. 49.72% passing this season: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct?date=2021-01-16 People think they run all the time because they don't pass all the time. dodge_birds_fan, PapaJoe and Herr Doktor 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francis York Morgan 25,603 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 12 minutes ago, dodge_birds_fan said: That's my question, are they so run heavy because of Smith, or Vrabel? If it helps, look at the difference in playcalling for LaFleur while he was there vs in Green Bay. JDaveG and dodge_birds_fan 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stizz 5,670 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, JDaveG said: Why is it a bad example? Literally nobody else wanted him, and it still took them all day yesterday to iron out the details. Why should the Falcons be expected to have this one done shortly before lunchtime, when by your own reasoning other teams are interested and he has other options? Do you think negotiating is easier when your options are limited? I don't think you're understanding. Meyer had been speculated to the Jags as soon as they fired Marrone. Meyer was also rumored with the Chargers as of two days ago. After that rumor, JAX secured the deal. They could have made the hire days ago before he spoke with LA. Furthermore, their staff was vague about interest. There had not been a leak about an offer being made, just that the two had come to an agreement. There was a report yesterday all day that the Jags were FINALIZING a deal with Meyer. That is very much different from us OFFERING a deal and it leaking. See how the words are different? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 43,631 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Francis York Morgan said: If it helps, look at the difference in playcalling for LaFleur while he was there vs in Green Bay. 51% pass percentage when LaFleur was in Tennessee in 2018. 55% in Green Bay this season. 59% last season. Francis York Morgan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JetJones11 581 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, A-TowN.- said: Can we trade you this off-season? Pretty terrible. Ppl mad at me for pointing out the obvious ... we were 4-12 who is the highest paid player on our team ? He deserves at least 50% of the blame for the losses defense this defense that ... you know we’re allowed to score too right ? Matt Ryan made Koo from a bust to a pro bowler Passprotection and JDaveG 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wjcorner 3,850 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 hours ago, fuego said: I'd like to see stats on running vs passing in the red zone stats. If more running, then that's due to Henry, and we don't have a Henry. And if Henry can be shut down like the Ravens did, then our O doesn't stand a chance without a Henry. The assumption would be his balanced approach would help highlight our passing game that’s been on the fritz lately, and teams wouldn’t be able to key in on our, hopefully, upgraded RB. I think this confirms we aren’t going QB in the draft. I’m mildly excited. We let Ryan manage games more instead of trying to win them, maybe extend on a more cap friendly deal and spread out the hits, maybe we can build something for his farewell tour. JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 43,631 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Falcons were 62% pass this season, when we were told we would be emphasizing the run (and when we blew an historic number of 4th quarter leads). Almost 67% last season. papachaz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesus 26,595 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, JetJones11 said: Ppl mad at me for pointing out the obvious ... we were 4-12 who is the highest paid player on our team ? He deserves at least 50% of the blame for the losses defense this defense that ... you know we’re allowed to score too right ? Matt Ryan made Koo from a bust to a pro bowler 31 other teams. papachaz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 43,631 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, stizz said: I don't think you're understanding. Meyer had been speculated to the Jags as soon as they fired Marrone. Meyer was also rumored with the Chargers as of two days ago. After that rumor, JAX secured the deal. They could have made the hire days ago before he spoke with LA. Furthermore, their staff was vague about interest. There had not been a leak about an offer being made, just that the two had come to an agreement. There was a report yesterday all day that the Jags were FINALIZING a deal with Meyer. That is very much different from us OFFERING a deal and it leaking. See how the words are different? It. Took. All. Day. Long. Give the Falcons some time boss. Geneaut 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Expert Poster 895 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, JDaveG said: It's also not as run-heavy as people think. It's almost 50/50. It was 51% pass last season. 49.72% passing this season: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct?date=2021-01-16 People think they run all the time because they don't pass all the time. Yeah, true. They're balanced, but run it more than most teams in today's NFL. Like Shanahan, I don't think he's going to be intent on forcing a certain run/pass ratio--he'll maximize the personnel he has and keep the defense off balance, whether that means 70/30 or 50/50. JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stizz 5,670 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Wjcorner said: The assumption would be his balanced approach would help highlight our passing game that’s been on the fritz lately, and teams wouldn’t be able to key in on our, hopefully, upgraded RB. I think this confirms we aren’t going QB in the draft. I’m mildly excited. We let Ryan manage games more instead of trying to win them, maybe extend on a more cap friendly deal and spread out the hits, maybe we can build something for his farewell tour. I don't understand why people think a new regime is not going to want to bring in their own guy, especially if Fields is there at 4, after watching games last year where it was clear Ryan's arm is becoming problematic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stizz 5,670 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, JDaveG said: It. Took. All. Day. Long. Give the Falcons some time boss. I'm just saying there is a difference in a team making an offer and one finalizing an offer my guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ROMERO 3,876 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, JetJones11 said: Ppl mad at me for pointing out the obvious ... we were 4-12 who is the highest paid player on our team ? He deserves at least 50% of the blame for the losses defense this defense that ... you know we’re allowed to score too right ? Matt Ryan made Koo from a bust to a pro bowler 🤡 thanat0s, papachaz, JDaveG and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesus 26,595 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 The jags don't look like a place any sane person wants to coach. They dismantled a team that went to the AFC championship 3 years ago. They built up a huge cap deficit the they have no intention of spending. Despite their draft position the last few years have not improved. It's hard to believe they could get worse with Meyer but this team does not seem to have any interest in being a competitive franchise. JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 43,631 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, stizz said: I'm just saying there is a difference in a team making an offer and one finalizing an offer my guy. And I'm saying it takes time to finalize an offer. Your first post on the topic was this one: 36 minutes ago, stizz said: It has been hours now. Sounds like this is way more than "ironing out the details." I wonder if he is really mulling over that Philly job. If he does pass, this is going to look very bad on Blank and co. when they attempt to come crawling back to other candidates. Blank needs to completely wipe out McKay and associates if it does come to this embarrassment. It's been HOURS! I mean, HOURS! Heavens to Betsy! falcons007, papachaz, thanat0s and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jidady 10,408 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 10 minutes ago, JetJones11 said: Matt Ryan made Koo from a bust to a pro bowler and now you're calling an undrafted player a bust. This is some effortless stupid! I'm really impressed! HASHBROWN3 and papachaz 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,516 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, stizz said: I'm just saying there is a difference in a team making an offer and one finalizing an offer my guy. I want it now!! JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stizz 5,670 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, JDaveG said: And I'm saying it takes time to finalize an offer. Your first post on the topic was this one: It's been HOURS! I mean, HOURS! Heavens to Betsy! This isn't an engineering position where you can just sit around with an offer in your email and sit on it. Yes, it has only been hours but now it is highlighted because someone did the franchise a disservice and leaked it. It's in the media and online. You don't think Blank is getting antsy? You are taking into account that Smith has indeed agreed and that just isn't the case. I'm not against the hire in any means, but all I'm saying is the circumstances put the Falcons in a predicament if he declines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 43,631 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, falcons007 said: I want it now!! papachaz and dodge_birds_fan 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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