falconsd56 26,603 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, stizz said: Freeman went through the same stuff Smith did and produced. So did d'Arnaud. We can't pick and choose who the weird offseason applied to and who it didn't. No....no they didn't. Freeman did have covid but he was in there from game one. Travis missed one series but was back behind the plate with a week of the season starting. Both started slow. Smith missed a couple extra weeks and by the very nature of his position did not get near the reps that those guys got to have so his rust was more pronounced then theirs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stizz 5,674 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: No....no they didn't. Freeman did have covid but he was in there from game one. Travis missed one series but was back behind the plate with a week of the season starting. Both started slow. Smith missed a couple extra weeks and by the very nature of his position did not get near the reps that those guys got to have so his rust was more pronounced then theirs. ...and it was highlighted with walks to Muncy twice. That is the only guy he had to get and in both instances put him on base for nothing. There is no excuse for walks at his price tag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jidady 10,418 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, K26dp said: If the active roster were 28 again, I'd be fine with this. Since it probably won't be, I don't see a spot. For him or Culberson for that matter. FWIW, I'm expecting another late start to the season and another year without the minors. If there's going to be a vaccine, it's not coming from the US. We're too far behind on our research. So, owners will cut costs again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTrue7 5,784 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, stizz said: Freeman went through the same stuff Smith did and produced. So did d'Arnaud. We can't pick and choose who the weird offseason applied to and who it didn't. Everyday players vs relievers to take it a step further positional players vs relievers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malachore 9,514 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: It is a shame all of his other good work in the playoffs is forgotten because of basically one pitch. He is probably the braves closer Yeah I had to go back and look at his work before then. Just think LAD was a bad match-up for him, they've seen him so much. I assumed he was to be the closer this year but COVID messed it up. Those 7 HRs in 16 IP is alarming though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 26,603 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, Malachore said: Yeah I had to go back and look at his work before then. Just think LAD was a bad match-up for him, they've seen him so much. I assumed he was to be the closer this year but COVID messed it up. Those 7 HRs in 16 IP is alarming though. Indeed on all accounts. The positive thing about those though we're... they were all solo shots. So he was not walking guys or putting alot of traffic on the base paths and then giving up 3 run bombs....he just happened to to it at the worst time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Unknøwn 13,582 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Malachore said: Yeah I had to go back and look at his work before then. Just think LAD was a bad match-up for him, they've seen him so much. I assumed he was to be the closer this year but COVID messed it up. Those 7 HRs in 16 IP is alarming though. He'll be the closer next year. Even if we do bring Melancon back it would be as a setup man. We paid Smith like a closer. Malachore 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malachore 9,514 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Unknøwn said: He'll be the closer next year. Even if we do bring Melancon back it would be as a setup man. We paid Smith like a closer. I'm fine with that and it would be nice to have that L/R option with closing experience too. falconsd56 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 7,786 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, Unknøwn said: He'll be the closer next year. Even if we do bring Melancon back it would be as a setup man. We paid Smith like a closer. I thought that too but even before the Covid stuff interrupted the season Snitker had declared Melancon the closer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Unknøwn 13,582 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, AUTiger7222 said: I thought that too but even before the Covid stuff interrupted the season Snitker had declared Melancon the closer. I dont think that would carry over. I feel like if Melancon returns he'll be told its as a setup and secondary closer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tl;dr 9,795 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, stizz said: 40M for a guy who couldn't do his job in the playoffs and gave up a home run in half of his outings during the season. He was money in the wild card round and NLDS. Arguably our best reliever. AUTiger7222 and NashvilleFalcon01 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NashvilleFalcon01 792 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, Unknøwn said: He'll be the closer next year. Even if we do bring Melancon back it would be as a setup man. We paid Smith like a closer. He was originally supposed to be the setup guy and have Greene close. It wasn't until Greene blew so many saves that Melancon got a shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 7,786 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, tl;dr said: He was money in the wild card round and NLDS. Arguably our best reliever. Yes he was. He was great in game 1 of the NLCS. His first 5 appearances of the playoffs he pitched 5 1/3 innings and record 7 strikeouts and didn't give up anything. No hits or walks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tl;dr 9,795 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, AUTiger7222 said: Yes he was. He was great in game 1 of the NLCS. His first 5 appearances of the playoffs he pitched 5 1/3 innings and record 7 strikeouts and didn't give up anything. No hits or