youngbloodz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, tl;dr said: Unfortunately for them, the Jets issues go far behind the coach. They have a talent problem. I don’t think I can really name any players on their offense off the top of my head. Well that’s why you draft players with talent. And the Jets have talent. Gase is doing a horrible job at showcasing that talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Spts1 said: digging in the crates. Lawrence himself will tell you he had is PASSING GAME COORDINATOR there. Not sure what digging in the crates means but ok🤷🏾. I mean one would think the offensive coordinator is a superior job to a passing game coordinator. Maybe I’m wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tl;dr Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, youngbloodz said: Well that’s why you draft players with talent. And the Jets have talent. Gase is doing a horrible job at showcasing that talent Yeah but even without Gase, there isn’t a ton of talent on offense. Their leading rusher is Frank Gore. Nothing against him, but he isn’t exactly a young gun. They have Jamison Crowder who is okay, but I don’t know many defensive coordinators who go to bed scared of Crowder. Not sure which players on their offense are really all that great and super talented, but alright. Don’t think a new coach and QB is going to change much over night but we will see. Also meant far beyond and not far behind in my first post so yeah youngbloodz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, A-TowN.- said: Jets already have a decent line with a franchise LT in Becton, and other improvements can be done via FA using their massive cap rather than spending a 2nd overall pick on it. Darnold has some major issues though. His accuracy and decision making even without pressure is poor. His throws, even when the O-line holds up, leave a lot to be desired. The supporting cast is slowly coming together and will continue to do so.. Their 2020 draft class has done well and they have a ton of picks in 21 & 22. Plus they have the second largest cap space. What they need is a QB who can allow them to continue to improve and take the next step. A 4th year Darnold who still keeps making the mistakes he made in college is not the answer. Gase certainly didn’t help Darnold, but I just don’t see Darnold as the answer for that franchise. They can kick Becton to RT. Sewell will be a franchise type of LT imo like Anthony Munoz. Becton isn’t that. Gase hasn’t improved Darnold at all and that’s why he was brought in. People thought Josh Allen wasn’t good until he got a coach worth his salt. Same applies to Darnold. The talent is there. Jets wasting a pick on another QB doesn’t solve anything. They first need to get the right coach in there. And if that coach doesn’t believe in Darnold so be it. Imo it’s more important for them to get the correct coach instead of another QB. Just my opinion FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, tl;dr said: Yeah but even without Gase, there isn’t a ton of talent on offense. Their leading rusher is Frank Gore. Nothing against him, but he isn’t exactly a young gun. They have Jamison Crowder who is okay, but I don’t know many defensive coordinators who go to bed scared of Crowder. Not sure which players on their offense are really all that great and super talented, but alright. Don’t think a new coach and QB is going to change much over night but we will see They had Robby anderson who was wasting away and suddenly joe brady gets ahold of him and he's a top 15 guy so it's really impossible to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, tl;dr said: Yeah but even without Gase, there isn’t a ton of talent on offense. Their leading rusher is Frank Gore. Nothing against him, but he isn’t exactly a young gun. They have Jamison Crowder who is okay, but I don’t know many defensive coordinators who go to bed scared of Crowder. Not sure which players on their offense are really all that great and super talented, but alright. Don’t think a new coach and QB is going to change much over night but we will see. Also meant far beyond and not far behind in my first post so yeah They don’t have great talent. But they don’t need great talent on offense to be respectable. They need a running game no matter who the QB is. They need a playmaking WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tl;dr Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: They had Robby anderson who was wasting away and suddenly joe brady gets ahold of him and he's a top 15 guy so it's really impossible to know If he was still up there then I think my point on talent does become a lot harder to argue lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, tl;dr said: If he was still up there then I think my point on talent does become a lot harder to argue lol. I don't, because nobody really thought he was all that good until he left Gase and the Jets. It's like trying to judge any of our RB's playing under Koetter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tl;dr Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, youngbloodz said: They don’t have great talent. But they don’t need great talent on offense to be respectable. They need a running game no matter who the QB is. They need a playmaking WR. They have the picks to get some young guys, but I don’t see it happening with Gase. Dude owes his entire HCing career to Peyton Manning youngbloodz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, tl;dr said: They have the picks to get some young guys, but I don’t see it happening with Gase. Dude owes his entire HCing career to Peyton Manning They definitely have to fire Gase. They can’t go into next year with him as their coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosts of Glanville Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Watch if Fields lays an egg against Alabama we’ll have guys on here saying we can trade down and still get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tl;dr Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ghosts of Glanville said: Watch if Fields lays an egg against Alabama we’ll have guys on here saying we can trade down and still get him He’s gonna do okay against Alabama. Alabama is weak at LB and S. The TEs will have solid games. But Alabama is really good at CB and solid on the DL too. I would be surprised if he just flat out stinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-TowN.- Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, youngbloodz said: They can kick Becton to RT. Sewell will be a franchise type of LT imo like Anthony Munoz. Becton isn’t that. Gase hasn’t improved Darnold at all and that’s why he was brought in. People thought Josh Allen wasn’t good until he got a coach worth his salt. Same applies to Darnold. The talent is there. Jets wasting a pick on another QB doesn’t solve anything. They first need to get the right coach in there. Becton did great as a rookie at LT. Sewell is a generational talent, but that doesn’t mean anything if he has no one to protect. Look at Joe Thomas, franchise tackle who never made the playoffs. Flacco has outperformed Darnold with the same supporting cast. This is the same argument when people said Cardinals shouldn’t draft Murray because they had Rosen. Look at them now. You have to take a gamble on the QB position because it’s arguably the most important in all of sports. Darnold is not going to elevate that team the way Fields could. Francis York Morgan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetJones11 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Ovie_Lover said: One game and everyone thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread smh. He’s been that he just needed this game to validate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, JetJones11 said: He’s been that he just needed this game to validate it So the games he struggled don’t matter? Just this one game is all we should look at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, A-TowN.- said: Becton did great as a rookie at LT. Sewell is a generational talent, but that doesn’t mean anything if he has no one to protect. Look at Joe Thomas, franchise tackle who never made the playoffs. Flacco has outperformed Darnold with the same supporting cast. This is the same argument when people said Cardinals shouldn’t draft Murray because they had Rosen. Look at them now. You have to take a gamble on the QB position because it’s arguably the most important in all of sports. Darnold is not going to elevate that team the way Fields could. Rosen was never looked at as the type of QB that Darnold was looked at. That’s a lazy argument. I still believe Darnold can be a very good QB. You don’t and that’s fine. Agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetJones11 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Ovie_Lover said: So the games he struggled don’t matter? Just this one game is all we should look at? Quarterbacks struggle people wanted to see how he’d handle a big game after a few so so performances and he passed with flying colors that’s what you want to see from a QB the talent has always been there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Ovie_Lover said: So the games he struggled don’t matter? Just this one game is all we should look at? A game in which their offensive and defensive line dominated. Don't expect that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, tl;dr said: He’s gonna do okay against Alabama. Alabama is weak at LB and S. The TEs will have solid games. But Alabama is really good at CB and solid on the DL too. I would be surprised if he just flat out stinks I think he will do well against Bama too. Bama defense isn’t what it use to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-TowN.- Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, youngbloodz said: Rosen was never looked at as the type of QB that Darnold was looked at. That’s a lazy argument. I still believe Darnold can be a very good QB. You don’t and that’s fine. Agree to disagree Pre-draft they weren’t, but they both showed flashes their rookie year. That’s not lazy at all people were saying the same thing not to give up on Rosen so soon. The issue is that Darnold hasn’t progressed and is still making terrible choices. He’s been in the NFL for three years and looks like a Rookie still. I’m willing to make a bet right now that Fields goes to the Jets 100%. If he doesn’t, I will ban myself from TATF for a season. Go check out what Jets fans are saying, they are salivating over Fields now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, A-TowN.- said: Pre-draft they weren’t, but they both showed flashes their rookie year. That’s not lazy at all people were saying the same thing not to give up on Rosen so soon. The issue is that Darnold hasn’t progressed and is still making terrible choices. I’m willing to make a bet right now that Fields goes to the Jets 100%. If he doesn’t, I will ban myself from TATF for a season. Go check out what Jets fans are saying, they are salivating over Fields now. Rosen had some other issues too. I think some teams looked at him as being a Jay Cutler. Dude had a jacuzzi in his dorm room at UCLA. What the fans want means absolutely nothing lol. I’m sure they do want another QB. ****, some of them wanted Gase as the HC. How’s that working for them? Vandy and Francis York Morgan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spts1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said: So the games he struggled don’t matter? Just this one game is all we should look at? If memory serves me correctly, Fields was a Heisman 🏆 finalist last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-TowN.- Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, youngbloodz said: Rosen had some other issues too. I think some teams looked at him as being a Jay Cutler. Dude had a jacuzzi in his dorm room at UCLA. What the fans want means absolutely nothing lol. I’m sure they do want another QB. ****, some of them wanted Gase as the HC. How’s that working for them? Dude point is people wanted to give Rosen a chance and not take Murray, that’s it. I’m not saying fans always know the right choice to make, but they have a better gauge on what their franchise needs more so than what some random posters on TATF are saying. If they see Flacco making better plays than Darnold with the same supporting cast, I’m sure they feel it’s time to move on, especially after 3 years of not showing any progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, A-TowN.- said: Dude point is people wanted to give Rosen a chance and not take Murray, that’s it. I’m not saying fans always know the right choice to make, but they have a better gauge on what their franchise needs more so than what some random posters on TATF are saying. If they see Flacco making better plays than Darnold with the same supporting cast, I’m sure they feel it’s time to move on, especially after 3 years of not showing any progress. Say waat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, A-TowN.- said: Dude point is people wanted to give Rosen a chance and not take Murray, that’s it. I’m not saying fans always know the right choice to make, but they have a better gauge on what their franchise needs more so than what some random posters on TATF are saying. If they see Flacco making better plays than Darnold with the same supporting cast, I’m sure they feel it’s time to move on, especially after 3 years of not showing any progress. Actually I have to challenge you on this one. There are many franchises, most if anything, that don’t actually know how to win. And decisions are greatly influenced by marketing and money. For instance, if the Jets do draft Fields, it would likely be more because Fields would sell tickets and merchandise, and would generate overall excitement, more than it would be them giving up on Darnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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