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Blank hit on it time and time again about building a franchise that is a consistent winner. Well, this all comes back to front office structure. PERIOD. So OBVIOUSLY the front office you have now will not get you a consistent winner since all your current front office has brought you is consistent MEDIOCRACY.  You gotta get a SEASONED NFL Exec from a WINNING organization that can come in and rebuild your SCOUTING department AND  hire you a winning coach. McKay, Emery, and Webster clearly cant get it done. Brandon Hunt from Pittsburg, Joe Hortiz from Baltimore, Ed Dodds from Baltimore, or Terry Fontenot from New Orleans and NONE of these guys are going to come work for Falcons UNDERNEATH people like McKay, Emery, or Webster. So I guess you gotta make some decisions dont you big boy? You wanna be a winner or keep your friends employed in the current Falcons structure. Wont work both ways.  Notice how all the GM candidates McKay, Emery, and Webster have brought in are really green. We did this with TD, and all this is doing is building a layer around McKay, Emery, and Webster for job security. Hiring a fall guy. Nonsense needs to stop. 

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Didn't they say something about running the ball more?

Who else has said that in the last four years?
Quinn
Sark
Morris
Koetter
Dimitroff
Just about everyone on these boards.

How come the team hasn't been running the ball more then? Because the backs suck? Well how come none of the people who can, haven't added someone who can run the ball? 

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1 minute ago, Jesus said:

Didn't they say something about running the ball more?

Who else has said that in the last four years?
Quinn
Sark
Morris
Koetter
Dimitroff
Just about everyone on these boards.

How come the team hasn't been running the ball more then? Because the backs suck? Well how come none of the people who can, haven't added someone who can run the ball? 

It's one thing to say it, its another thing to do it. McKay is just saying what Blank wants to hear. At the end of the day, he cant get it done. 20 year here, Blank should know this by now. We always have this problem because we draft like Walmart shoppers, like expansion teams. Instead of getting quality picks, we try and show everyone we are the smartest guy in the room by finding that "value" pick. Whole front office from Blank down needs a Home Depot make over. The message is stale, the fans arent listening, the show is over and the monkey is dead. If McKay, Emery, and Webster hire another light weight GM, season ticket holders wont renew. Falcons fans arent stupid they know their football. Blank needs to move McKay out of picture and find a new right hand man in order for fans to believe anything is going to change. 

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Not sure what ur on about blank has brought in many ppl to front office that had been previous gm. We had 5 at one point. I still don't totally get the scott pioli thing did he really leave for charity guess not he's right back into trying to get a job.  I don't disagree that mckay being here is a nonstarter I don'treslly see the benefit st this point other than some negotiating of league rules and stuff

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1 minute ago, Refried Beans said:

It's one thing to say it, its another thing to do it. McKay is just saying what Blank wants to hear. At the end of the day, he cant get it done. 20 year here, Blank should know this by now. We always have this problem because we draft like Walmart shoppers, like expansion teams. Instead of getting quality picks, we try and show everyone we are the smartest guy in the room by finding that "value" pick. Whole front office from Blank down needs a Home Depot make over. The message is stale, the fans arent listening, the show is over and the monkey is dead. If McKay, Emery, and Webster hire another light weight GM, season ticket holders wont renew. Falcons fans arent stupid they know their football. Blank needs to move McKay out of picture and find a new right hand man in order for fans to believe anything is going to change. 

I call that spreadsheet mentality.  Plug in a metric and it spits out "value" 

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1 minute ago, Refried Beans said:

It's one thing to say it, its another thing to do it. McKay is just saying what Blank wants to hear. At the end of the day, he cant get it done. 20 year here, Blank should know this by now. We always have this problem because we draft like Walmart shoppers, like expansion teams. Instead of getting quality picks, we try and show everyone we are the smartest guy in the room by finding that "value" pick. Whole front office from Blank down needs a Home Depot make over. The message is stale, the fans arent listening, the show is over and the monkey is dead. If McKay, Emery, and Webster hire another light weight GM, season ticket holders wont renew. Falcons fans arent stupid they know their football. Blank needs to move McKay out of picture and find a new right hand man in order for fans to believe anything is going to change. 

