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Listening to Sirius NFL radio yesterday and they were discussing the likely coaching changes after the season. On 'Moving The Chains' I heard them say that a "respected football guy" that has knowledge of the Eagles situation stated that you might have to add Doug Pederson's name to the list. In my opinion that would be a serious mistake caused by a temporary situation with the current QB. 

I'd love to see him him Red and Black. For the inevitable response of "Pass" I'd Like To Preemptively remind you that the guy won a Superbowl with a back up QB.

Wouldn't it be nice for the Falcons to finally take advantage of another teams' mistake?

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I wouldn’t be mad if we interviewed him, not saying he is the guy though. Leave no stone unturned. We zeroed in on Quinn and I am worried we are doing the same with Bienemy.

The GM left that team completely void of talent and Wentz has just fallen apart. Not saying Doug P doesn’t have a hand in their woes, but there are plenty of reasons for them falling apart. 

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31 minutes ago, slider said:

Listening to Sirius NFL radio yesterday and they were discussing the likely coaching changes after the season. On 'Moving The Chains' I heard them say that a "respected football guy" that has knowledge of the Eagles situation stated that you might have to add Doug Pederson's name to the list. In my opinion that would be a serious mistake caused by a temporary situation with the current QB. 

I'd love to see him him Red and Black. For the inevitable response of "Pass" I'd Like To Preemptively remind you that the guy won a Superbowl with a back up QB.

Wouldn't it be nice for the Falcons to finally take advantage of another teams' mistake?

Frank Reich won them the SB with Foles not Pederson. His flaws came out this season

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1 hour ago, 1989Fan said:

I wouldn’t be mad if we interviewed him, not saying he is the guy though. Leave no stone unturned. We zeroed in on Quinn and I am worried we are doing the same with Bienemy.

The GM left that team completely void of talent and Wentz has just fallen apart. Not saying Doug P doesn’t have a hand in their woes, but there are plenty of reasons for them falling apart. 

The Falcons keep going down that road of hiring coordinators with no HC experience and expecting a different outcome. The last guy they had with NFL HC experience was Dan Reeves, They need someone whose been there and done that. I'm tired of watching these guys make rookie HC mistakes hoping they'll learn. They seem to never learn in the few years they're given to win.

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Ex coordinator - Goes to new team and has immediate success based on the strength of another coordinator.. that coordinator leaves and team goes into a nose dive with the aspect of the team the HC used to coordinate becoming total garbage. 

He sounds way too much like the OC version of the Dan Quinn story.

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2 hours ago, Ovie_Lover said:

**** no. Frank Reich was the reason they won that title. The offense hasn’t been nearly the same since he left. He was the mastermind behind that entire playoff run for them. 

The HC didn't screw it up! I give him credit for that. Jim Mora, Jr., Patrino, Mike Smith and Dan Quinn all had something in common, they screwed up a good thing by either interfering with or being too passive at critical moments. HC experience and having made those mistakes as HC in the past would possibly have been a critical difference in the outcome of a couple of SB runs for the Falcons in my opinion. I'm not sure DQ will ever change, he'll tell you he won't as a matter of fact. 

Funny how it always seems to be someone else other than the HC that gets the credit but all the blame goes to the HC. The 2 best qualities of an HC are the ability to coach his coaches and manage a game and rookie HC's are painfully slow at gaining the confidence to do either of those.

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20 minutes ago, Spts1 said:

People see a big name and jump on it.  Harbaugh and now Pederson...

HC experience matters. Pederson has proven to be a good HC. All these people calling for unproven guys that are coordinators and have a far different job description from an HC are doing the same thing. The latest, greatest name that has benefitted from their situation on a good team with great players and unknown and possibly nonexistent skills that correlate to the HC position. Are we going to toss the coin again on one of these guys and hope they can learn to be HC's? Hasn't worked yet! Seems to me QB coaches and Special Teams coordinators make the best HC's. They don't get married to one way of playing the game. They seem to be able to morph their playing philosophy for the personnel available. I just think that hiring the latest greatest coordinator has proven to be folly.

