KCFalcon22 782 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 HELP sell me on Smith. I feel as though if you take Henry away, his offense becomes mute (and we don't have a Derrick Henry). We all watched as Baltimore shut down Henry and they had to lean on the passing game and ended up with 158 yards (I believe). I guess I should be more interested in who would be calling the plays Smith or someone else. For anyone that likes him as our next HC, who does he have in mind as an OC. apl2g 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ergo Proxy 25,256 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) You could do this with any hot coaching candidate that has production this past year. "Take away their best" It's more about do they tailor their offense to their personnel? Ryan Tannehill was who again before Smith? Even Henry got way more productive once Smith became the OC. We have a better QB and weapons situation and have performed in a similar offense. He doesn't have to bring Henry; to your point, but he "should" bring a run game and improve the OL/RB room. (players added to both for scheme, especially RB) Seahawks got shut down by the Rams #1 Defense. Let's see how they matchup vs the Packers. That's the game I want to see, more than Bucs/Saints. Also, Baltimore was the #2 defense. Falcons with a run game + our weapons and QB? Arthur overachieved with RT. Edited January 14 by Ergo Proxy Francis York Morgan, Sidecar Falcon, KCFalcon22 and 9 others 11 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RYNE 5,885 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 If you’re giving me Arthur Smith you dam well better be giving me Najee Harris to go along with him. Trade back up into the first could accomplish this task KCFalcon22, Falcons Fan MVP, papachaz and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KCFalcon22 782 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Ergo Proxy said: You could do this with any hot coaching candidate that has production this past year. "Take away their best" It's more about do they tailor their offense to their personnel? Ryan Tannehill was who again before Smith? Even Henry got way more productive once Smith became the OC. We have a better QB and weapons situation and have performed in a similar offense. He doesn't have to bring Henry; to your point, but he "should" bring a run game and improve the OL/RB room. (players added to both for scheme, especially RB) This is the stuff I'm looking to see. Great understanding. I do wonder who he has in mind for an OC or if he will call the plays. Ergo Proxy and Herr Doktor 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 64,092 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Ergo Proxy said: You could do this with any hot coaching candidate that has production this past year. "Take away their best" It's more about do they tailor their offense to their personnel? Ryan Tannehill was who again before Smith? Even Henry got way more productive once Smith became the OC. We have a better QB and weapons situation and have performed in a similar offense. He doesn't have to bring Henry; to your point, but he "should" bring a run game and improve the OL/RB room. (players added to both for scheme, especially RB) Adding to the bolder, we cannot continue judging these guys off of one got forsaken game Ergo Proxy, Godzilla1985, RedandBlack4ever and 4 others 2 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GATXBOI 1,916 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 6 minutes ago, KCFalcon22 said: HELP sell me on Smith. I feel as though if you take Henry away, his offense becomes mute (and we don't have a Derrick Henry). We all watched as Baltimore shut down Henry and they had to lean on the passing game and ended up with 158 yards (I believe). I guess I should be more interested in who would be calling the plays Smith or someone else. For anyone that likes him as our next HC, who does he have in mind as an OC. Smith is liked because he worked on both sides of the field. He is old school understand the run game when one is present. He is perfect for Tennessee. I feel like the blueprint is out to halt his offense. You can't say that about Brady or Hackett. Both are known for making wonders out of something not great. (LSU & Jacksonville). Plus both had offensive coaches ahead of them. Edited January 14 by GATXBOI DriveHomeSafelyAtlantaWins, runshoot, Herr Doktor and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KCFalcon22 782 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 Just now, RYNE said: If you’re giving me Arthur Smith you dam well better be giving me Najee Harris to go along with him. Trade back up into the first could accomplish this task If we don't take a QB, i'm hoping we use that draft capital to get back into the 1st for him. Or trade back and select him. RYNE 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ergo Proxy 25,256 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, ya_boi_j said: Adding to the bolder, we cannot continue judging these guys off of one got forsaken game Or even one roster to another. OR who their playcaller will be etc. It's way more nuanced than the face value stuff. I added more to my post as well. KCFalcon22 and ya_boi_j 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,354 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, RYNE said: If you’re giving me Arthur Smith you dam well better be giving me Najee Harris to go along with him. Trade back up into the first could accomplish this task Najee isnt the only good rb in this draft....I'd love to have him but I'm not trading up for him. etherdome, Ergo Proxy, runshoot and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KCFalcon22 782 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said: Adding to the bolder, we cannot continue judging these guys off of one got forsaken game You are correct, I need to go back and look at the Colts and Packers game to look at numbers. But yeah thats an unfair judgement of 1 game. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CMarinoNFL 208 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said: You could do this with any hot coaching candidate that has production this past year. "Take away their best" Injuries took away Saleh's best and he still outperformed 26 other teams in DVOA KCFalcon22 and Ergo Proxy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ike barn87987 1,603 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 JohnnyFranchise and GATXBOI 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconofShadows 1,178 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, KCFalcon22 said: HELP sell me on Smith. I feel as though if you take Henry away, his offense becomes mute (and we don't have a Derrick Henry). We all watched as Baltimore shut down Henry and they had to lean on the passing game and ended up with 158 yards (I believe). I guess I should be more interested in who would be calling the plays Smith or someone else. For anyone that likes him as our next HC, who does he have in mind as an OC. All OCs and their offense have bad days. Look at what the Falcons D against the Chiefs KCFalcon22 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GATXBOI 1,916 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, ike barn87987 said: Exactly something ATL been going through since 2008 KCFalcon22 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,354 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, ike barn87987 said: This. Havent we learned this lesson already with shanny? Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KCFalcon22 782 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 Just now, FalconofShadows said: All OCs and their offense have bad days. Look at what the Falcons D against the Chiefs I agree we also can thank Bob Sutton, but I feel like our D played a really good game too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RYNE 5,885 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Najee isnt the only good rb in this draft....I'd love to have him but I'm not trading up for him. Well you can have the diet Coke’s I’ll take the regular then. KCFalcon22 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 64,092 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, KCFalcon22 said: You are correct, I need to go back and look at the Colts and Packers game to look at numbers. But yeah thats an unfair judgement of 1 game. It’s essentially equivalent to judging the Chiefs offense vs the Falcons defense a few weeks back and saying EB wasn’t that great. as I’ve been saying over and over, every single current head coach, even super bowl winning head coaches, and every single candidate has had bad days. It happens. That’s why teams have film sessions. If you think you’re going to get a perfect candidate in any potential candidate, you’re mistaken KCFalcon22 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,354 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, RYNE said: Well you can have the diet Coke’s I’ll take the regular then. Well I'll continue to build my line with that draft capital that way we can put a big fizz soda back there and still have success. Horses before cart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ergo Proxy 25,256 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, CMarinoNFL said: Injuries took away Saleh's best and he still outperformed 26 other teams in DVOA I lost access to FOs info since they require subscription now...but that's impressive. Saleh is high on my list of defensive side guys for sure. I know less about him tho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonOfThemBirds 17,397 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 11 minutes ago, ike barn87987 said: But that's also why it's important to have a good HC. Just like how you have to replace players, you have to replace coordinators and positional/assistant coaches. Belichick for the most part thrived with changes from Charlie Weiss to Josh McDaniels to Bill O'Brien offensively. Look at the Ravens defensively over the years without having a defensive HC. Good HC's find suitable coaching staff replacements and keep it moving. Ergo Proxy, KCFalcon22 and Kaptain Krazy 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewsFrancisBart 927 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Posted this in another thread: Arthur Smith's offense is very similar to Shanahan's, and he sets up defenses in much the same way Kyle does. He uses pre-snap motion to give the QB easy reads, runs majority outside zone run scheme, uses play-action bootlegs off of run looks, uses multiple TE sets, and keeps the FB in the check-down game plan. Every play looks the same whether run or pass. Smith's offense is much closer to the offense that Matt won an MVP running than anything we've run in the past couple of years. Don't assume that because Henry is a HOSS, Smith must be running some archaic "3 yards and a cloud of dust" Woody Hayes scheme. Henry is a stud, but Smith isn't going to require a gigantic freak like him to succeed running the ball. Our very similar offense in 2016 made Freeman and Coleman the best two-back combo in the league. FalconDawg28, Francis York Morgan, Ergo Proxy and 5 others 3 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 19,978 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I will take Smith who has done more than Joe Brady in the NFL. This team needs a run game and a solid defense. Get Smith and his balanced approach to go with a good DC. Hard2BaBirdWachr, Ergo Proxy, KCFalcon22 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KCFalcon22 782 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, AndrewsFrancisBart said: Posted this in another thread: Arthur Smith's offense is very similar to Shanahan's, and he sets up defenses in much the same way Kyle does. He uses pre-snap motion to give the QB easy reads, runs majority outside zone run scheme, uses play-action bootlegs off of run looks, uses multiple TE sets, and keeps the FB in the check-down game plan. Every play looks the same whether run or pass. Smith's offense is much closer to the offense that Matt won an MVP running than anything we've run in the past couple of years. Don't assume that because Henry is a HOSS, Smith must be running some archaic "3 yards and a cloud of dust" Woody Hayes scheme. Henry is a stud, but Smith isn't going to require a gigantic freak like him to succeed running the ball. Our very similar offense in 2016 made Freeman and Coleman the best two-back combo in the league. I would love that, but who would he bring in as OC, or is he going to call the plays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ergo Proxy 25,256 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, KCFalcon22 said: I would love that, but who would he bring in as OC, or is he going to call the plays. idt anyone can answer that as of today but maybe some have guesses on who he could pull with him from TEN. HE may not even "know" who calls plays yet but that may be overrated atm. AndrewsFrancisBart and KCFalcon22 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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