I don't know. There is plenty of quality talent on the team. A lot of bad decisions have been made over the years most of them in the coaching department. As far as personnel this past year you look at Fowler and Gurley. That's a lot of money tied into 3 ypc and 3 sacks. Could it have turned out differently? Maybe. This year had a lot of upheaval. Between Covid and coaching changes it was a mess. That said none of the leadership has lived up to what they said they would do. 

McKay is fine as a high level NFL executive. He did fine as a GM back in the day with Tampa. No doubt he wants to make the right choice with coach and GM. They just need to get the coach who believes in what they really want not someone who thinks Dirk Koetter is the answer to a run game.

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Just now, Jesus said:

I don't know. There is plenty of quality talent on the team. A lot of bad decisions have been made over the years most of them in the coaching department. As far as personnel this past year you look at Fowler and Gurley. That's a lot of money tied into 3 ypc and 3 sacks. Could it have turned out differently? Maybe. This year had a lot of upheaval. Between Covid and coaching changes it was a mess. That said none of the leadership has lived up to what they said they would do. 

McKay is fine as a high level NFL executive. He did fine as a GM back in the day with Tampa. No doubt he wants to make the right choice with coach and GM. They just need to get the coach who believes in what they really want not someone who thinks Dirk Koetter is the answer to a run game.

Free agency has been bad with this team, but I'm giving them a pass on Gurley. I honestly thought Gurley looked fine for the first half of the season, Koetter just can't scheme himself out of a tin can.

I'm good with TD being gone. He did some good stuff, but he got "clever" a bit too often for my tastes and we always seemed to start his guys and hold onto them too long.

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12 minutes ago, Jesus said:

Didn't they say something about running the ball more?

Who else has said that in the last four years?
Quinn
Sark
Morris
Koetter
Dimitroff
Just about everyone on these boards.

How come the team hasn't been running the ball more then? Because the backs suck? Well how come none of the people who can, haven't added someone who can run the ball? 

They all are just saying what everyone wants to hear. It's time for true change in the organization, not just talk. 

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1 minute ago, Jesus said:

I don't know. There is plenty of quality talent on the team. A lot of bad decisions have been made over the years most of them in the coaching department. As far as personnel this past year you look at Fowler and Gurley. That's a lot of money tied into 3 ypc and 3 sacks. Could it have turned out differently? Maybe. This year had a lot of upheaval. Between Covid and coaching changes it was a mess. That said none of the leadership has lived up to what they said they would do. 

McKay is fine as a high level NFL executive. He did fine as a GM back in the day with Tampa. No doubt he wants to make the right choice with coach and GM. They just need to get the coach who believes in what they really want not someone who thinks Dirk Koetter is the answer to a run game.

There is POSITION talent on this team. WR, CB, QB. But we lack in Linemen talent. Anyone can draft a WR, a CB, and QB. Especially picking in top 20. It's rounds 3 thru 7 where you show your talent to draft. We like to draft projects and then our front office likes to make everyone believe we have this talent but 7-9 records state otherwise. What do they say, the numbers dont lie? 7 out of last 10 year with a losing record. Do we have talent? 

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2 minutes ago, FalconinPA said:

They all are just saying what everyone wants to hear. It's time for true change in the organization, not just talk. 

Exactly. I'm over the slogans. It felt like a TD thing, and Quinn just doubled down on it. We were on the right path until the playoff loss to the Giants in 2011 and the FO deciding to blow it all up and nuke Smitty's vision.

