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Posted these facts in another thread but I feel this is relevant to our situation. We need to take a page out of the Dolphins’ playbook and completely revamp our roster.

As many of you know my best friend is a Dolphins fan. I’ve watched every single Miami game this season, and a bulk majority of last season. Since Flores took over they have gone through a MAJOR roster churn. They traded both Fitzpatrick and Tunsil for picks. During this roster churn Miami also used 84 different players last season before starting to hit a stride.

I don’t know the exact numbers but there is a very low number of players that are still there from the Gase regime. Just from 2018 to 2019 there was over 60% roster churn. Taking a look at Gase’s final year roster vs Flores current year roster and it’s almost completely different. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Miami_Dolphins_season

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Miami_Dolphins_season

Point is that sacrifices were made and there were no “sacred cows”. The Dolphins did what needed to be done and it’s starting to paying off. People looked at it like a “tank job” but it was finding the right players to change the culture. Which is what I’ve been advocating for since last year. Taking a step backwards so you can take two forward. 

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Easy to say no sacred cows, especially when they had no cows to begin with.. 

They trade away Tannehill and he turns into a Pro Bowler.  Same for Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins problems were primarily coaching related and a revolving door in the front office.  Look at Gase in NY.  A

They trade away Tannehill and he turns into a Pro Bowler.  Same for Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins problems were primarily coaching related and a revolving door in the front office.  Look at Gase in NY.  A promising QB prospect in Darnold is on the verge of busting.  I don't think a full blown reset is the answer.

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2 minutes ago, autigerfan said:

They trade away Tannehill and he turns into a Pro Bowler.  Same for Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins problems were primarily coaching related and a revolving door in the front office.  Look at Gase in NY.  A promising QB prospect in Darnold is on the verge of busting.  I don't think a full blown reset is the answer.

This. Literally almost every player that had decent potential in Miami while Gase was there are doing much better now that he’s gone from there. 

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35 minutes ago, autigerfan said:

They trade away Tannehill and he turns into a Pro Bowler.  Same for Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins problems were primarily coaching related and a revolving door in the front office.  Look at Gase in NY.  A promising QB prospect in Darnold is on the verge of busting.  I don't think a full blown reset is the answer.

Exactly. People say that but it can turn around very quickly in the NFL. I look at the Packers late in Brett Favre's career. In 2005 they won only 4 games. Coaching change and overhaul and two years later in 2007 they hosted the NFC Championship Game with much the same roster.

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7 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

Exactly. People say that but it can turn around very quickly in the NFL. I look at the Packers late in Brett Favre's career. In 2005 they won only 4 games. Coaching change and overhaul and two years later in 2007 they hosted the NFC Championship Game with much the same roster.

Honestly look at the 07 vs the 08 Falcons.

There were key improvements (Ryan, Turner, Baker)

But most of the offense was the same.

The offensive line went from giving up 50 sacks to giving up 17.

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The main difference is Miami got rid of players who were still on their rookie contracts and thus weren't making a lot of money and didn't have significant cap figures. The Falcons have a roster really bloated with players on expensive second contracts with huge cap charges. They can't just dump all their big players without consequences. 

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1 hour ago, Sidecar Falcon said:

Posted these facts in another thread but I feel this is relevant to our situation. We need to take a page out of the Dolphins’ playbook and completely revamp our roster.

As many of you know my best friend is a Dolphins fan. I’ve watched every single Miami game this season, and a bulk majority of last season. Since Flores took over they have gone through a MAJOR roster churn. They traded both Fitzpatrick and Tunsil for picks. During this roster churn Miami also used 84 different players last season before starting to hit a stride.

I don’t know the exact numbers but there is a very low number of players that are still there from the Gase regime. Just from 2018 to 2019 there was over 60% roster churn. Taking a look at Gase’s final year roster vs Flores current year roster and it’s almost completely different. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Miami_Dolphins_season

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Miami_Dolphins_season

Point is that sacrifices were made and there were no “sacred cows”. The Dolphins did what needed to be done and it’s starting to paying off. People looked at it like a “tank job” but it was finding the right players to change the culture. Which is what I’ve been advocating for since last year. Taking a step backwards so you can take two forward. 

Part of our problem was trying to replicate other teams. NE, SEA, GB, you name it. We don’t need to copy anymore teams. Definitely not MIA. Just need to fix this one.
 

Find the right GM and HC. Keep Ryan and Julio until moving them doesn’t hurt our already tenuous cap table. Cut a few players to free up some cap space.
 

Add a DE, DT, FS, LG and RB in the draft. Keep an eye open for Julio and Ryan’s replacements in the next two drafts and never tank. Ever.

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I follow the Dolphins as a secondary team since my first rec team I played for was the Dolphins, and I can honestly say, they didn't need to ship off everyone the way they did. Minkah was disgruntled, and made sense to trade, but they certainly could've paid Tunsil and been just fine. They did get a boatload of picks though for Tunsil, which I don't think anyone would've turned down.

Coaching was the problem in Miami. Flores is turning that ship around and hopefully Tua is the answer at QB for a while.

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19 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Part of our problem was trying to replicate other teams. NE, SEA, GB, you name it. We don’t need to copy anymore teams. Definitely not MIA. Just need to fix this one.
 

Find the right GM and HC. Keep Ryan and Julio until moving them doesn’t hurt our already tenuous cap table. Cut a few players to free up some cap space.
 

Add a DE, DT, FS, LG and RB in the draft. Keep an eye open for Julio and Ryan’s replacements in the next two drafts and never tank. Ever.

Gutting a roster is the most prudent move. Our issue has always been depth. Miami churned their roster until it started to win. 

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32 minutes ago, Summerhill said:

The main difference is Miami got rid of players who were still on their rookie contracts and thus weren't making a lot of money and didn't have significant cap figures. The Falcons have a roster really bloated with players on expensive second contracts with huge cap charges. They can't just dump all their big players without consequences. 

I agree we can’t get rid of high priced talent. However we can churn the depth on our team to get the best players possible.  

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28 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Gut it how? What’s your plan?

Churn the 2nd & 3rd stringers until you can make them competitive. This will help you drive the level of play for the 1st stringers. You’ve said it yourself before that depth has always been enough. Being more competitive within the organization, will makes us more competitive against opponents. 

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12 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said:

Churn the 2nd & 3rd stringers until you can make them competitive. This will help you drive the level of play for the 1st stringers. You’ve said it yourself before that depth has always been enough. Being more competitive within the organization, will makes us more competitive against opponents. 

You got a plan? We’re $25M over the 2021 cap with only 32 players on the roster. It’s already gutted.

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Could, would, should aside.

This team SHOULD be 4-3 right now....coaching blunders and I'll times lapses in execution have killed us....but the latter part are fixable assuming the former part is fixed as well.

We do not need to turn the roster over...we just need some improvements at key spots.

Another DE opposite of Fowler and a better FS probably shaves 3 points off the per game average with just those 2 moves alone.

 

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8 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

You got a a plan? We’re $25M over the 2021 cap with only 32 players on the roster. It’s already gutted.

Ah ok, so you want a plan involving signing bonus, terms of contact, incentives, realistic structure of contracts? Seems reasonable to ask of any poster. You first. Show me how it’s done. 

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1 hour ago, Sidecar Falcon said:

Gutting a roster is the most prudent move. Our issue has always been depth. Miami churned their roster until it started to win. 

The Dolphins haven't been relevant since Dan Marino played for them. There's a lot of good "model" organizations to follow in sports but the Dolphins of the last 20 years aren't one of them.

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