walks. I'm happy with Smith overall. The latter half of the NLCS sucked, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tl;dr 9,795 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 If we keep Ozuna and the DH stays, I think this is where we stand right now without adding anyone else: C- Travis d'Arnaud 1B- Freddie Freeman 2B- Ozzie Albies SS- Dansby Swanson 3B- Austin Riley RF- Ronald Acuna CF- Christian Pache LF- Adam Duvall DH- Marcell Ozuna Bench: Johan Camargo William Contreras Ender Inciarte SP: 1- Mike Soroka 2- Max Fried 3- Ian Anderson 4- Kyle Wright 5- Bryse Wilson RP: LHP Will Smith RHP Chris Martin RHP Darren O'Day RHP Luke Jackson LHP AJ Minter LHP Grant Dayton LHP Tyler Matzek RHP Jacob Webb Melancon and Greene would help our pen, but I wouldn't mide another guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouDog 4,915 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, tl;dr said: If we keep Ozuna and the DH stays, I think this is where we stand right now without adding anyone else: C- Travis d'Arnaud 1B- Freddie Freeman 2B- Ozzie Albies SS- Dansby Swanson 3B- Austin Riley RF- Ronald Acuna CF- Christian Pache LF- Adam Duvall DH- Marcell Ozuna Bench: Johan Camargo William Contreras Ender Inciarte SP: 1- Mike Soroka 2- Max Fried 3- Ian Anderson 4- Kyle Wright 5- Bryse Wilson RP: LHP Will Smith RHP Chris Martin RHP Darren O'Day RHP Luke Jackson LHP AJ Minter LHP Grant Dayton LHP Tyler Matzek RHP Jacob Webb Melancon and Greene would help our pen, but I wouldn't mide another guy. I'm hoping Inciarte and Luke Jackson arent on that list when next season starts. And I wouldn't mind seeing Shane Greene added back to it. Edited October 20, 2020 by LouDog AUTiger7222, Jimsmusic™ and ATL Fan in the DMV 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATLBrave 3,618 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 hours ago, AUTiger7222 said: Upgrade from Greene? How you gonna find anyone better than Greene? I mean, trade, FA, etc. There’s plenty of ways to upgrade from him. Including the guy I mentioned in Liam Hendriks. AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stizz 5,674 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Unknøwn said: I dont think that would carry over. I feel like if Melancon returns he'll be told its as a setup and secondary closer. I don't understand this. With Luke and even Kimbrel we always had a show in the 9th inning on the base paths. Melancon doesn't allow that. NashvilleFalcon01 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tl;dr 9,795 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, LouDog said: I'm hoping Inciarte and Luke Jackson arent on that list when next season starts. And I wouldn't mind seeing Shane Greene added back to it. For sure on all accounts. Luke and Ender are still under contract though so I included them. I wouldn’t mind replacing Ender with Waters because that’s probably the ideal scenario. We also probably need another IF. I saw someone mention La Stella and I would like that a lot. And keeping Melancon and Greene too. Wouldn’t mind adding another pen piece as well. Maybe Newcomb can step into that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stizz 5,674 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Wayyy too many of you guys are taking Melancon for granted when he has a ton of experience in big games and doesn't allow a circus on the bases in the 9th. I don't know if it's because he doesn't strikeout 1000 guys, but he's very valuable, especially after watching ho many runners Luke and Kimbrel would allow on the bases. NashvilleFalcon01 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouDog 4,915 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, tl;dr said: For sure on all accounts. Luke and Ender are still under contract though so I included them. I wouldn’t mind replacing Ender with Waters because that’s probably the ideal scenario. We also probably need another IF. I saw someone mention La Stella and I would like that a lot. And keeping Melancon and Greene too. Wouldn’t mind adding another pen piece as well. Maybe Newcomb can step into that I'd like to see Newcomb turn into a reliable bullpen arm. Not gonna get my hopes up though lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tl;dr 9,795 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, LouDog said: I'd like to see Newcomb turn into a reliable bullpen arm. Not gonna get my hopes up though lol He wasn't bad in that role in 2019. Then for some reason we tried to let him start again in 2020. I think he wanted to start, but it just wasn't going to happen here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malachore 9,514 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, stizz said: Wayyy too many of you guys are taking Melancon for granted when he has a ton of experience in big games and doesn't allow a circus on the bases in the 9th. I don't know if it's because he doesn't strikeout 1000 guys, but he's very valuable, especially after watching ho many runners Luke and Kimbrel would allow on the bases. I'm sure everyone here wants him to return. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 7,786 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, LouDog said: I'd like to see Newcomb turn into a reliable bullpen arm. Not gonna get my hopes up though lol He was great in the bullpen in 2019. Have no idea why the Braves decided to move him back to the rotation. That never made any sense. Malachore 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NashvilleFalcon01 792 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, stizz said: Wayyy too many of you guys are taking Melancon for granted when he has a ton of experience in big games and doesn't allow a circus on the bases in the 9th. I don't know if it's because he doesn't strikeout 1000 guys, but he's very valuable, especially after watching ho many runners Luke and Kimbrel would allow on the bases. He was far and away the most impressive reliever against the Dodgers. His ability to pitch to soft contact showed itself nicely against that type of lineup. I'd love to have him back, even if he split time as the closer. Malachore 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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