If we end up with a top 5 pick. Should we trade it to add picks

[lju713]

Miami has 2 picks in the 1st. I would love a QB to replace Matt. Im hoping somebody falls in love with a WR like Chase or D. Smith and give us a offer we cant refuse.

[Snafu]

This is just my opinion, but I think it's simple.

 

If the new staff wants to take one of the top QB's to groom behind Matt for a year, stay put.

If they don't want any of the QB's on the board, move back.

 

Bada-bing, bada-boom.

Edited December 15, 2020 by Snafu

[TheTrue7]

Yes! build the defense and draft a QB later.. groom him while the D develops. Then he’ll be given something MR hasn’t had the pleasure of having.. thus increasing his learning curve by getting the ball back to him

[JohnnyFranchise]

i feel like if our new gm traded down and loaded up on picks i would feel pretty good about the future of the franchise. would show that there's a building plan in place more than just "let's draft some stud college qb then we'll be good".

[octoslash]

14 minutes ago, JohnnyFranchise said:

i feel like if our new gm traded down and loaded up on picks i would feel pretty good about the future of the franchise. would show that there's a building plan in place more than just "let's draft some stud college qb then we'll be good".

Agreed.  This team has needs all over the field.

[JohnnyFranchise]

1 minute ago, octoslash said:

Agreed.  This team has needs all over the field.

yup.

i'm not saying don't draft a qb, i've said many times i want jones in the 2nd rd. but a new gm/coach loading up on rookies to groom and build up shows that there's a building plan in place.

[The Smart One]

It’s pretty simple. If the team thinks that one of the QBs available when they pick is their franchise QB of the future pull the trigger. If not trade back. Best not to get too cute. 

[Mr. Captain Falcon]

1 hour ago, TheTrue7 said:

Yes! build the defense and draft a QB later.. groom him while the D develops. Then he’ll be given something MR hasn’t had the pleasure of having.. thus increasing his learning curve by getting the ball back to him

Im genuinely curious but when has drafting later and 'grooming' a QB worked out in recent memory? 

[JetJones11]

42 minutes ago, JohnnyFranchise said:

yup.

i'm not saying don't draft a qb, i've said many times i want jones in the 2nd rd. but a new gm/coach loading up on rookies to groom and build up shows that there's a building plan in place.

Yeah let’s replace non mobile Matt Ryan with non mobile Mac Jones 

[celtiksage]

Yes. 

[TheTrue7]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Captain Falcon said:

Im genuinely curious but when has drafting later and 'grooming' a QB worked out in recent memory? 

Are you asking my definition of later? 

[jidady]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Captain Falcon said:

Im genuinely curious but when has drafting later and 'grooming' a QB worked out in recent memory? 

In 2016, Wentz and Goff went 1/2. Dak Prescott went 135.

In 2018, Baltimore took Hurst at #25 after Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, and Rosen all went in the top ten. They traded back up to #32 to get reigning MVP Lamar Jackson.

And Jacksonville famously took a punter in the third round with Russell Wilson still on the board. He went after RG3, Brandon Weeden, and Brock Osweiler,

[Ergo Proxy]

22 minutes ago, jidady said:

In 2016, Wentz and Goff went 1/2. Dak Prescott went 135.

In 2018, Baltimore took Hurst at #25 after Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, and Rosen all went in the top ten. They traded back up to #32 to get reigning MVP Lamar Jackson.

And Jacksonville famously took a punter in the third round with Russell Wilson still on the board. He went after RG3, Brandon Weeden, and Brock Osweiler,

Like, are people living under a rock?

What's key is...wait for it...a good franchise that can build a winner.

The Falcons have let Ryan down. Not the other way around.

These boards have always been prisoners of the moment and let media (click bait, flash for ratings storys and players) do their "thinking" for them.

What's dumb is, after 2016-2018; a 3 year stretch, of Ryan being arguably a top 1-2 (top 3 min) QB...they act like changing the scheme with Koetter didn't happen. Isn't reality. And, that changing to a better fit OC wouldn't get similar success and level of play out of Ryan.

Dude is healthy. He has never relied on physical traits as his primary means. And, his arm doesn't look any different. His confidence and comfort level in Koetter's system? Nope. He saw the highs with Kyle and doesn't trust the consistently low percentage style and bland way Dirk let's defenses key in on the pass; because they sure as HAIL ain't trying to stop the run or need to respect play action (not that we use it or motion pre/post snap anymore).

A new QB would be ruined by Dirk.

Fix the real problem. Get an heir in the near future, but don't pretend QB is "THE" problem with this team after a bad game or a bad stretch or even a down year. Best performing QB for Koetter ever was Ryan; he got production from a flip flop of Fitz and Jameis in 2018 but neither held the job.

Koetter has a run game above 24th in the league in yards ONE time since 2012 started. You bought a one dimensional, one trick OC; that got a better resume with Matt before, as a way to upgrade an offense that had a good pass game but was struggling running the ball?

Dumb.

[insight]

56 minutes ago, JohnnyFranchise said:

yup.

i'm not saying don't draft a qb, i've said many times i want jones in the 2nd rd. but a new gm/coach loading up on rookies to groom and build up shows that there's a building plan in place.

