jidady 9,447 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Matt Ryan wound up as the #10 QB for 2020 with a PFF rating of 83.9. We had no players on PFF's 1st or 2nd team All-Pro rankings. You can see who made the list here: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-all-pro-team-aaron-rodgers-davante-adams-aaron-donald-and-t-j-watt-highlight-pffs-all-pro-roster We had one player make the All-Rookie team, but it's not the one you'd think. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-all-rookie-team-chargers-justin-herbert-qb-vikings-justin-jefferson-washington-chase-young "LB Mykal Walker, Atlanta Falcons If going purely off counting stats such as tackles, the all-rookie linebackers would be players like Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen, who started for their respective defenses and piled up numbers. The PFF grades tell a different story, with Murray earning a PFF grade of 54.7 on the season and Queen coming in as one of the lowest-graded linebackers in the league at 29.8. Walker is one of the players who shined in a more limited role. Across 371 defensive snaps this season, he earned a 74.7 overall grade that included a 90.7 grade in coverage. Walker allowed just 74 passing yards into his coverage on 152 coverage snaps all season. He may not have the same stats as several of the other rookie linebackers across the league, but his play warrants some recognition here." The rookie corners on their list are L'Jarius Sneed (73.9) and Cameron Dantzler (70.9). AJ Terrell finished at 60.8 after slumping a bit during the last month. The site has also posted a mock draft: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-mock-draft-zach-wilson-new-york-jets-san-francisco-49ers-move-up-justin-fields It goes: 1) Jacksonville -- Trevor Lawrence 2) Jets -- Zach Wilson 3) Dolphins -- Sewell 4) SF trading up to our spot -- Justin Fields 5) Bengals -- Ja'Marr Chase 6) Eagles -- Trey Lance 7) Detroit -- Kwity Paye 8. Carolina -- Micah Parsons 9) Denver -- Patrick Surtain 10) Dallas -- Caleb Farley 11) NY Giants -- Devonta Smith 12) Falcons (you riot in 3...2...1...) -- Kyle Pitts, TE - Florida I would be extremely pleased with this scenario if one of those two corners were on the board at #12. I actually quite like Pitts, but I think we all know this team needs defense, defense, defense. PFF doesn't suggest compensation, but a jump from #12 to #4 should cost SF something like #43, #108, and a second round pick in 2022. That would give us picks at #12, #35, #43, #68, #99, and #108 this year plus three picks in the top 60 next year. Ergo Proxy, blknoble357 and Herr Doktor 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Doktor 5,907 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 9 minutes ago, jidady said: Matt Ryan wound up as the #10 QB for 2020 with a PFF rating of 83.9. We had no players on PFF's 1st or 2nd team All-Pro rankings. You can see who made the list here: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-all-pro-team-aaron-rodgers-davante-adams-aaron-donald-and-t-j-watt-highlight-pffs-all-pro-roster We had one player make the All-Rookie team, but it's not the one you'd think. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-all-rookie-team-chargers-justin-herbert-qb-vikings-justin-jefferson-washington-chase-young "LB Mykal Walker, Atlanta Falcons If going purely off counting stats such as tackles, the all-rookie linebackers would be players like Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen, who started for their respective defenses and piled up numbers. The PFF grades tell a different story, with Murray earning a PFF grade of 54.7 on the season and Queen coming in as one of the lowest-graded linebackers in the league at 29.8. Walker is one of the players who shined in a more limited role. Across 371 defensive snaps this season, he earned a 74.7 overall grade that included a 90.7 grade in coverage. Walker allowed just 74 passing yards into his coverage on 152 coverage snaps all season. He may not have the same stats as several of the other rookie linebackers across the league, but his play warrants some recognition here." The rookie corners on their list are L'Jarius Sneed (73.9) and Cameron Dantzler (70.9). AJ Terrell finished at 60.8 after slumping a bit during the last month. The site has also posted a mock draft: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-mock-draft-zach-wilson-new-york-jets-san-francisco-49ers-move-up-justin-fields It goes: 1) Jacksonville -- Trevor Lawrence 2) Jets -- Zach Wilson 3) Dolphins -- Sewell 4) SF trading up to our spot -- Justin Fields 5) Bengals -- Ja'Marr Chase 6) Eagles -- Trey Lance 7) Detroit -- Kwity Paye 8. Carolina -- Micah Parsons 9) Denver -- Patrick Surtain 10) Dallas -- Caleb Farley 11) NY Giants -- Devonta Smith 12) Falcons (you riot in 3...2...1...) -- Kyle Pitts, TE - Florida I would be extremely pleased with this scenario if one of those two corners were on the board at #12. I actually quite like Pitts, but I think we all know this team needs defense, defense, defense. PFF doesn't suggest compensation, but a jump from #12 to #4 should cost SF something like #43, #108, and a second round pick in 2022. That would give us picks at #12, #35, #43, #68, #99, and #108 this year plus three picks in the top 60 next year. Great post. Luckily, TD is gone and TE more than likely won't be our selection. One can hope. 