Micah Parsons pass rush

[OrthoPTSD]

Ive watched his highlight tapes a couple of times and yes very active, I'd love the guy at LINE BACKER, but I question him being the best  Pass Rusher simply because all I see is him shooting gaps for his sacks. No hand fighting, spins, dips/ bend around OTs, not even one move? Shooting gaps, heck Deion is doing just fine in that regard.

Also will point out in his tape, I see no arriving to ball carrier with violence. 

Just seems strange that he could perform at a pick 3-5 level with pass rush. He would make defense better (if move to 3-4 whole other topic) no doubt. Just question him being best pass rusher.

 

[PriMeTiiMe]

That's his entire tape. You will struggle to find him beating an OT off the edge 1 on 1 with a pass rush move. He screams through gaps and off the edges untouched the way we use Deion and Foye in blitzes but when presented with needing to beat a blocker he struggles with anything beyond trying to bull rush them.

His coverage is also subpar so simply playing him at MLB is also questionable. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by PriMeTiiMe

[Bobby.Digital]

He isn't a pass rusher. He's a great blizter. The Kahlil Mack and Von Miller comparisons are hilarious. 

[FalconFanSince1969]

4 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said:

He isn't a pass rusher. He's a great blizter. The Kahlil Mack and Von Miller comparisons are hilarious. 

The mack comparison is actually valid. Mack played a lot of off ball like parsons did. 

 

 

[joeyg2033]

23 minutes ago, PriMeTiiMe said:

That's his entire tape. You will struggle to find him beating an OT off the edge 1 on 1 with a pass rush move. He screams through gaps and off the edges untouched the way we use Deion and Foye in blitzes but when presented with needing to beat a blocker he struggles with anything beyond trying to bull rush them.

His coverage is also subpar so simply playing him at MLB is also questionable. 

Therefore, any college comp to Khalil Mack and Von Miller are simply idiotic. 

I get the impression that people in here think that's what they're getting... when it isn't. He's not going to be able to effect things on the field like those two. Another reason to pass on him and focus on QB... 

Edited December 29, 2020 by joeyg2033

[PriMeTiiMe]

1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

The mack comparison is actually valid. Mack played a lot of off ball like parsons did. 

 

 

Mack had a solid skill set of pass rush moves entering the draft. Parsons has none. You don't draft a guy to be a pass rusher in the top 5 if he can't even beat someone in ways other than a bull or speed rush. If you want to say he can be a MLB that can change the game that is a different topic of discussion. He would need to work heavily on his coverage ability but at that point, why would we want him when we already have 2 good young capable off-ball LBs + another rookie proving he can play as well?

Theirs a reason Greg Rousseau has fallen from top 5 pick to middle of the 1st and possible even end of the 1st projections. He has the same problem. He had a chance to work on his moves this year and solidify a top 5 pick but he opted out. Same goes for Parsons but for whatever reason people have continued to hype him up as if he's some can't miss LB prospect.

Not saying Both can't be great NFL players but I don't see the appeal in either of them right now. Parsons around 10-15 would probably be a great pick but 4...Meh

[Bobby.Digital]

12 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

The mack comparison is actually valid. Mack played a lot of off ball like parsons did. 

 

 

Mack was a much better pass rusher coming out. He showed consistent ability to beat tackles and had pass rushing moves. 

Parsons does or has neither. He's strictly at this point someone who gets to the QB by blitzing. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Bobby.Digital

[red falcon]

24 minutes ago, PriMeTiiMe said:

That's his entire tape. You will struggle to find him beating an OT off the edge 1 on 1 with a pass rush move. He screams through gaps and off the edges untouched the way we use Deion and Foye in blitzes but when presented with needing to beat a blocker he struggles with anything beyond trying to bull rush them.

His coverage is also subpar so simply playing him at MLB is also questionable. 

That doesnt sound great

[KRUNKuno]

32 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said:

He isn't a pass rusher. He's a great blizter. The Kahlil Mack and Von Miller comparisons are hilarious. 

I liken him more to Patrick Willis

Parsons is not an edge rusher.  He has very high blitz potential.  

[Sui_Generis]

10 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said:

I liken him more to Patrick Willis

Parsons is not an edge rusher.  He has very high blitz potential.  

And if thats what he matured into he would be well worth the pick. 

 

[xSICKxWITHxITx]

14 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said:

I liken him more to Patrick Willis

Parsons is not an edge rusher.  He has very high blitz potential.  

Patrick Willis was good in coverage though and made Ints. I don't know much about Parsons, but apparently pass coverage isn't something hes great at.

[Knight of God]

4 minutes ago, xSICKxWITHxITx said:

Patrick Willis was good in coverage though and made Ints. I don't know much about Parsons, but apparently pass coverage isn't something hes great at.

