I hope Michigan runs Harbaugh out of town and right into Atlanta

[Ovie_Lover 29,583]

13 hours ago, A Dog Named Brian said:

I want the best person for the job that keeps us in the mix every year to win it all, Blank does too. 
 

Harbaugh ain’t that guy 

No one but Bellichek is that guy

[Ovie_Lover 29,583]

13 hours ago, DonOfThemBirds said:

 

The Niners started declining Harbaugh's last season. They went 8-8, but they clearly weren't a good team and plenty of things were going on behind the scenes.

That should speak to his coaching ability to get a bad team with drama to 8-8

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1 minute ago, Ovie_Lover said:

I mean his worst season was 8-8

 

True, but they lost 4 straight of their last 5 games that season.

 

I wish we had more details about what went on between Harbaugh and SF's FO/ownership. We know something happened but the actual facts has been one of the best kept secrets of the NFL. Owners just don't give up on HC's who've had that much success that early so quickly.

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2 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said:

That should speak to his coaching ability to get a bad team with drama to 8-8

They should've made the playoffs that season, but they dropped 4 straight of their last 5 games.

[DonOfThemBirds 18,465]

 

With what happened to Harbaugh in SF, don't be surprised if he looks for an NFL team willing to hire him as a HC with GM(especially final say so over personnel) duties.

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Absolutely no one should be taken off the table.  

I am not a Harbaugh fan, but I have to admit that if he took over the team, made the most of his personnel and won championships, I would easily put up with his abrasive personality.  

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3 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Oh I’m not saying it’s MY concern, I’m just saying it could be why so many fans are writing him off. I think hiring Harbaugh with this current roster would be a no brainer

As I pointed out, if Harbaugh was coming straight here from the 49ers the tune on this message board about him would be 180 degrees the other way. But now Michigan is all that matters and the 49ers job is meaningless despite how different coaching in college and the NFL is.

[AUTiger7222 6,712]

58 minutes ago, celtiksage said:

I'd be more inclined to go with Bob Stoops, Brian Kelly or Jimbo Fisher if we could lure them out of the college ranks.

[Snafu 6,834]

2 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

As I pointed out, if Harbaugh was coming straight here from the 49ers the tune on this message board about him would be 180 degrees the other way. But now Michigan is all that matters and the 49ers job is meaningless despite how different coaching in college and the NFL is.

This.

 

I think people forget how big of a joke SF was before he got there, then how big of a joke they were after he was ran off.

 

2003	2003	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	7	9	0			Dennis Erickson
2004	2004	NFL	NFC	West	4th	2	14	0
2005	2005	NFL	NFC	West	4th	4	12	0			Mike Nolan
2006	2006	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	7	9	0
2007	2007	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	5	11	0		Patrick Willis (DROY)
2008	2008	NFL	NFC	West	2nd	7	9	0			Mike Nolan (2–5) Mike Singletary (5–4)
2009	2009	NFL	NFC	West	2nd	8	8	0			Mike Singletary
2010	2010	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	6	10	0			Mike Singletary (5–10) Jim Tomsula (1–0)
2011	2011	NFL	NFC	West^	1st^	13	3	0	Won Divisional Playoffs (Saints) 36–32 Lost NFC Championship (Giants) 20–17 (OT)	Jim Harbaugh (COY)	Jim Harbaugh
2012	2012	NFL	NFC*	West^	1st^	11	4	1	Won Divisional Playoffs (Packers) 45–31 Won NFC Championship (at Falcons) 28–24 Lost Super Bowl XLVII (vs. Ravens) 34–31
2013	2013	NFL	NFC	West	2nd#	12	4	0	Won Wild Card Playoffs (at Packers) 23–20 Won Divisional Playoffs (at Panthers) 23–10 Lost NFC Championship (at Seahawks) 23–17
2014	2014	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	8	8	0
2015	2015	NFL	NFC	West	4th	5	11	0		Anquan Boldin (MOY)	Jim Tomsula
2016	2016	NFL	NFC	West	4th	2	14	0			Chip Kelly
2017	2017	NFL	NFC	West	4th	6	10	0			Kyle Shanahan
2018	2018	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	4	12	0

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3 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

How is Harbaugh a terrible candidate?