🤣 Ergo Proxy and blknoble357 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OrthoPTSD 978 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 11 minutes ago, jidady said: 8. Carolina -- Micah Parsons 9) Denver -- Patrick Surtain 10) Dallas -- Caleb Farley These guys have to be in wheel house of any trade down IMO If Farley runs 4.3 trade down might be off table and is must pick at 4 Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fiercefalcon 520 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 12 minutes ago, jidady said: 12) Falcons (you riot in 3...2...1...) -- Kyle Pitts, TE - Florida My pitchfork is already on standby. blknoble357, VTCrunkler, Killing Floor and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
celtiksage 1,895 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Love it. And yes if Surtain or Farley fell just a little to us, otherwise it's also in line with Rousseau (or the other DE). Maybe even a DT here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thelonious Mingus 605 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I think trading down for Kyle Pitts would cause a general consensus outrage that every one here would agree upon. Ergo Proxy and red falcon 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesus 25,661 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 That seems to be a pretty good top 10 though. Not sure about the TE pick. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droopy1592 7,350 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Troffed. I’ve been impressed by walker. Ergo Proxy, Thelonious Mingus, VTCrunkler and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robertap 875 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 24 minutes ago, jidady said: I would be extremely pleased with this scenario if one of those two corners were on the board at #12. I actually quite like Pitts, but I think we all know this team needs defense, defense, defense. I don't know if Pitts would be my pick here, but I love the trade. If we're going to be rebuilding, having a bunch of picks would be of great benefit since the Ryan/Jones contracts will make acquiring free agents prohibitive. jidady 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thelonious Mingus 605 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 24 minutes ago, droopy1592 said: Troffed. I’ve been impressed by walker. I'm expecting a breakout year next year with whoever we bring as GM/HC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mcwheesus 370 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 59 minutes ago, jidady said: The site has also posted a mock draft: It goes: 4) SF trading up to our spot -- Justin Fields My God. Not that I think this will happen but Justin Fields in Kyle's system. Geez Edited January 4 by mcwheesus fixing the quote for easier browsing jidady 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ergo Proxy 25,926 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 50 minutes ago, Herr Doktor said: Great post. Luckily, TD is gone and TE more than likely won't be our selection. One can hope. 🤣 I mean, Hurst had an inconsistent year overall but showed he could at least replace the PRODUCTION of Hooper; despite not being as consistent or reaching his potential with Ryan yet. 2 more years of control. No. We don’t need a TE. Draft the RB like people wanted last year in round 2. Load up on picks if we can but improve OL and Defense every other pick. Maybe a mid-round TE if Graham ain’t it as depth moving forward. Their analysis has some weight but this hurried mock for us is just dumb. Herr Doktor and ATLskinjob 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantafan21 10,901 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 50 minutes ago, OrthoPTSD said: These guys have to be in wheel house of any trade down IMO If Farley runs 4.3 trade down might be off table and is must pick at 4 With that injury history I don’t think there’s any way he goes top 5. Idk if he even goes top 10 even if he runs a 4.3. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PointSwayzee 504 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, jidady said: I would be extremely pleased with this scenario if one of those two corners were on the board at #12. I actually quite like Pitts, but I think we all know this team needs defense, defense, defense. PFF doesn't suggest compensation, but a jump from #12 to #4 should cost SF something like #43, #108, and a second round pick in 2022. That would give us picks at #12, #35, #43, #68, #99, and #108 this year plus three picks in the top 60 next year. If that is what we received for passing on a potential franchise QB, this place will simply implode(present company included) Godzilla1985 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantafan21 10,901 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 That wouldn’t be a bad trade, but who we end up taking would be terrible, no offense to Pitts. No matter how you feel about Hurst, tightend should be the least of our worries on our roster right now. Also, LOL at the Lions taking Paye over Parsons and Surtain. That’d be such a massive mistake. