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Should 49ers explore Matt Ryan trade, reunite QB with Kyle Shanahan?

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Josh Schrock
NBC Sports BayAreaOct 12, 2020, 5:19 PM

Should 49ers try to acquire Ryan, reunite QB with Shanahan? originally appeared on NBC Sports Bayarea

We're five weeks into the NFL season which, naturally, means fans are panicking and trying to find a way for their team to change course and make a playoff push.

 

Such is the case with the 49ers who were embarrassed by Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Miami Dolphins 43-17 on Sunday at Levi's Stadium. The 49ers now are 2-3, in last place in the NFC West and have only defeated the New York Giants and New York Jets this season.

Yuck.

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The 49ers have had a number of key players go down with injuries, but that's no excuse. From Week 1 on the 49ers have looked like a shell of the 2019 team that ran through most of the NFL en route to a berth in Super Bowl LIV. January feels like 20 years ago, and Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch have a decision to make at quarterback.

We know the 49ers flirted with the idea of bringing in Tom Brady in the offseason. They decided to pass and that decision continues to look worse and worse despite Brady's senior moment against the Chicago Bears.

The 49ers decided to stick with Jimmy Garoppolo. He came out and rewarded their faith by being atrocious in a Week 1 loss to the Arizona Cardinals. After carving up the Jets for a half, Garoppolo missed the next two games with a high ankle sprain. He came back Sunday and was missing throws left and right before being pulled at halftime.

So, where do the 49ers go from here? If Garoppolo isn't the guy (I'm not saying he's not, but if he's not), a former MVP who knows Shanahan's system quite well could be available.

Following an 0-5 start, the Atlanta Falcons fired head coach Dan Quinn and general manager Thomas Dimitroff on Sunday, ushering in a new era for the Falcons.

Matt Ryan is 35 but he still has plenty of juice left in his right arm. With the Falcons likely pivoting toward a full rebuild, would the 49ers be interested in making a run at a guy who shredded the NFL four years ago in Shanahan's system?

If the 49ers genuinely feel they are a quarterback away from being back in Super Bowl contention than it could make sense. This season, Ryan has thrown for 1,472 yards and seven touchdowns while completing 63.2 percent of his passes.

Yes, he's lost a bit but he's still arguably one of the 10 or 11 best quarterbacks in the NFL. Garoppolo isn't on that level.

The catch, of course, is that Ryan comes with a massive price tag that would take some maneuvering for the 49ers to finagle a trade. Of course, the salary cap is almost entirely fake so if the 49ers -- more importantly if Shanahan -- wants Ryan they can make it work.

Now, Ryan is owed $23 million next season and the Falcons would incur a dead cap hit of ... drumroll, please ... $49.9 million if they were to trade him after the season. If they were to trade him before the Oct. 29 trade deadline, the Falcons would take a dead cap hit of $17.9 million this season and $44.4 million next season.

You probably look at that and think well that's never going to happen. But a dead cap hit is essentially money that's been paid out in a bonus or a restructure money that has been prorated out. The dead cap number is put in to protect a player's roster spot. But while the Falcons would owe Ryan that dead cap hit from his signing bonus and restructuring agreement, the quarterback's base salary of $23 million in 2021 would come off the Falcons' books.

So while it's a big number for the Falcons to stomach, if they are planning a full tear down and rebuild then it's not entirely out of the question.

From the 49ers' perspective, they currently have around $15 million in projected cap space in 2021 and would save about $22 million if they were to cut Garoppolo before June 1.

It's hard to see a way the 49ers make a Ryan trade work within the next couple weeks. They have less than $5 million in salary cap space and would have to find a take for Garoppolo.

Garoppolo will be the 49ers' starting quarterback for the remainder of the season. It's all but a guarantee.

But Shanahan appears to be at the end of his rope with Garoppolo. He claimed he pulled the quarterback Sunday to protect his injured ankle. Maybe that's true or maybe the frustration is mounting.

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1 minute ago, Ovie_Lover said:

I wish we could trade you away. Spamming the board with topics today aren’t ya bud?

Off day.  Love Spam...better with Mayonaise on toasted rye bread......but seriously....I am emotionally invested in the direction of the team.  Cap situation is dire and like AB, I want Atlanta to win.....if the current team is not structured to do so then this topic is entirely pertinent and with the number of Ryan loyalists, I am interested to know how many think we should send him to the Devil we know as opposed to sitting on our haunches or sending him elsewhere.

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1) It isn't going to happen. 

2) In the spirit of speculation: If it did happen, I would hope the Falcons would require the 49ers to give up at least one more draft pick than they are comfortable with. That would be an indirect form of compensation for the dead cap money situation. I don't think the Falcons should take back any salary at all from the 9ers beyond the current season. So, beyond the draft picks, is there any 9er in the last year of their contract that would fit in the salary freed up by trading Ryan and be useful as "veteran leadership?"

3) Yea, its not going to happen. 

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Without "the devil" this team never sniffs the SB in 16 but also...

8 minutes ago, falcndave said:

1) It isn't going to happen. 

2) In the spirit of speculation: If it did happen, I would hope the Falcons would require the 49ers to give up at least one more draft pick than they are comfortable with. That would be an indirect form of compensation for the dead cap money situation. I don't think the Falcons should take back any salary at all from the 9ers beyond the current season. So, beyond the draft picks, is there any 9er in the last year of their contract that would fit in the salary freed up by trading Ryan and be useful as "veteran leadership?"