I don’t know if Harbaugh is or isn’t a terrible candidate but if he is terrible, there’s a chance he could be like Lovie Smith where he was good enough to win for a while but then the NFL passed him by. 

[AUTiger7222 6,712]

1 minute ago, Snafu said:

This.

 

I think people forget how big of a joke SF was before he got there, then how big of a joke they were after he was ran off.

 

2003	2003	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	7	9	0			Dennis Erickson
2004	2004	NFL	NFC	West	4th	2	14	0
2005	2005	NFL	NFC	West	4th	4	12	0			Mike Nolan
2006	2006	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	7	9	0
2007	2007	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	5	11	0		Patrick Willis (DROY)
2008	2008	NFL	NFC	West	2nd	7	9	0			Mike Nolan (2–5) Mike Singletary (5–4)
2009	2009	NFL	NFC	West	2nd	8	8	0			Mike Singletary
2010	2010	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	6	10	0			Mike Singletary (5–10) Jim Tomsula (1–0)
2011	2011	NFL	NFC	West^	1st^	13	3	0	Won Divisional Playoffs (Saints) 36–32 Lost NFC Championship (Giants) 20–17 (OT)	Jim Harbaugh (COY)	Jim Harbaugh
2012	2012	NFL	NFC*	West^	1st^	11	4	1	Won Divisional Playoffs (Packers) 45–31 Won NFC Championship (at Falcons) 28–24 Lost Super Bowl XLVII (vs. Ravens) 34–31
2013	2013	NFL	NFC	West	2nd#	12	4	0	Won Wild Card Playoffs (at Packers) 23–20 Won Divisional Playoffs (at Panthers) 23–10 Lost NFC Championship (at Seahawks) 23–17
2014	2014	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	8	8	0
2015	2015	NFL	NFC	West	4th	5	11	0		Anquan Boldin (MOY)	Jim Tomsula
2016	2016	NFL	NFC	West	4th	2	14	0			Chip Kelly
2017	2017	NFL	NFC	West	4th	6	10	0			Kyle Shanahan
2018	2018	NFL	NFC	West	3rd	4	12	0

Exactly. No one else could win there and Harbaugh did.

I don't understand why people are worried that he may not last longer than 3 or 4 years before the bottom falls out. As @JD dirtybird21 has correctly pointed out, we only have 3 or 4 years left with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and we need a coach that can come in and win immediately and Harbaugh will do that. The 49ers job proved that. Even at Michigan he won early there before things went south. Give us 3 or 4 years with Harbaugh and it's our best shot at winning a Super Bowl. Then you blow it all up, hire a new coach and draft a new franchise QB and let them grow up together.

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9 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

As I pointed out, if Harbaugh was coming straight here from the 49ers the tune on this message board about him would be 180 degrees the other way. But now Michigan is all that matters and the 49ers job is meaningless despite how different coaching in college and the NFL is.

 

Wasn't Michigan already terrible before he got there?

[DonOfThemBirds 18,465]

4 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

Exactly. No one else could win there and Harbaugh did.

I don't understand why people are worried that he may not last longer than 3 or 4 years before the bottom falls out. As @JD dirtybird21 has correctly pointed out, we only have 3 or 4 years left with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and we need a coach that can come in and win immediately and Harbaugh will do that. The 49ers job proved that. Even at Michigan he won early there before things went south. Give us 3 or 4 years with Harbaugh and it's our best shot at winning a Super Bowl. Then you blow it all up, hire a new coach and draft a new franchise QB and let them grow up together.

 

If Harbaugh was to win a SB with Ryan, then I would let him stay and groom Ryan's replacement and see if the Falcons remain competitive.

[AUTiger7222 6,712]

7 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said:

Wasn't Michigan already terrible before he got there?