We already have plenty of young players on both sides of the ball. We don't need volume we need quality studs, difference makers, game changers, we need real STARS, not a bunch of picks that don't move the meter.  If there is a potential star QB available with the pick you got to take him and start building towards the future.  No coach is winning a superbowl with how this team is currently constructed. Too much money tied up in aging vets on the offensive side of the ball who are in decline. 

[celtiksage]

Trade down with Washington or Chicago if they want a QB. Two first rounders in 2022 and multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders this year (and probably 2022). And can still land a QB in the 2nd this year or wait until next year for our QB of the future.

We can turn this team around in 2 drafts.

[insight]

3 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Like, are people living under a rock?

What's key is...wait for it...a good franchise that can build a winner.

The Falcons have let Ryan down. Not the other way around.

These boards have always been prisoners of the moment and let media (click bait, flash for ratings storys and players) do their "thinking" for them.

What's dumb is, after 2016-2018; a 3 year stretch, of Ryan being arguably a top 1-2 (top 3 min) QB...they act like changing the scheme with Koetter didn't happen. Isn't reality. And, that changing to a better fit OC wouldn't get similar success and level of play out of Ryan.

Dude is healthy. He has never relied on physical traits as his primary means. And, his arm doesn't look any different. His confidence and comfort level in Koetter's system? Nope. He saw the highs with Kyle and doesn't trust the consistently low percentage style and bland way Dirk let's defenses key in on the pass; because they sure as HAIL ain't trying to stop the run or need to respect play action.

A new QB would be ruined by Dirk.

Fix the real problem. Get an heir in the near future, but don't pretend QB is "THE" problem with this team after a bad game or a bad stretch or even a down year. Best performing QB for Koetter ever was Ryan; he got production from a flip flop of Fitz and Jameis in 2018 but neither held the job.

Koetter has a run game above 24th in the league in yards ONE time since 2012 started. You bought a one dimensional, one trick OC; that got a better resume with Matt before, as a way to upgrade an offense that had a good pass game but was struggling running the ball?

Dumb.

The entire offense is full of 1st rounders and Matt get paid 35 million a year and you say the Falcons let him down.   You can't have a 100 million dollar QB and fill every hole, that's not how it works.  Do you really think Aaron Rodgers wouldn't help this team figure out how to win more the 4 games?

[Ergo Proxy]

You actually need to care more about the next GM and HC than who or when or where in a future draft the heir is taken.

Because, anyone that actually pays attention could see this team rebound with the right fit. Let an heir learn under a future HoF; since he ain't moving for another year anyway.

You don't "have" to take any QB just because they are there. That's just dumb making a decision based on sentiment.

[poutlipper]

 

Just now, insight said:

The entire offense is full of 1st rounders and Matt get paid 35 million a year and you say the Falcons let him down.   You can't have a 100 million dollar QB and fill every hole, that's not how it works.  Do you really think Aaron Rodgers wouldn't help this team figure out how to win more the 4 games?

We've got rims and a paint job, ****, we've even got the engine to make it work... but then you use Dirk Koetter to put it together and this is what you get.  

[insight]

Just now, celtiksage said:

Trade down with Washington or Chicago if they want a QB. Two first rounders in 2022 and multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders this year (and probably 2022). And can still land a QB in the 2nd this year or wait until next year for our QB of the future.

We can turn this team around in 2 drafts.

I,m confused, is it the coaching or the players or both.  I didn't hear people claim this team wasn't talented enough to make the playoffs before the season started but now it's a total rebuild? 

[octoslash]

5 minutes ago, insight said:

We already have plenty of young players on both sides of the ball. We don't need volume we need quality studs, difference makers, game changers, we need real STARS, not a bunch of picks that don't move the meter.  If there is a potential star QB available with the pick you got to take him and start building towards the future.  No coach is winning a superbowl with how this team is currently constructed. Too much money tied up in aging vets on the offensive side of the ball who are in decline. 

Self-contradict much?

[Ergo Proxy]

1 minute ago, insight said:

The entire offense is full of 1st rounders and Matt get paid 35 million a year and you say the Falcons let him down.   You can't have a 100 million dollar QB and fill every hole, that's not how it works.  Do you really think Aaron Rodgers wouldn't help this team figure out how to win more the 4 games?

Rodgers was a worse QB than Ryan for 5 years until he...wait for it...was put in the system Ryan won MVP under.

Again, you don't even read.

To you, freelance is in and coaching doesn't matter.

Keep posting.

[Ergo Proxy]

Just now, poutlipper said:

 

We've got rims and a paint job, ****, we've even got the engine to make it work... but then you use Dirk Koetter to put it together and this is what you get.  

No, we just have a QB problem.

Guys are always open. Our run game is KILLING it. We have THE offense...

[Ergo Proxy]

1 minute ago, octoslash said:

Self-contradict much?

Dude is all feel; no thought.

[jidady]

1 minute ago, poutlipper said:

 

We've got rims and a paint job, ****, we've even got the engine to make it work... but then you use Dirk Koetter to put it together and this is what you get.  

The person driving Atlanta's offense this season:

342 × 252

[insight]

1 minute ago, octoslash said:

Self-contradict much?

How?  we have plenty of young players but most of them are not studs.