Sidecar Falcon 6,701 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Posted these facts in another thread but I feel this is relevant to our situation. We need to take a page out of the Dolphins’ playbook and completely revamp our roster. As many of you know my best friend is a Dolphins fan. I’ve watched every single Miami game this season, and a bulk majority of last season. Since Flores took over they have gone through a MAJOR roster churn. They traded both Fitzpatrick and Tunsil for picks. During this roster churn Miami also used 84 different players last season before starting to hit a stride. I don’t know the exact numbers but there is a very low number of players that are still there from the Gase regime. Just from 2018 to 2019 there was over 60% roster churn. Taking a look at Gase’s final year roster vs Flores current year roster and it’s almost completely different. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Miami_Dolphins_season https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Miami_Dolphins_season Point is that sacrifices were made and there were no “sacred cows”. The Dolphins did what needed to be done and it’s starting to paying off. People looked at it like a “tank job” but it was finding the right players to change the culture. Which is what I’ve been advocating for since last year. Taking a step backwards so you can take two forward. B52Dawgs and Intellectually Honest 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ADAMSVILLE GYM 4,147 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 JohnnyFranchise, 1989Fan, Rings and 14 others 6 1 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTrue7 4,601 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Easy to say no sacred cows, especially when they had no cows to begin with.. Geneaut, Atl Falcon, Ezekiel 25:17 and 4 others 1 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
autigerfan 646 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 They trade away Tannehill and he turns into a Pro Bowler. Same for Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins problems were primarily coaching related and a revolving door in the front office. Look at Gase in NY. A promising QB prospect in Darnold is on the verge of busting. I don't think a full blown reset is the answer. athell, Atlantafan21, primetime and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantafan21 9,377 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 2 minutes ago, autigerfan said: They trade away Tannehill and he turns into a Pro Bowler. Same for Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins problems were primarily coaching related and a revolving door in the front office. Look at Gase in NY. A promising QB prospect in Darnold is on the verge of busting. I don't think a full blown reset is the answer. This. Literally almost every player that had decent potential in Miami while Gase was there are doing much better now that he’s gone from there. AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
autigerfan 646 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 By the way, when was the last time they played a meaningful game again? Francis York Morgan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 5,114 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 35 minutes ago, autigerfan said: They trade away Tannehill and he turns into a Pro Bowler. Same for Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins problems were primarily coaching related and a revolving door in the front office. Look at Gase in NY. A promising QB prospect in Darnold is on the verge of busting. I don't think a full blown reset is the answer. Exactly. People say that but it can turn around very quickly in the NFL. I look at the Packers late in Brett Favre's career. In 2005 they won only 4 games. Coaching change and overhaul and two years later in 2007 they hosted the NFC Championship Game with much the same roster. Malachore 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 23,668 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 7 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: Exactly. People say that but it can turn around very quickly in the NFL. I look at the Packers late in Brett Favre's career. In 2005 they won only 4 games. Coaching change and overhaul and two years later in 2007 they hosted the NFC Championship Game with much the same roster. Honestly look at the 07 vs the 08 Falcons. There were key improvements (Ryan, Turner, Baker) But most of the offense was the same. The offensive line went from giving up 50 sacks to giving up 17. AUTiger7222, Malachore, athell and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,412 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 The main difference is Miami got rid of players who were still on their rookie contracts and thus weren't making a lot of money and didn't have significant cap figures. The Falcons have a roster really bloated with players on expensive second contracts with huge cap charges. They can't just dump all their big players without consequences. Rings and etherdome 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1970 23,724 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, Sidecar Falcon said: Posted these facts in another thread but I feel this is relevant to our situation. We need to take a page out of the Dolphins’ playbook and completely revamp our roster. As many of you know my best friend is a Dolphins fan. I’ve watched every single Miami game this season, and a bulk majority of last season. Since Flores took over they have gone through a MAJOR roster churn. They traded both Fitzpatrick and Tunsil for picks. During this roster churn Miami also used 84 different players last season before starting to hit a stride. I don’t know the exact numbers but there is a very low number of players that are still there from the Gase regime. Just from 2018 to 2019 there was over 60% roster churn. Taking a look at Gase’s final year roster vs Flores current year roster and it’s almost completely different. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Miami_Dolphins_season https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Miami_Dolphins_season Point is that sacrifices were made and there were no “sacred cows”. The Dolphins did what needed to be done and it’s starting to paying off. People looked at it like a “tank job” but it was finding the right players to change the culture. Which is what I’ve been advocating for since last year. Taking a step backwards so you can take two forward. Part of our problem was trying to replicate other teams. NE, SEA, GB, you name it. We don’t need to copy anymore teams. Definitely not MIA. Just need to fix this one. Find the right GM and HC. Keep Ryan and Julio until moving them doesn’t hurt our already tenuous cap table. Cut a few players to free up some cap space. Add a DE, DT, FS, LG and RB in the draft. Keep an eye open for Julio and Ryan’s replacements in the next two drafts and never tank. Ever. Diesel_Bird and etherdome 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geaux_Falcons 1,043 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 I follow the Dolphins as a secondary team since my first rec team I played for was the Dolphins, and I can honestly say, they didn't need to ship off everyone the way they did. Minkah was disgruntled, and made sense to trade, but they certainly could've paid Tunsil and been just fine. They did get a boatload of picks though for Tunsil, which I don't think anyone would've turned down. Coaching was the problem in Miami. Flores is turning that ship around and hopefully Tua is the answer at QB for a while. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 39,173 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 They're 3-3. I'd rather be like a lot of other teams instead. Boise Falcon Fan, Rings and falconsd56 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montanaman71 225 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 8 minutes ago, JDaveG said: They're 3-3. I'd rather be like a lot of other teams instead. And if the falcons have a decent coach they are 4-3. JDaveG and autigerfan 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar Falcon 6,701 Posted October 29 Author Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, TheTrue7 said: Easy to say no sacred cows, especially when they had no cows to begin with.. Got rid of two first rounders in the same year. That takes balls. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar Falcon 6,701 Posted October 29 Author Share Posted October 29 19 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Part of our problem was trying to replicate other teams. NE, SEA, GB, you name it. We don’t need to copy anymore teams. Definitely not MIA. Just need to fix this one. Find the right GM and HC. Keep Ryan and Julio until moving them doesn’t hurt our already tenuous cap table. Cut a few players to free up some cap space. Add a DE, DT, FS, LG and RB in the draft. Keep an eye open for Julio and Ryan’s replacements in the next two drafts and never tank. Ever. Gutting a roster is the most prudent move. Our issue has always been depth. Miami churned their roster until it started to win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar Falcon 6,701 Posted October 29 Author Share Posted October 29 32 minutes ago, Summerhill said: The main difference is Miami got rid of players who were still on their rookie contracts and thus weren't making a lot of money and didn't have significant cap figures. The Falcons have a roster really bloated with players on expensive second contracts with huge cap charges. They can't just dump all their big players without consequences. I agree we can’t get rid of high priced talent. However we can churn the depth on our team to get the best players possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JetJones11 348 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 We aren’t even competitive with the guys we have why keep them ? Tear it down outside of 2017 this team has been a disaster Sidecar Falcon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1970 23,724 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, Sidecar Falcon said: Gutting a roster is the most prudent move. Our issue has always been depth. Miami churned their roster until it started to win. Gut it how? What’s your plan? The Daywalker 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar Falcon 6,701 Posted October 29 Author Share Posted October 29 28 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Gut it how? What’s your plan? Churn the 2nd & 3rd stringers until you can make them competitive. This will help you drive the level of play for the 1st stringers. You’ve said it yourself before that depth has always been enough. Being more competitive within the organization, will makes us more competitive against opponents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1970 23,724 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 12 minutes ago, Sidecar Falcon said: Churn the 2nd & 3rd stringers until you can make them competitive. This will help you drive the level of play for the 1st stringers. You’ve said it yourself before that depth has always been enough. Being more competitive within the organization, will makes us more competitive against opponents. You got a plan? We’re $25M over the 2021 cap with only 32 players on the roster. It’s already gutted. FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 23,668 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Could, would, should aside. This team SHOULD be 4-3 right now....coaching blunders and I'll times lapses in execution have killed us....but the latter part are fixable assuming the former part is fixed as well. We do not need to turn the roster over...we just need some improvements at key spots. Another DE opposite of Fowler and a better FS probably shaves 3 points off the per game average with just those 2 moves alone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar Falcon 6,701 Posted October 29 Author Share Posted October 29 8 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: You got a a plan? We’re $25M over the 2021 cap with only 32 players on the roster. It’s already gutted. Ah ok, so you want a plan involving signing bonus, terms of contact, incentives, realistic structure of contracts? Seems reasonable to ask of any poster. You first. Show me how it’s done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhenFalconsWin 27,594 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 3 hours ago, ADAMSVILLE GYM said: But it's TATF...nevermind Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 5,114 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, Sidecar Falcon said: Gutting a roster is the most prudent move. Our issue has always been depth. Miami churned their roster until it started to win. The Dolphins haven't been relevant since Dan Marino played for them. There's a lot of good "model" organizations to follow in sports but the Dolphins of the last 20 years aren't one of them. falconsd56, JohnnyFranchise and TheTrue7 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JetJones11 348 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 55 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Gut it how? What’s your plan? Trade Takk Neal Mack guys who we know we won’t keep unlike last year wen we kept Vic & Freeman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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