This is a fact, but with Debo and Foye, I wouldn't worry about him being perfect. Especially if FS is addressed 

[xSICKxWITHxITx]

Just now, Knight of God said:

This is a fact, but with Debo and Foye, I wouldn't worry about him being perfect. Especially if FS is addressed 

But what would he be? SLB on base and DE in passing situations? Is he that good to take that high especially if hes a situationaly player? I trust your opinion. 

[Jesus]

So is Parsons good at anything? Why is he projected in the top 10.

[PriMeTiiMe]

19 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said:

I liken him more to Patrick Willis

Parsons is not an edge rusher.  He has very high blitz potential.  

If he can become that he would be worth a top 5 pick for sure. I'm terrified of his coverage at the next level though if he remains as a MLB.

Ask any Bucs fan how they feel about Devin White and they likely are disappointed. He gets picked on in coverage constantly but is great blitzing through gaps and is respectable against the run. Good motor, aggressive. He checks all the boxes. His athleticism sideline to sideline is amazing... but when QBs are throwing it over your head constantly or he's getting lost in his zone responsibility...That gets old quick. 

[Herr Doktor]

1 minute ago, Jesus said:

So is Parsons good at anything? Why is he projected in the top 10.

College freak athlete.  We see it every year.  Not saying he cannot do well in the NFL, but he's a college freak.  

[The Great American]

If we see Parson's weaknesses as untrained fans, then I think professional scouts will pick up on it too.  

[KRUNKuno]

28 minutes ago, xSICKxWITHxITx said:

Patrick Willis was good in coverage though and made Ints. I don't know much about Parsons, but apparently pass coverage isn't something hes great at.

He had 5 PDs last year.  From a LB position that’s okay with me.  In comparison, Zaven Collins is probably a first round LB this year who by all means excels in coverage.  He has 4ints and 2 PDs this year after having no ints and 2 PDs last year.  I think it’s more of a case of Parsons turning those PDs into INTs than him “not being good in coverage”
 

From what I’ve seen Parsons is usually in good position.  It’s not like he’s lost in coverage, and he has natural football instincts as well.

[Knight of God]

17 minutes ago, xSICKxWITHxITx said:

But what would he be? SLB on base and DE in passing situations? Is he that good to take that high especially if hes a situationaly player? I trust your opinion. 

That's just it man. I think he could play any of the above which is what has to happen in today's football. Move him around like Von Miller. I hear hes another 4.5 guy. Realistically, I like him best of any player we could get at 4, but I'm on the trade down train this year. If you can sit through it, watch one of his games. I forced my way through a few and he was good. Just try to wat h without comparing to any past player.

[Knight of God]

Just now, KRUNKuno said:

He had 5 PDs last year.  From a LB position that’s okay with me.  In comparison, Zaven Collins is probably a first round LB this year who by all means excels in coverage.  He has 4ints and 2 PDs this year after having no ints and 2 PDs last year.  I think it’s more of a case of Parsons turning those PDs into INTs than him “not being good in coverage”
 

From what I’ve seen Parsons is usually in good position.  It’s not like he’s lost in coverage, and he has natural football instincts as well.

99 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 6FF this year. 

[KRUNKuno]

19 minutes ago, PriMeTiiMe said:

If he can become that he would be worth a top 5 pick for sure. I'm terrified of his coverage at the next level though if he remains as a MLB.

Ask any Bucs fan how they feel about Devin White and they likely are disappointed. He gets picked on in coverage constantly but is great blitzing through gaps and is respectable against the run. Good motor, aggressive. He checks all the boxes. His athleticism sideline to sideline is amazing... but when QBs are throwing it over your head constantly or he's getting lost in his zone responsibility...That gets old quick. 

I’m willing to bet you haven’t really watched him play, and are just pointing out things based on what draft sites are saying. 

also, every scout is calling Parsons a generational talent.  Nobody ever said that about Devin White.
 

[PriMeTiiMe]

5 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said:

I’m willing to bet you haven’t really watched him play, and are just pointing out things based on what draft sites are saying. 

also, every scout is calling Parsons a generational talent.  Nobody ever said that about Devin White.
 

Ahh the old "you use draft sites" argument on a football message board. You don't know what I or anyone else has or has not watched so don't pretend you do.  

[ryanadonis]

Just go QB and start a new with this franchise.  

[JDaveG]

I said this in the other thread too, but “this middle linebacker doesn’t have polished pass rush moves” is not the most persuasive take. 

[thanat0s]

I admit I haven’t focused much on all the top defenders, but one guy I do know is Surtain. He gets my vote as of December 29th.