2020-21 Braves Offseason Thread

[Unknøwn 13,944]

20 minutes ago, Ransack said:

Ender has to go. Pache is the guy and If he's ready I'd like to see a Duvall/Waters platoon in left field.

I think we'll see Waters about mid-season. He'll get some ABs at Gwinnett first.

[Ransack 3,344]

I imagine Contreras will get the second catchers slot next season.

[AUTiger7222 9,120]

8 hours ago, tl;dr said:

I really hope the DH becomes a thing now. Would suck to have to go back to pitchers hacking away at junk up there. I almost wonder if Ozuna is worth it regardless of the DH on a multi year deal because it's coming. One year of having to cover for him would be okay with me to some degree. 

In an ideal world, the DH stays and Waters comes up to take Markakis's spot. Our bench gets a lot better with Duvall as the 4th OF IMO. I still think we need more bench depth though. 

When the Braves signed Ozuna there was no DH. I understand not wanting Ozuna in the OF but that was the plan when he was signed.

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6 hours ago, jidady said:

Mark Melancon, Marcell Ozuna, Shane Greene, and Pablo Sandoval are the players I want back.

We were too sentimental about Nick, and it bit us.

As for Riley, he knows what he has to do, and he'll probably have until June or so to work on it. I'm not worried about him at all.

What possible reason could you want the Braves to keep Pablo Sandoval?

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5 hours ago, Unknøwn said:

Id really like Charlie Morton to come back to Atlanta. Retire a Brave.

Morton has said several times that this deal with the Rays is his final deal and he will retire. If the Rays win the World Series he's gonna retire for sure. With that news out there, I turn my attention to Adam Wainwright.

[brdu4 60]

Looks like Braves have $68 million of guaranteed on the books for next year. With 10 players in arbitration. 
 

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3 hours ago, ATLBrave said:

I'd love to bring back Melancon on a similar deal as Martin and to see if we could upgrade from Greene. 

Upgrade from Greene? How you gonna find anyone better than Greene?

[AUTiger7222 9,120]

Here's the 2020-21 free agents list.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/2020-21-mlb-free-agents.html

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1 hour ago, Ransack said:

I imagine Contreras will get the second catchers slot next season.

Yep, he'll be groomed to take over full time  in 2022.

[stizz 5,783]

I'd try and offload Will Smith for a bat to platoon with Duvall. Wayy too much money tied up into a guy who **** the bed when we needed him.

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22 minutes ago, stizz said:

I'd try and offload Will Smith for a bat to platoon with Duvall. Wayy too much money tied up into a guy who **** the bed when we needed him.

Yes, get rid of our all star closer because he had zero camp or rehab after missing weeks with covid

[jidady 11,345]

1 hour ago, AUTiger7222 said:

What possible reason could you want the Braves to keep Pablo Sandoval?

Team reports indicated that he was terrific in the clubhouse and is really well liked by the young players. It's understandable since they grew up watching him win titles. It'd be like this year where we would him behind the scenes more than in a significant role, kind of like Culberson.

[K26dp 5,215]

30 minutes ago, jidady said:

Team reports indicated that he was terrific in the clubhouse and is really well liked by the young players. It's understandable since they grew up watching him win titles. It'd be like this year where we would him behind the scenes more than in a significant role, kind of like Culberson.

If the active roster were 28 again, I'd be fine with this. Since it probably won't be, I don't see a spot. For him or Culberson for that matter.

[Malachore 9,757]

58 minutes ago, stizz said:

I'd try and offload Will Smith for a bat to platoon with Duvall. Wayy too much money tied up into a guy who **** the bed when we needed him.

 Will Smith was definitely the goat of the NLCS but hes a good pitcher and he'll be the back end of the bullpen next year.

[falconsd56 27,698]

6 minutes ago, Malachore said:

 Will Smith was definitely the goat of the NLCS but hes a good pitcher and he'll be the back end of the bullpen next year.

It is a shame all of his other good work in the playoffs is forgotten because of  basically one pitch.