Yes. Michigan was terrible for quite a long time under Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke. In the 7 years from 2008-2014 they went only 46-42. That run included an 11-2 season. They never won more than 8 games in any other year of that run and had seasons of 3 wins, 5 wins and 5 wins. In fact, take out the 11-2 season and their record from 2008-2014 was 35-40. Harbaugh took over in 2015 and immediately doubled their win total from 5 to 10. For as "terrible" as Harbaugh has been at Michigan, his record there is 48-21 and he's won 10 games in a season 3 times. His problem is they haven't beat Ohio State and are 1-4 in bowl games. Michigan is a program where they don't care how many games you win if you don't beat Ohio State.

[AUTiger7222 6,712]

7 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said:

 

f Harbaugh was to win a SB with Ryan, then I would let him stay and groom Ryan's replacement and see if the Falcons remain competitive.

You could do that too.

[DonOfThemBirds 18,465]

5 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

Yes. Michigan was terrible for quite a long time under Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke. In the 7 years from 2008-2014 they went only 46-42. That run included an 11-2 season. They never won more than 8 games in any other year of that run and had seasons of 3 wins, 5 wins and 5 wins. In fact, take out the 11-2 season and their record from 2008-2014 was 35-40. Harbaugh took over in 2015 and immediately doubled their win total from 5 to 10. For as "terrible" as Harbaugh has been at Michigan, his record there is 48-21 and he's won 10 games in a season 3 times. His problem is they haven't beat Ohio State and are 1-4 in bowl games. Michigan is a program where they don't care how many games you win if you don't beat Ohio State.

 

Oh, I thought that Harbaugh had a losing record at Michigan. Haven't really been following him, but Michigan fans after like he was terrible.

 

Yeah, beating Ohio State is the end all be all for Michigan and their alumni. About as close to winning a National Championship for them.

[Summerhill 1,640]

38 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said:

True, but they lost 4 straight of their last 5 games that season.

I wish we had more details about what went on between Harbaugh and SF's FO/ownership. We know something happened but the actual facts has been one of the best kept secrets of the NFL. Owners just don't give up on HC's who've had that much success that early so quickly.

I posted in the Harbaugh thread from last week with more detail the gist of it is almost all the best players on those good teams were drafted by a previous GM before Harbaugh. The new GM and Harbaugh didn’t draft as well and eventually when all the old good players were on the cusp of falling apart, the new GM forced out Harbaugh in a power struggle until it was obvious he was a wreck in his own right once Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly flamed out. 

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52 minutes ago, etherdome said:

Absolutely no one should be taken off the table.  

I am not a Harbaugh fan, but I have to admit that if he took over the team, made the most of his personnel and won championships, I would easily put up with his abrasive personality.  

Yea, we as fans should care about wins. Not about how cool of a person the coach is. Pete Carroll has always come off as a slimy, sketchy, cheating a-hole to me. Same with Sean Payton. I guarantee both fan bases don’t care at all 

[VTCrunkler 9,112]

2 hours ago, athell said:

I threw up a little in my mouth...

Plus I can't get behind a guy THAT into khaki's.

What you got against Jake from Statefarm?

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15 hours ago, Em_Jae20 said:

I wouldn't mind if he's on the list but definitely not at our near the top.  Like you said in your OP Arthur Smith should get a hard look waaaaaaayyy before Harbaugh.

So should Joe Brady what he is doing today against Tampa is very very impressive 

[Smiler11 6,204]

5 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

How is Harbaugh a terrible candidate?

Harbaugh has been out of the NFL for 7 years, which is a lifetime in NFL terms. He had success with the 49ers and I guess that is what people are hanging their hat on, but looking back how much of that success was down to the defensive talent assembled by the previous regime that he had at his disposable and his coordinators Vic Fangio and Greg Roman? 

Those 6, going on 7 years at Michigan, given all the resources that have been made available to him, has been at worst an abject failure and at best well below expectations. During his tenure, Michigan are 37-5 vs. unranked teams, 7-12 vs. ranked BIG 10 teams and 11-16 vs. ranked teams. He holds a rather unceremonious record of never winning a game where Michigan were deemed underdogs by the bookies. Given his background is on the offensive side of the ball, Michigan's offense has been stagnant, out-dated and continuously failed to get the most out of talented offensive prospects, handpicked by Harbaugh himself. 