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36 minutes ago, Refried Beans said:

Blank hit on it time and time again about building a franchise that is a consistent winner. Well, this all comes back to front office structure. PERIOD. So OBVIOUSLY the front office you have now will not get you a consistent winner since all your current front office has brought you is consistent MEDIOCRACY.  You gotta get a SEASONED NFL Exec from a WINNING organization that can come in and rebuild your SCOUTING department AND  hire you a winning coach. McKay, Emery, and Webster clearly cant get it done. Brandon Hunt from Pittsburg, Joe Hortiz from Baltimore, Ed Dodds from Baltimore, or Terry Fontenot from New Orleans and NONE of these guys are going to come work for Falcons UNDERNEATH people like McKay, Emery, or Webster. So I guess you gotta make some decisions dont you big boy? You wanna be a winner or keep your friends employed in the current Falcons structure. Wont work both ways.  Notice how all the GM candidates McKay, Emery, and Webster have brought in are really green. We did this with TD, and all this is doing is building a layer around McKay, Emery, and Webster for job security. Hiring a fall guy. Nonsense needs to stop. 

This is a bit NSFW, BTW.

 

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1 minute ago, Refried Beans said:

There is POSITION talent on this team. WR, CB, QB. But we lack in Linemen talent. Anyone can draft a WR, a CB, and QB. Especially picking in top 20. It's rounds 3 thru 7 where you show your talent to draft. We like to draft projects and then our front office likes to make everyone believe we have this talent but 7-9 records state otherwise. What do they say, the numbers dont lie? 7 out of last 10 year with a losing record. Do we have talent? 

There isn't much difference between talent on NFL teams. What makes success is coaching. 

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17 minutes ago, Jesus said:

Didn't they say something about running the ball more?

Who else has said that in the last four years?
Quinn
Sark
Morris
Koetter
Dimitroff
Just about everyone on these boards.

How come the team hasn't been running the ball more then? Because the backs suck? Well how come none of the people who can, haven't added someone who can run the ball? 

It goes deeper than just having a good back. Oline has to be on the same page. And openeing up holes. Oc has to setup plays and keep defenses off balance. Slow a55 henry in tennessee is putting up big numbers, do you think that alll had to do with him? No. Everyone has to play good as a unit. 

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If you hire people to be your friends and give them hamstrung authority to only make changes you like you are sending the message that you don’t trust your own people to do their jobs. And that is more likely to = 4-12 than 9-7. 
 

So putting aside any player or brand talk, Mr. Blank, hire the best you can and step back and let them do their job.  As much as I am not a fan of Quinn if he had true NFL head coach authority we would not be 4-12.  Let coaches coach. Let players play to their strength. Don’t meddle. 

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Mckay is that little nerd that sucks up to the teacher to stay on their good side.  He provides nothing but bad advice for this team.  Thanks to mckay we have had the former buc coaches on this team. Thanks to mckay , raheem Morris became our interim coach and koetter our offensive coordinator.  Mckay sucks and does nothing but play golf with blank just to weasel his way to the top.

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16 minutes ago, DMT11 said:

Not sure what ur on about blank has brought in many ppl to front office that had been previous gm. We had 5 at one point. I still don't totally get the scott pioli thing did he really leave for charity guess not he's right back into trying to get a job.  I don't disagree that mckay being here is a nonstarter I don'treslly see the benefit st this point other than some negotiating of league rules and stuff

Blank hired a bunch of GMs that were fired and out of work. It's not like he went out and actually paid someone big bucks to lead the show. Yes at one point we had like 8 GMs but they all came from with failed track records. Makes Blank look like he likes to surround himself with YES men. I dont know but the quality of the 8 GMs was poor. Ask yourself this question, if McKay, Webster, and Emery were fired today would any other NFL team hire them as GM? Exactly. Just like when we fired Smitty, Mora Jr, Quinn, etc...you dont see anyother NFL teams hiring them as coaches do you? That should tell you something about the quality of people McKay is hiring. Birds of a feather flock together. Needs to stop. Blank need to hire 1 GM from a Winning Franchise, who has Longevity and is not some green kid out of a scouting department, and then let that GM do his job and report to Blank.  If you want to keep McKay as Operation President that is fine but let McKay run Concession or something like that, keep him completely out of scouting and drafting and hiring becasue he is not good at it. 20 year track record of failure shows this. 

