FalconsIn2012 35,302 Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 31 minutes ago, JDaveG said: Yeah, I could have worded that better. It can certainly be done this year. I disagree it frees up a ton of cap for next year though. The only way it works this season at all is post June 1 and doing that, the 2nd half of the pro-rated bonus still hits the cap next season. Trading Ryan this year with a 6/1 designation (Id wait another year unless a 1st & 3rd is offered) would result in 17 mill dead money while opening up 23 mill in cap space Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 41,723 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, FalconsIn2012 said: Trading Ryan this year with a 6/1 designation (Id wait another year unless a 1st & 3rd is offered) would result in 17 mill dead money while opening up 23 mill in cap space Yes. But next year the pro-rated bonus hits again in that scenario. You split it over 2 years, which is the point of a post June 1 cut/trade. FalconsIn2012 and wuskillzz 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetpac 276 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Much worse QBs have went for much more. Sam Bradfords corpse went for a 1st and a 4th. A much younger Sam Bradford. Nobody is forfeiting a 1st rounder for a 37 QB that only these fans think is elite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hjerry 25,815 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, jetpac said: A much younger Sam Bradford. Nobody is forfeiting a 1st rounder for a 37 QB that only these fans think is elite lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ians0280 231 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The ONLY reason id be happy to see ryan go to s.f. or n.e would be getting to watch him win his Superbowl.other than that i want him here.he isn't as easily replaced like some other positions. Jumpin Jehosaphat 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 6,055 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, jetpac said: A much younger Sam Bradford. Nobody is forfeiting a 1st rounder for a 37 QB that only these fans think is elite Sanu and Hurst, who were both third on the depth chart of their respective positions, got a second rounder last season. I get you hate Ryan and want to complain about him any chance you get, but at least try and show some intelligence when doing so. Jumpin Jehosaphat, Googlywoogly, FalconsIn2012 and 3 others 4 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 41,723 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, jetpac said: A much younger Sam Bradford. Nobody is forfeiting a 1st rounder for a 37 QB that only these fans think is elite All the haters add a year to his age every time we talk about him. Ryan is 35. He'll have just turned 36 when the season starts next year. He'll still be 35 for OTAs. He isn't old man effing river. Atl Falcon, Ergo Proxy and Peteshweddy 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetpac 276 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, Rings said: Sanu and Hurst, who were both third on the depth chart of their respective positions, got a second rounder last season. I get you hate Ryan and want to complain about him any chance you get, but at least try and show some intelligence when doing so. I don’t hate Matt. I hate we are hanging on to a non play making statue QB. Times have changed. Macknsweetjones and JDaveG 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,491 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, jetpac said: I don’t hate Matt. I hate we are hanging on to a non play making statue QB. Times have changed. 3 out of the 4 NFC QB's remaining are 'non play making statue QBs' How much have the times really changed? Skin doc, JohnnyFranchise, Rings and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faithful Falcon 7,897 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 32 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said: Trading Ryan this year with a 6/1 designation (Id wait another year unless a 1st & 3rd is offered) would result in 17 mill dead money while opening up 23 mill in cap space I mean, that makes it more attractive. The other team will only be responsible for his base. While I would love a first and a third, I could deal with the others. FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ROMERO 3,603 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 23 minutes ago, jetpac said: I don’t hate Matt. I hate we are hanging on to a non play making statue QB. Times have changed. Ryan isnt the problem Jumpin Jehosaphat, Peteshweddy and Ergo Proxy 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faithful Falcon 7,897 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 18 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: 3 out of the 4 NFC QB's remaining are 'non play making statue QBs' How much have the times really changed? I think people are just discussing this wrong. The NFL, which isn't very Falcon Friendly, forced us into this massive contract with Ryan. He's still very productive, but we don't have any wiggle room. Killing Floor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killing Floor 722 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Look, he's not going anywhere. Nobody in the league is going to pay him what he's making to stay here. And the Falcons aren't going to give him up for what he's really worth today in the league. He can still make status quo here for another season or 2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,491 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Killing Floor said: Look, he's not going anywhere. Nobody in the league is going to pay him what he's making to stay here. And the Falcons aren't going to give him up for what he's really worth today in the league. He can still make status quo here for another season or 2. They wouldn't have to. I don't know how many times it has to be said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killing Floor 722 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 