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1 hour ago, slider said:

The Falcons keep going down that road of hiring coordinators with no HC experience and expecting a different outcome. The last guy they had with NFL HC experience was Dan Reeves, They need someone whose been there and done that. I'm tired of watching these guys make rookie HC mistakes hoping they'll learn. They seem to never learn in the few years they're given to win.

if they've been there done that, then why are they available?

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6 minutes ago, slider said:

HC experience matters. Pederson has proven to be a good HC. All these people calling for unproven guys that are coordinators and have a far different job description from an HC are doing the same thing. The latest, greatest name that has benefitted from their situation on a good team with great players and unknown and possibly nonexistent skills that correlate to the HC position. Are we going to toss the coin again on one of these guys and hope they can learn to be HC's? Hasn't worked yet! Seems to me QB coaches and Special Teams coordinators make the best HC's. They don't get married to one way of playing the game. They seem to be able to morph their playing philosophy for the personnel available. I just think that hiring the latest greatest coordinator has proven to be folly.

you look around the league at all the teams that are becoming successful its mostly with "unproven", young offensive minds.  Shanahan, Nagy, McVay, Kingsbury, Stefanski, Lafleur.

I don't think Pederson is a bad choice but that doesn't mean getting an "unproven" guy is a mistake.  I personally want Joe Brady or Mike McDaniel...or both.  Make Joe Brady the head coach and make McDaniel the OC/run game coordinator.

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1 hour ago, TheUsualStuff said:

Ex coordinator - Goes to new team and has immediate success based on the strength of another coordinator.. that coordinator leaves and team goes into a nose dive with the aspect of the team the HC used to coordinate becoming total garbage. 

He sounds way too much like the OC version of the Dan Quinn story.

This is why the rationale behind having to hire and offensive minded head coach because of continuity goes out the window. It’s always a brain trust that puts together a great unit not one guy. And if you’re good, your support staff is going to get poached.

Rams are another example. That offense, and Goff took a hit last year when McVay lost Zac Taylor.

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So... you want Matt Ryan, who people are already complaining about, to look more like Carson Wentz.... who was just benched for having the worst season of his career under Pederson's coaching?   No thanks.  He had one great season as a head coach and the rest has been mediocre.   His career looks a lot like Quinn's.

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10 minutes ago, abcranford2 said:

you look around the league at all the teams that are becoming successful its mostly with "unproven", young offensive minds.  Shanahan, Nagy, McVay, Kingsbury, Stefanski, Lafleur.

I don't think Pederson is a bad choice but that doesn't mean getting an "unproven" guy is a mistake.  I personally want Joe Brady or Mike McDaniel...or both.  Make Joe Brady the head coach and make McDaniel the OC/run game coordinator.

Not that this means anything but just something I noticed from your list, how many of these guys actually played in the league and how many are from coaching families and were groomed as coaches from childhood? Maybe something to that! Just an observation.

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We need to hire a HC who can demonstrate the ability to analyze players strengths and weaknesses and create a plan that makes a team of players proficient.  The only way to know who can do this is in an interview.  I would have this guy on the board drawing up plays as he is answering questions.  I would throw him a few challenges.  I would surprise him with something.  I would determine if he studied the Falcons before the interview.  I would make him comfortable.  Then, I would make him uncomfortable.  I would know this man before the interview was completed. 

I would also know what the warning signs were.  A single statement that contained "This has always worked for me.", or "Back in '02 we were running this and no one could stop it", would quickly end the interview. 

I would be looking for the guy who could offer a potential high level plan but would admit that he needed to know these players and coaches before adding the specific details. 

The short of it.  I would be looking for the guy who had a well devised methodology and knew that much work had to be done before all the questions could be answered.

Bull****ters need not apply.  (Sorry Sexy Rexy).

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9 hours ago, slider said:

The Falcons keep going down that road of hiring coordinators with no HC experience and expecting a different outcome. The last guy they had with NFL HC experience was Dan Reeves, They need someone whose been there and done that. I'm tired of watching these guys make rookie HC mistakes hoping they'll learn. They seem to never learn in the few years they're given to win.

Every coach was unproven at one point and Dan Reeves had 2 winning seasons in 7 years.

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