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etherdome 6,314 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I would thoroughly vet Fields. If he is a mature young man, I would draft him and sit him behind Ryan for a season. Next year, Ryan could fetch us two second rounders. If Fields turns out to be another Jeff George, Newton, or even Vick, I make the trade and possibly try to trade back again. There is bound to be a very good FS or RB prospect that fits us well. Godzilla1985 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Godzilla1985 6,656 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, jidady said: Matt Ryan wound up as the #10 QB for 2020 with a PFF rating of 83.9. We had no players on PFF's 1st or 2nd team All-Pro rankings. You can see who made the list here: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-all-pro-team-aaron-rodgers-davante-adams-aaron-donald-and-t-j-watt-highlight-pffs-all-pro-roster We had one player make the All-Rookie team, but it's not the one you'd think. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-all-rookie-team-chargers-justin-herbert-qb-vikings-justin-jefferson-washington-chase-young "LB Mykal Walker, Atlanta Falcons If going purely off counting stats such as tackles, the all-rookie linebackers would be players like Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen, who started for their respective defenses and piled up numbers. The PFF grades tell a different story, with Murray earning a PFF grade of 54.7 on the season and Queen coming in as one of the lowest-graded linebackers in the league at 29.8. Walker is one of the players who shined in a more limited role. Across 371 defensive snaps this season, he earned a 74.7 overall grade that included a 90.7 grade in coverage. Walker allowed just 74 passing yards into his coverage on 152 coverage snaps all season. He may not have the same stats as several of the other rookie linebackers across the league, but his play warrants some recognition here." The rookie corners on their list are L'Jarius Sneed (73.9) and Cameron Dantzler (70.9). AJ Terrell finished at 60.8 after slumping a bit during the last month. The site has also posted a mock draft: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-mock-draft-zach-wilson-new-york-jets-san-francisco-49ers-move-up-justin-fields It goes: 1) Jacksonville -- Trevor Lawrence 2) Jets -- Zach Wilson 3) Dolphins -- Sewell 4) SF trading up to our spot -- Justin Fields 5) Bengals -- Ja'Marr Chase 6) Eagles -- Trey Lance 7) Detroit -- Kwity Paye 8. Carolina -- Micah Parsons 9) Denver -- Patrick Surtain 10) Dallas -- Caleb Farley 11) NY Giants -- Devonta Smith 12) Falcons (you riot in 3...2...1...) -- Kyle Pitts, TE - Florida I would be extremely pleased with this scenario if one of those two corners were on the board at #12. I actually quite like Pitts, but I think we all know this team needs defense, defense, defense. PFF doesn't suggest compensation, but a jump from #12 to #4 should cost SF something like #43, #108, and a second round pick in 2022. That would give us picks at #12, #35, #43, #68, #99, and #108 this year plus three picks in the top 60 next year. If Fields or Wilson are at 4 we are probably taking them. We sure as **** aren’t trading back and picking up a TE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jidady 9,447 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, PointSwayzee said: If that is what we received for passing on a potential franchise QB, this place will simply implode(present company included) which would be ridiculous since it's such a transparently smart move for a franchise in our situation. I mean, people will gripe no matter what we do, but we're hard-locked to Ryan for two more years. Getting extra second-fourth round picks gives us cheap starters, which is what a cap-maxed team desperately needs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
