Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 16 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said: Lol you straight up contradicted your own argument in 3 sentences Sure if you have no idea what a contradiction is. And you don't. Seems that a bunch of the people on TAFT don't either. Osiruz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 16 hours ago, Osiruz said: Matt Ryan looks like he always has against the saints, timid, holds on eternally to the football, and too scared to throw into tight windows. I get it that the routes ran by the wr are terrible, but you gotta take risks and stop playing wimpy cutesy teenage girl football. Gotta hit those WR in stide, and you gotta fit the ball into tight windows. Well you will get the heat. They will blame someone else for Ryan. I wonder how they will harmonize several rookies already out doing Matt Ryan. Will they claim the Chargers, and Bengals are better teams with better coaches as well? But hey, we can poke at them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JD dirtybird21 22,440 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said: Sure if you have no idea what a contradiction is. And you don't. Seems that a bunch of the people on TAFT don't either. Lol JohnnyFranchise and ya_boi_j 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 16 hours ago, Osiruz said: Matt Ryan looks like he always has against the saints, timid, holds on eternally to the football, and too scared to throw into tight windows. I get it that the routes ran by the wr are terrible, but you gotta take risks and stop playing wimpy cutesy teenage girl football. Gotta hit those WR in stide, and you gotta fit the ball into tight windows. Also this is more evidence that Ryan needs things to be perfect to succeed. Someone commented that you made a contradiction. But you gave a caveat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, JD dirtybird21 said: Lol Funny right. You confused a caveat with a contradiction. But hey, we all make mistakes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JD dirtybird21 22,440 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said: Funny right. You confused a caveat with a contradiction. But hey, we all make mistakes. Whatever you say sunshine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 16 hours ago, ROMERO said: We need a new OC. Didn't you guys use the same tired excuse with Mulark, Shanny, Sark, and now Koetter? Also will he need more time to "adjust" with the new OC anyway? Really, what is the point? It might be me, but I see a common denominator between them. sappy1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, JD dirtybird21 said: Whatever you say sunshine No problem snowflake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JD dirtybird21 22,440 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said: Sure if you have no idea what a contradiction is. And you don't. Seems that a bunch of the people on TAFT don't either. 17 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said: Well you will get the heat. They will blame someone else for Ryan. I wonder how they will harmonize several rookies already out doing Matt Ryan. Will they claim the Chargers, and Bengals are better teams with better coaches as well? But hey, we can poke at them. The funny thing here is you’re trying to talk like you’re the smartest guy in the room...but both of these posts are laughably bad both logically and grammatically JohnnyFranchise 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 39,415 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said: It might be me ..... The first ‘intellectually honest’ thing you’ve posted in this thread. JohnnyFranchise and AUTiger7222 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, JD dirtybird21 said: The funny thing here is you’re trying to talk like you’re the smartest guy in the room...but both of these posts are laughably bad both logically and grammatically If they are, I bet you can't point out the fallacies. Simply saying they are wrong is not "logic". So what is my fallacy and how did I make it? I'll wait. I predict by the end of the day, you still won't be able to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Vandy said: The first ‘intellectually honest’ thing you’ve posted in this thread. What is your epistemology for "intellectual honesty"? Maybe you can google epistemology. You also might want to cover up. Your butthurt is showing. Edited November 23, 2020 by Intellectually Honest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Friendly Folk 1,469 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Domed Outter said: Get rid of Koetter. Take a good look at those so-called routes these guys are running. They have a juke or two then fail to run to a spot that’s open. They don’t finish routes. There is no precision or sharpness in these routes that seek to deceive the defender in order to get open. And to be truthful, Ryan is not able to read and find the open window in time to make the connection. The defender is on the receiver before the ball gets there. The best passing games have a system where the QB throws the ball right at the time a receiver makes a cut and he throws to that spot before he gets there. That never happens in this offense. Ryan waits to find a guy open and then throws and then it’s too late. Dan Marino in his day could do that. None better at threading a needle. Ryan can’t. And all the arguments about Matt not having time? C’mon, it’s the NFL. The days of a seven step drop and a pocket of protection forming neatly around the QB are ancient history. Good NFL defenses are too complex and sophisticated now that you have about 3 seconds under intense pressure to release the ball, unless you have a QB that has escapability to buy time. Drew Brees is the best I’ve ever seen at doing that. Matt doesn’t. So he’s got three seconds with an inconsistent OL. So create open spots for him Mr. Koetter. What’s happening is Ryan has three seconds available and his receivers are running 5 second routes. Do the math. On that subject, it seems there is never a safety dump underneath available to Ryan to bail to when he can’t find an open guy. The RB just takes the fake on the PA and stops. What I’m