kenn.junior 786 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 51 minutes ago, GATXBOI said: Yes or switch to a 3-4 we already have plenty of pieces. Front 3 Davidson Grady Bailey if brought back LB core Fowler Debo Foye Walker (Neal) olb only reason to resign Secondary Terrell draft cb#2 draft fs Hawkins as SS this brings me back when mike smith wanted to be a 3-4 but it never worked ahh the good days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenn.junior 786 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 29 minutes ago, Romfal said: we're about 4-5 players away unfortunately. both starting DE's, both starting Safeties, 2nd Corner are not on the roster IMO. i see why people dont want to draft a QB because they believe thats a waste of a pick that could eliminate one of the players that we need to fix on the defense. But then I understand why people want to get our QB of the future so then we dont have to focus on it later and then fix our defense after round 1 or 2 and next year. I get both sides and Im not complaining about either side, we shouldnt be at each other throats because each side wants what they want we should just see what we do and believe it will get done with this new staff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red falcon 4,762 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, 408Falcon said: Boy those Joe Whitt Jr. hype folks went real silent this year. Before the start of the season you'd have thought he was the second coming of Christ around here. The secondary outside of rico played decent after quinn left. If grady jarret is your best and only pass rush you wont get much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red falcon 4,762 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: He did a pretty good job with AJ Terrell at least. Oliver improved also once moving inside. RetroRoq 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Great American 4,525 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, ADAMSVILLE GYM said: Talent is there. It doesn't matter if you don't see it or agree. Let's fight! If the talent was there then Dimitoff would still have a job. Our defense is the result of too many bad drafts. Okay, that's just my opinion and there's no need to meet at the Waffle house. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ADAMSVILLE GYM 5,009 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 29 minutes ago, The Great American said: If the talent was there then Dimitoff would still have a job. Our defense is the result of too many bad drafts. Okay, that's just my opinion and there's no need to meet at the Waffle house. At least you know where to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDirtyWordII 3,394 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I think it has a lot to do with elevating the one of the worst players we have starting on defense to a leadership role. Vandy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
octoslash 18,182 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: I'm kind of glad Tom Brady brought us back down to earth. We need a solid defensive draft and off-season I get you, but I'm sure as f--- not glad he did. I want to at least say we beat that m-f'r ONE TIME in my rapidly evaporating life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Libid21 209 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, ADAMSVILLE GYM said: Coaching and culture. Talent is there. A little bit of both, I'd imagine. This defense is not as talented as you would think. Especially the secondary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romfal 11,525 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, kenn.junior said: i see why people dont want to draft a QB because they believe thats a waste of a pick that could eliminate one of the players that we need to fix on the defense. But then I understand why people want to get our QB of the future so then we dont have to focus on it later and then fix our defense after round 1 or 2 and next year. I get both sides and Im not complaining about either side, we shouldnt be at each other throats because each side wants what they want we should just see what we do and believe it will get done with this new staff. to add to this I do see the QB options available for the future in this draft. I unfortunately don't really see all the pieces on defense that would make us relevant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 39,441 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: Is it lack of talent? Or is it the coaching? It really wasn’t near as bad as you (apparently) think it was. Offense was the much bigger disappointment. red falcon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killing Floor 889 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I think we had some really nice fellas hanging out in the deep and every QB we faced realized all you need to beat us is lob the ball over the linebackers and there's 3-4 open guys 100% of the time. Not sure if it takes time for Whitt to learn our secondary / pass defense or if he's just got the guys that were given to him. He did pretty well at Cleveland. I think Morris was cool with letting it slide for a while and hopefully Joe Whitt can ask for some guys to step up. And if they don't step up you bench them. My thinking is you give a player a chance and expect that nobody is perfect but you try to get better every game. If you're squad is 30th in anything you're not really planning to go to the playoffs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GATXBOI 2,003 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, kenn.junior said: this brings me back when mike smith wanted to be a 3-4 but it never worked ahh the good days Why wouldn't it work every player in our front seven has 3-4 experience Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenn.junior 786 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, GATXBOI said: Why wouldn't it work every player in our front seven has 3-4 experience i think its cuz they were never fully committed and keep switching to 3-4 and 4-3 it was weird plus we didnt have the LBers to run they all were horrible in coverage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GATXBOI 2,003 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 23 minutes ago, kenn.junior said: i think