autigerfan 803 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 hours ago, jidady said: Matt Ryan wound up as the #10 QB for 2020 with a PFF rating of 83.9. We had no players on PFF's 1st or 2nd team All-Pro rankings. You can see who made the list here: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-all-pro-team-aaron-rodgers-davante-adams-aaron-donald-and-t-j-watt-highlight-pffs-all-pro-roster We had one player make the All-Rookie team, but it's not the one you'd think. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-all-rookie-team-chargers-justin-herbert-qb-vikings-justin-jefferson-washington-chase-young "LB Mykal Walker, Atlanta Falcons If going purely off counting stats such as tackles, the all-rookie linebackers would be players like Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen, who started for their respective defenses and piled up numbers. The PFF grades tell a different story, with Murray earning a PFF grade of 54.7 on the season and Queen coming in as one of the lowest-graded linebackers in the league at 29.8. Walker is one of the players who shined in a more limited role. Across 371 defensive snaps this season, he earned a 74.7 overall grade that included a 90.7 grade in coverage. Walker allowed just 74 passing yards into his coverage on 152 coverage snaps all season. He may not have the same stats as several of the other rookie linebackers across the league, but his play warrants some recognition here." The rookie corners on their list are L'Jarius Sneed (73.9) and Cameron Dantzler (70.9). AJ Terrell finished at 60.8 after slumping a bit during the last month. The site has also posted a mock draft: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-mock-draft-zach-wilson-new-york-jets-san-francisco-49ers-move-up-justin-fields It goes: 1) Jacksonville -- Trevor Lawrence 2) Jets -- Zach Wilson 3) Dolphins -- Sewell 4) SF trading up to our spot -- Justin Fields 5) Bengals -- Ja'Marr Chase 6) Eagles -- Trey Lance 7) Detroit -- Kwity Paye 8. Carolina -- Micah Parsons 9) Denver -- Patrick Surtain 10) Dallas -- Caleb Farley 11) NY Giants -- Devonta Smith 12) Falcons (you riot in 3...2...1...) -- Kyle Pitts, TE - Florida I would be extremely pleased with this scenario if one of those two corners were on the board at #12. I actually quite like Pitts, but I think we all know this team needs defense, defense, defense. PFF doesn't suggest compensation, but a jump from #12 to #4 should cost SF something like #43, #108, and a second round pick in 2022. That would give us picks at #12, #35, #43, #68, #99, and #108 this year plus three picks in the top 60 next year. Does this mean Dan Reeves is the new coach of the Falcon? The TE is a head scratcher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PointSwayzee 504 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 20 minutes ago, jidady said: which would be ridiculous since it's such a transparently smart move for a franchise in our situation. I mean, people will gripe no matter what we do, but we're hard-locked to Ryan for two more years. Getting extra second-fourth round picks gives us cheap starters, which is what a cap-maxed team desperately needs. Not saying that a trade back is the worst thing in the world. I'm saying you take "chart equivalent" compensation for a potential franchise QB, which the team trading with you obviously thinks, then we truly deserve what we get. Edited January 4 by PointSwayzee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jidady 9,447 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 14 minutes ago, autigerfan said: Does this mean Dan Reeves is the new coach of the Falcon? The TE is a head scratcher. I think it's more about pick value, but the reality is that most mock drafts only match someone's top 100 board to who's picking. I know from the draft simulator that PFF has Pitts at #9, which would make him good value at #12 for a team that needed weapons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jidady 9,447 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 16 minutes ago, PointSwayzee said: Not saying that a trade back is the worst thing in the world. I'm saying you take "chart equivalent" compensation for a potential franchise QB, which the team trading with you obviously thinks, then we truly deserve what we get. Okay, I hear you. At #3, I think we had a better chance at an overpay. It's pretty rare for situations like Julio Jones and Ricky Williams where teams give up massive compensation for a guy who doesn't go in the top three. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
autigerfan 803 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 44 minutes ago, jidady said: I think it's more about pick value, but the reality is that most mock drafts only match someone's top 100 board to who's picking. I know from the draft simulator that PFF has Pitts at #9, which would make him good value at #12 for a team that needed weapons. No I get it. I despise the idea of taking a TE in the firstbecause they rarely make an impact until year's 3+. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killing Floor 874 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Seriously if we look past QB this draft Sam Howell is a year behind. He’ll be a junior in 21 season. He’s eating Lawrence’s conference records. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThemDarnFalconsBoy! 304 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Trade down and draft Kyle Pitts??? May as well trade down into the 2nd round and draft a RB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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