24 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: 3 out of the 4 NFC QB's remaining are 'non play making statue QBs' How much have the times really changed? The thing about Brees is you also have to account for Hill. I'd agree Brees and Brady aren't particularly mobile but with the Aints calling up a rushing QB for the short 3rds sometimes that's an option most teams don't have. Isn't there any way they can both lose? That would add years to my life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,491 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, Killing Floor said: The thing about Brees is you also have to account for Hill. I'd agree Brees and Brady aren't particularly mobile but with the Aints calling up a rushing QB for the short 3rds sometimes that's an option most teams don't have. Isn't there any way they can both lose? That would add years to my life. That's a good point. When will more teams start doing this? Maybe we should draft a mobile guy in the middle rounds for just such a purpose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killing Floor 722 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: They wouldn't have to. I don't know how many times it has to be said. OK, phrased wrong, got me. I mean the dead money haunts. If we traded Ryan we would not benefit right now. We'd be underwater without a QB. That's why it makes more sense to me to draft his replacement if we can, for the future. There's no valid reason to entertain it that I can calculate. Is that wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killing Floor 722 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: That's a good point. When will more teams start doing this? Maybe we should draft a mobile guy in the middle rounds for just such a purpose. Is it looked down on? It's even rare in college ball, U Texas ran a 2 QB system a few years ago, the "18 Wheeler Package" with Tyrone Swoops closing short gains. The advantage is that it's hard for the D to adjust. You got up to 110 (?) guys on a D1 squad and you can't snap to some fullback once in a while? It makes a ton of sense. Granted T Hill is an anomaly. I Ain't for the Aints! But that dude is a utility knife. But seems like more teams could pick up on that. Honestly where we could use some help in the tight game. Todd Gurley could do it, kidding! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpin Jehosaphat 322 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, itsryanwonder said: Sounds good to me. Anything to get his *** out of here. Pray tell...who do we have to trade to get YOUR *** out of here? We all celebrated your announcement to leave back in 2015, but here you still are, stinking up TATF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 13,491 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 14 minutes ago, Killing Floor said: OK, phrased wrong, got me. I mean the dead money haunts. If we traded Ryan we would not benefit right now. We'd be underwater without a QB. That's why it makes more sense to me to draft his replacement if we can, for the future. There's no valid reason to entertain it that I can calculate. Is that wrong? Any trade Ryan discussion, at least coming from me, is under the assumption that we are landing a qb at 4. I'm not crazy lol Killing Floor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpin Jehosaphat 322 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, RING OF HONOR said: Of course...they are just reports...but also said Shanny is getting frustrated... So Shanny is getting frustrated, huh? Poor baby...that is absolutely delightful...I hope he gets so frustrated that he starts bleeding out of every orifice in his body - he deserves to be more than frustrated after screwing us royally in the SB. In my book, he’s in the same category as James Stone’s boyfriend Goober Pyle, Skin doc, RING OF HONOR and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconfanEST1989 1,923 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Much worse QBs have went for much more. Sam Bradfords corpse went for a 1st and a 4th. Just because that happened doesn't mean it was a good teade... mean whoever mad that trade was a dumbarse...lol... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CraigSmackDaddy 1,944 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, JDaveG said: All the haters add a year to his age every time we talk about him. Ryan is 35. He'll have just turned 36 when the season starts next year. He'll still be 35 for OTAs. He isn't old man effing river. Was scrolling to see if anyone would point this out lol. Lot of false information in this thread. If the Falcons trade Matt and eat a bunch of dead cap it will be the dumbest thing they’ve ever done and that’s saying a lot. Ergo Proxy and JDaveG 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 41,723 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, Jumpin Jehosaphat said: So Shanny is getting frustrated, huh? Poor baby...that is absolutely delightful...I hope he gets so frustrated that he starts bleeding out of every orifice in his body - he deserves to be more than frustrated after screwing us royally in the SB. In my book, he’s in the same category as James Stone’s boyfriend Real talk -- I'd hire him tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malachore 9,101 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, celtiksage said: Dwindling arm? Where do you guys get this stuff? I watched him throw 55 yards in the air this year (at least twice in the last 3 or 4 games). Accuracy and decision-making I could agree with, but arm strength? Come on, man. Let's not reach. His decision-making is what is baffling. But as bad as we've sucked, maybe he wouldn't be doing that if we had a defense that didn't require a 5 score lead in the last 2 quarters to preserve a win. The guy had to hit low flying birds on his deep balls, it's why so many are broken up. I can throw a ball 50 yards but it's a duck. RING OF HONOR 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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