its cuz they were never fully committed and keep switching to 3-4 and 4-3 it was weird plus we didnt have the LBers to run they all were horrible in coverage But these lbs aren't horrible in zone and all have thrived in a 3-4 the only odd ball may be foye but I think he can play inside with Debo put Walker and Fowler on the outside but if we cut Fowler then go get Parsons. Marlon and Bailey can play ends Grady play Nose Tackle and please don't say he can't play Nose. He is highly capable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4dabirds 3,708 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 IMO it is mostly coaching that is to blame. For three years in a row it took the defense half a season (or more) to start looking competitive. Looking unprepared, and unable to grasp what worked well at the end of previous season tells me that this team needs better coaching and quality control. The defense can't get turnovers, and is way to easy to convert 3rd and long situations on. Also, there are too many holes on the defense at edge and corner. There are playmakers, but we could use a few more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fernando C. 1,049 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 We can start by fixing the back end.. we got AJ, Oliver.. wish we can have Surtain in the draft... bring Keke back... draft a FS or get one in FA. Our LB core is solid... on the DL we have just 5 players.. Jarett, Fowler, Mariner, Davison and Comisky.. So yes we lack talent.. but we can turn around this in 2 drafts... Also a running game will help wonders ... but this draft should be to fix the back end... and next year the DL... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFan13 1,594 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 hours ago, Summerhill said: Coaching: They got killed in the Quinn games. Falcons finished the season allowing an average of 398 yards per game. In the 5 Quinn games, they allowed 470 yards per game. I don't feel like adding up the numbers Morris/Ulbrich had, but it would have been a good bit less than 398 and pretty middle of the pack so they probably had the unit playing to what their capabilities were. Talent: Everyone knows what the limitations were there. Just did the numbers for Quinn and for the rest of the 11 games in total ypg to see the difference. For Quinn we allowed 446 YPG over 5 games For Morris it was 376 YPG over 11 games Both of those numbers would have been good for Quinn #32 dead last by 20+ YPG Morris would have finished 22nd in YPG Also not very great but better than Quinn by a long shot. As for PPG they finished Quinn was 32.3 PPG good for #31 in the league can't believe someone was worse XD Morris was 23 PPG good for 13th and that is a huge improvement no doubt. I'll even go as far to say outside of that last game of the year against the Bucs where i don't think we were really caring anymore much. We were #5 in PPG at 20.9 on defense over the other 10 games and thats amazing and an awesome turn around by our defense. Summerhill 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lornoth 12,047 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 7 hours ago, Vandy said: It really wasn’t near as bad as you (apparently) think it was. Offense was the much bigger disappointment. Our offense was more disappointing because we have the personnel to be better there, but our defense is really bad. Don't let the Vikes and Raiders imploding fool you. We still got demolished through the air. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Realsurfin 1,142 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 13 hours ago, ADAMSVILLE GYM said: Coaching and culture. Talent is there. If the talent was there we would have been 8-8... 9-7. Even 7-9. 4-12 that took amazing talent....NOT! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenn.junior 786 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 9 hours ago, GATXBOI said: But these lbs aren't horrible in zone and all have thrived in a 3-4 the only odd ball may be foye but I think he can play inside with Debo put Walker and Fowler on the outside but if we cut Fowler then go get Parsons. Marlon and Bailey can play ends Grady play Nose Tackle and please don't say he can't play Nose. He is highly capable. yea this defense is way better suited to run it then back then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ADAMSVILLE GYM 5,009 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Realsurfin said: If the talent was there we would have been 8-8... 9-7. Even 7-9. 4-12 that took amazing talent....NOT! Every single player in the NFL has talent. Not just any talent either. Supreme talent!! Otherwise, they wouldn’t be able to wear the uniform and play on Sunday. I’m just getting started. LETS FIGHT!!!! Edited January 6 by ADAMSVILLE GYM FIGHT ME!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 39,441 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 5 hours ago, Lornoth said: Our offense was more disappointing because we have the personnel to be better there, but our defense is really bad. Don't let the Vikes and Raiders imploding fool you. We still got demolished through the air. That’s true, but it’s also true that the rules have made it so the league as a whole is bad defensively through the air. We actually ended year 14th overall in defensive DVOA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Doktor 6,390 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 To sum it up, poor defensive chemistry, planning, coaching, player assessment, poor drafting, unable to generate consistent pressure, unable to lock down the secondary, injuries, scheme, and a cultural history of poor defensive play that is endemic and engrained in the very fabric of Falcon identity. ADAMSVILLE GYM 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ADAMSVILLE GYM 5,009 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, Herr Doktor said: To sum it up, poor defensive chemistry, planning, coaching, player assessment, poor drafting, unable to generate consistent pressure, unable to lock down the secondary, injuries, scheme, and a cultural history of poor defensive play that is endemic and engrained in the very fabric of Falcon identity. Herr Doktor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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