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14 minutes ago, FalconinPA said:

They all are just saying what everyone wants to hear. It's time for true change in the organization, not just talk. 

Yeah, because IF that is what they wanted to do, they would have at least brought in some lineman that were great run blockers and coaches that believed in it religiously. 

But they preferred the prettier more exciting chick instead. 

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14 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said:

Exactly. I'm over the slogans. It felt like a TD thing, and Quinn just doubled down on it. We were on the right path until the playoff loss to the Giants in 2011 and the FO deciding to blow it all up and nuke Smitty's vision.

Everytime I heard "In Brotherhood" I got this mental image of Quinn bashing two cans of red bull against his skull while yelling "HEELLLLLS YESSSSS BOOIIII!!!!!"'

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21 minutes ago, Jesus said:

There isn't much difference between talent on NFL teams. What makes success is coaching. 

I dont know if I agree with you here. If this was true then Mike McCarthy would have Cowboys in the play-offs. How can Mike McCarthy succeed at Green Bay but not Dallas? All comes down to OWNERSHIP, Front office STRUCTURE, strong Scouting Departments, and sticking with a winning method and not diverting form the plan.  Seattle, Pitts, Green Bay, Ravens,  etc.. they  dont change coaches every four years, and their GMs, Directors of PLayer Personell, etc,,, been with them a long time.  Ken Whisenhunt can lead the Cardinals to the Super Bowl but cant win jack at Titans? Plenty of examples. Sports is about TALENT and having coaches that knows how to use it. You think Phil Jackson wins all those trophies without Kobe or MJ? You think KC wins SB without Mahomes? It's talent. And if we have been 7-9 for most of the last 10 years, we gotta get a GM that can get us better talent FIRST AND FOREMOST because the people we got McKay, Emery, and Webster, aint getting it done. 

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Yes we have had mistakes with this Franchise but if you say Blank and McKay hindered us you arent thinking. How many times have we missed the playoffs since Matt has been here 6 times. With two nfccg appearance. SB appearance.

If anybody let us down it has been the coaching staff and GM.

So we fired our GM and HC for something new and people still be *****ing.

We are ahead of alot of teams.

We can definitely be a top 7 team in the nfc 

We need better coaching and executing

 

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7 minutes ago, GATXBOI said:

Yes we have had mistakes with this Franchise but if you say Blank and McKay hindered us you arent thinking. How many times have we missed the playoffs since Matt has been here 6 times. With two nfccg appearance. SB appearance.

If anybody let us down it has been the coaching staff and GM.

So we fired our GM and HC for something new and people still be *****ing.

We are ahead of alot of teams.

We can definitely be a top 7 team in the nfc 

We need better coaching and executing

 

Look at these records. Falcons been middle of the road under Blank and McKay, numbers dont lie, dont forget to add on the 4-12 this year. Time for McKay, Emery, and Webster to go! 

 

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34 minutes ago, Refried Beans said:

There is POSITION talent on this team. WR, CB, QB. But we lack in Linemen talent. Anyone can draft a WR, a CB, and QB. Especially picking in top 20. It's rounds 3 thru 7 where you show your talent to draft. We like to draft projects and then our front office likes to make everyone believe we have this talent but 7-9 records state otherwise. What do they say, the numbers dont lie? 7 out of last 10 year with a losing record. Do we have talent? 

We have arguably the 2nd best DT in the NFL, who was drafted in the rounds 3-7 you mention. We have blue chip players at RG, LT and previously at C. 

yes, we have failed miserably at getting edge rushers, but let’s not act like the team has had nothing at all.

funny that you say anyone can draft a QB..if that was the case why would teams pay them so much, or spend decades drafting them in hopes of finding the one? That statement alone kills your argument.

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