Outside of having NFL experience as a head coach and being a disciplinarian, I fail to see what he'll bring to any NFL franchise.

I'll reiterate the quote from the original post and leave it there:

"“It’s a legitimate question,” an NFL executive said, via Yahoo Sports. “He can’t quite get it fixed there at Michigan. When you leave a place in the NFL, if you have any scars, they’ll get you. And when he left San Francisco, it was scorched earth.”

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1 minute ago, Smiler11 said:

Harbaugh has been out of the NFL for 7 years, which is a lifetime in NFL terms. He had success with the 49ers and I guess that is what people are hanging their hat on, but looking back how much of that success was down to the defensive talent he had at his disposable and his coordinators Vic Fangio and Greg Roman? 

Those 6, going on 7 years at Michigan, given all the resources that have been made available to him, has been at worst an abject failure and at best well below expectations. During his tenure, Michigan are 37-5 vs. unranked teams, 7-12 vs. ranked BIG 10 teams and 11-16 vs. ranked teams. He holds a rather unceremonious record of never winning a game where Michigan were deemed underdogs by the bookies. Given his background is on the offensive side of the ball, Michigan's offense has been stagnant, out-dated and continuously failed to get the most out of talented offensive prospects, handpicked by Harbaugh himself. 

Outside of having NFL experience as a head coach and being a disciplinarian, I fail to see what he'll bring to any NFL franchise.

I'll reiterate the quote from the original post and leave it there:

"“It’s a legitimate question,” an NFL executive said, via Yahoo Sports. “He can’t quite get it fixed there at Michigan. When you leave a place in the NFL, if you have any scars, they’ll get you. And when he left San Francisco, it was scorched earth.”

I mean...Dick Vermeil was out of the NFL for 15 years, then he won the SB. 

And sure, maybe Harbaugh’s success can be drawn to Roman and Fangio. He hired them, he deserves the credit. Head coaches don’t run it on their own. They assemble the right teams to set players up for success. Using your logic is like suggesting that Singletary should have won or Tomsula should have won. They didn’t. Harbaugh did. 

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1 minute ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

I mean...**** Vermeil was out of the NFL for 15 years, then he won the SB. 

And sure, maybe Harbaugh’s success can be drawn to Roman and Fangio. He hired them, he deserves the credit. Head coaches don’t run it on their own. They assemble the right teams to set players up for success. Using your logic is like suggesting that Singletary should have won or Tomsula should have won. They didn’t. Harbaugh did. 

Harbaugh won and yet they still couldn't wait to get rid of him.

And as we've seen DQ hired Kyle Shanahan who's coat-tails he was able to ride to the cusp of a ring. He wasn't able to replicate that since. Just like Harbaugh hasn't been able to replicate that same success he had with Roman and Fangio.

If we're going to hire a head coach who's success is largely dependent on the coordinators around him, then we might as well have kept DQ.

 

[1989Fan 15,415]

3 hours ago, Ovie_Lover said:

Who retired because he was fired? 

I would like to know this too.

[JD dirtybird21 22,440]

17 minutes ago, Smiler11 said:

Harbaugh won and yet they still couldn't wait to get rid of him.

And as we've seen DQ hired Kyle Shanahan who's coat-tails he was able to ride to the cusp of a ring. He wasn't able to replicate that since. Just like Harbaugh hasn't been able to replicate that same success he had with Roman and Fangio.

If we're going to hire a head coach who's success is largely dependent on the coordinators around him, then we might as well have kept DQ.

 

Harbaugh went 28-11 in his first 3 years at Michigan. So I’m not sure I agree with your stance that he couldn’t replicate his success.

Look at Harbaughs overall body of work. The commonality is that EVERYWHERE he’s coached, he’s won almost instantly. But his success fades usually after 3-4 years. That’s who he is. He’s a good short term investment coach. That has never changed