saying in all this is that it is a total system failure. All the moving parts are not working. The design and execution are flawed. Edited November 23, 2020 by Screaming Brave AUTiger7222 and Domed Outter 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JD dirtybird21 22,440 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said: What is your epistemology for "intellectual honesty"? Maybe you can google epistemology. Oh boy @Vandy...we fired up this one. Vandy and JohnnyFranchise 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, JD dirtybird21 said: Oh boy @Vandy...we fired up this one. Still waiting for you to point out those fallacies I made. Those fallacies I made, if they exist, won't point themselves out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 39,415 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said: What is your epistemology for "intellectual honesty"? Maybe you can google epistemology. You also might want to cover up. Your butthurt is showing. 🤪 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTrue7 5,316 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said: Oh boy @Vandy...we fired up this one. So much so that she has been busy on the board spreading her “honesty” in **** near every thread. Weird the timing huh.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 65,857 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 As bad as y’all want Ryan gone, you’re likely gonna be crying your hearts out when his replacement isn’t leading the team to success for the first few years. Realsurfin and AUTiger7222 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconMama 3,514 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Osiruz said: What's matt Ryan's record vs saints? 9-15 I think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTrue7 5,316 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, FalconMama said: 9-15 While averaging close to 300 yards passing and 43 TDs/ 16 INTs.. AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NCFalconfan 9,646 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Patrick Mahomes wouldn't have had a good day in our offense yesterday. Our play design is laughable. I know Kansas City is loaded player personnel wise but watch their play design and compare it with ours. They are running advanced trigonometry and we're stuck in remedial math. JohnnyFranchise 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AvidFalconFan 133 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I've supported Matt Ryan long enough. It's time to move on. Matt has seen his best days here and the Falcons need new energy at the QB position. Is the OL the cause? Some of the blame can be directed there but Matt holds on to the ball way too long and simply does not have the needed mobility to turn a bad play into a good play. He cannot extend plays or escape pressure. We somehow need to move on from Matt. Also need to let Julio go. He can't stay healthy. As tough as it is to say it again, it's time for a rebuild. This team is going nowhere until it realizes the current group of players cannot get the job done. AB needs to stay out of the picture and let his GM and new coach run the show. Also get Rich Mckay as far away from the team as possible. Let the new GM call all the shots. If the organization continues with AB and McKay meddling in all the team decisions...then no new coach or GM will ever succeed here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 996 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, AvidFalconFan said: I've supported Matt Ryan long enough. It's time to move on. Matt has seen his best days here and the Falcons need new energy at the QB position. Is the OL the cause? Some of the blame can be directed there but Matt holds on to the ball way too long and simply does not have the needed mobility to turn a bad play into a good play. He cannot extend plays or escape pressure. We somehow need to move on from Matt. Also need to let Julio go. He can't stay healthy. As tough as it is to say it again, it's time for a rebuild. This team is going nowhere until it realizes the current group of players cannot get the job done. AB needs to stay out of the picture and let his GM and new coach run the show. Also get Rich Mckay as far away from the team as possible. Let the new GM call all the shots. If the organization continues with AB and McKay meddling in all the team decisions...then no new coach or GM will ever succeed here. Some times it sucks when confronted with observation. Our fandom can get in the way of reality. The rebuild is going to be tough, especially with the cap issues. I think fans on all sides are seeing this. Whether we see Matt as a problem or not, we are stuck with him till the cap situation settles. I never thought Ryan sucked. But I always doubted he could lead us to a SB. When he got us there years ago, I started reconsidering my position on him, but reality showed it's ugly head. I realized that Ryan, as good as he is, needs a perfect situation to even sniff a SB. Problem is, it will never be perfect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheUsualStuff 5,162 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I can't wait until Matt is actually gone and TATF realizes you can't just pull a Patrick Mahomee or Russell Wilson out of your butt every draft year. Talking about the performance of other young QB's across the league, not one of them is operating behind this LOS, with no running game, without their #1 receiver, using Dirk Koetter's offense. Geneaut, JohnnyFranchise, AUTiger7222 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spts1 6,615 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 18 hours ago, Osiruz said: Matt Ryan looks like he always has against the saints, timid, holds on eternally to the football, and too scared to throw into tight windows. I get it that the routes ran by the wr are terrible, but you gotta take risks and stop playing wimpy cutesy teenage girl football. Gotta hit those WR in stide, and you gotta fit the ball into tight windows. Wow. This EXACT same question was raised seven years ago on redditt... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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