He is probably the braves closer

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34 minutes ago, jidady said:

Team reports indicated that he was terrific in the clubhouse and is really well liked by the young players. It's understandable since they grew up watching him win titles. It'd be like this year where we would him behind the scenes more than in a significant role, kind of like Culberson.

Yeah, I get that he's a great clubhouse guy. One of those glue guys but as @K26dp points out, there's really no way we can have a roster spot dedicated to a guy who brings very little on field production to the table.

4 minutes ago, K26dp said:

If the active roster were 28 again, I'd be fine with this. Since it probably won't be, I don't see a spot. For him or Culberson for that matter.

I would love to see Nick Markakis retire and then the Braves make him a coach of some sort.

[TheTrue7 6,218]

Just now, AUTiger7222 said:

Yeah, I get that he's a great clubhouse guy. One of those glue guys but as @K26dp points out, there's really no way we can have a roster spot dedicated to a guy who brings very little on field production to the table.

I would love to see Nick Markakis retire and then the Braves make him a coach of some sort.

Why waste a roster spot on a great clubhouse guy? Just make one of the best into a coach and fill that with someone that produces on field.  Agreed 100%

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11 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

It is a shame all of his other good work in the playoffs is forgotten because of  basically one pitch.

He is probably the braves closer

It wasn't one pitch. He struggled mightily in both game 4 and game 5.

I think the main reason Will Smith got so much venom from me and others is because we spent so much money on him and then he missed the first 3 weeks of the season because of the Covid stuff and then when he did pitch we had to hold onto our ***** because he gave up so many homeruns. 7 homeruns allowed in only 16 innings is extremely bad. His last year with the Giants he gave up only 10 homeruns in 65 innings. At his peak with the Giants he gave up only 3 homeruns in 53 innings one year and only 5 in 65 innings in another. We can argue until we're blue in the face at the reason why, but at the end of the day he was a massive disappointment to what we expected him to be. But there's no reason to not believe he won't bounce back next year in a normal season.

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1 hour ago, Unknøwn said:

Yep, he'll be groomed to take over full time  in 2022.

So what's the deal with Langeliers then?

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Just now, NashvilleFalcon01 said:

So what's the deal with Langeliers then?

He's still very highly rated and thought of. Long-term we would have Langeliers and Contreras as our catching duo.

[falconsd56 27,698]

4 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

It wasn't one pitch. He struggled mightily in both game 4 and game 5.

I think the main reason Will Smith got so much venom from me and others is because we spent so much money on him and then he missed the first 3 weeks of the season because of the Covid stuff and then when he did pitch we had to hold onto our ***** because he gave up so many homeruns. 7 homeruns allowed in only 16 innings is extremely bad. His last year with the Giants he gave up only 10 homeruns in 65 innings. At his peak with the Giants he gave up only 3 homeruns in 53 innings one year and only 5 in 65 innings in another. We can argue until we're blue in the face at the reason why, but at the end of the day he was a massive disappointment to what we expected him to be. But there's no reason to not believe he won't bounce back next year in a normal season.

Yeah...but none of that matters if he does not give up the homer to Smith.

He did give up alot of solo shots but he fixed himself and was lights out during the stretch run up until the Dodgers.

 

[stizz 5,783]

29 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

It is a shame all of his other good work in the playoffs is forgotten because of  basically one pitch.

He is probably the braves closer

He fell apart in the previous game as well but was saved by Martin.

[stizz 5,783]

1 hour ago, Unknøwn said:

Yes, get rid of our all star closer because he had zero camp or rehab after missing weeks with covid

40M for a guy who couldn't do his job in the playoffs and gave up a home run in half of his outings during the season.

[TheTrue7 6,218]

7 minutes ago, stizz said:

40M for a guy who couldn't do his job in the playoffs and gave up a home run in half of his outings during the season.

I don’t think this would be a season that I would judge his production. Give him a legitimate offseason. 

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2 minutes ago, TheTrue7 said:

I don’t think this would be a season that I would judge his production. Give him a legitimate offseason. 

Freeman went through the same stuff Smith did and produced. So did d'Arnaud. We can't pick and choose who the weird offseason applied to and who it didn't.