3) Yea, its not going to happen. 

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38 minutes ago, lostnmexico said:

Off day.  Love Spam...better with Mayonaise on toasted rye bread......but seriously....I am emotionally invested in the direction of the team.  Cap situation is dire and like AB, I want Atlanta to win.....if the current team is not structured to do so then this topic is entirely pertinent and with the number of Ryan loyalists, I am interested to know how many think we should send him to the Devil we know as opposed to sitting on our haunches or sending him elsewhere.

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This guy is so dumb didn't do any research.  No way 49ers had a chance at brady.  He was going to tampa from the get go.  Had bought a home there before signing with a team.

 

No way falcons trade ryan during the season.  Blank already said it's up to the next coaching staff.

 

Matt ryan does not have plenty of juice in the arm.  He never had much to begin with and age is showing.

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Should 49ers explore Matt Ryan trade, reunite QB with Kyle Shanahan?

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Josh Schrock
NBC Sports BayAreaOct 12, 2020, 5:19 PM

Should 49ers try to acquire Ryan, reunite QB with Shanahan? originally appeared on NBC Sports Bayarea

We're five weeks into the NFL season which, naturally, means fans are panicking and trying to find a way for their team to change course and make a playoff push.

 

Such is the case with the 49ers who were embarrassed by Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Miami Dolphins 43-17 on Sunday at Levi's Stadium. The 49ers now are 2-3, in last place in the NFC West and have only defeated the New York Giants and New York Jets this season.

Yuck.

Download and subscribe to the 49ers Talk Podcast

The 49ers have had a number of key players go down with injuries, but that's no excuse. From Week 1 on the 49ers have looked like a shell of the 2019 team that ran through most of the NFL en route to a berth in Super Bowl LIV. January feels like 20 years ago, and Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch have a decision to make at quarterback.

We know the 49ers flirted with the idea of bringing in Tom Brady in the offseason. They decided to pass and that decision continues to look worse and worse despite Brady's senior moment against the Chicago Bears.

The 49ers decided to stick with Jimmy Garoppolo. He came out and rewarded their faith by being atrocious in a Week 1 loss to the Arizona Cardinals. After carving up the Jets for a half, Garoppolo missed the next two games with a high ankle sprain. He came back Sunday and was missing throws left and right before being pulled at halftime.

So, where do the 49ers go from here? If Garoppolo isn't the guy (I'm not saying he's not, but if he's not), a former MVP who knows Shanahan's system quite well could be available.

Following an 0-5 start, the Atlanta Falcons fired head coach Dan Quinn and general manager Thomas Dimitroff on Sunday, ushering in a new era for the Falcons.

Matt Ryan is 35 but he still has plenty of juice left in his right arm. With the Falcons likely pivoting toward a full rebuild, would the 49ers be interested in making a run at a guy who shredded the NFL four years ago in Shanahan's system?

If the 49ers genuinely feel they are a quarterback away from being back in Super Bowl contention than it could make sense. This season, Ryan has thrown for 1,472 yards and seven touchdowns while completing 63.2 percent of his passes.

Yes, he's lost a bit but he's still arguably one of the 10 or 11 best quarterbacks in the NFL. Garoppolo isn't on that level.

The catch, of course, is that Ryan comes with a massive price tag that would take some maneuvering for the 49ers to finagle a trade. Of course, the salary cap is almost entirely fake so if the 49ers -- more importantly if Shanahan -- wants Ryan they can make it work.

Now, Ryan is owed $23 million next season and the Falcons would incur a dead cap hit of ... drumroll, please ... $49.9 million if they were to trade him after the season. If they were to trade him before the Oct. 29 trade deadline, the Falcons would take a dead cap hit of $17.9 million this season and $44.4 million next season.

You probably look at that and think well that's never going to happen. But a dead cap hit is essentially money that's been paid out in a bonus or a restructure money that has been prorated out. The dead cap number is put in to protect a player's roster spot. But while the Falcons would owe Ryan that dead cap hit from his signing bonus and restructuring agreement, the quarterback's base salary of $23 million in 2021 would come off the Falcons' books.

So while it's a big number for the Falcons to stomach, if they are planning a full tear down and rebuild then it's not entirely out of the question.

From the 49ers' perspective, they currently have around $15 million in projected cap space in 2021 and would save about $22 million if they were to cut Garoppolo before June 1.

It's hard to see a way the 49ers make a Ryan trade work within the next couple weeks. They have less than $5 million in salary cap space and would have to find a take for Garoppolo.

Garoppolo will be the 49ers' starting quarterback for the remainder of the season. It's all but a guarantee.

But Shanahan appears to be at the end of his rope with Garoppolo. He claimed he pulled the quarterback Sunday to protect his injured ankle. Maybe that's true or maybe the frustration is mounting.

Maybe this is why blank was very fuzzy about ryans future. Personally I would like this. Ryan deserves a chance to get a ring and that might be his only chance.

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Our season is over.  Will not see playoffs no matter what.  So why start next year the same?  Our QB is slow, makes poor clutch decisions and gets tired after halftime.  He's an accurate thrower as long as he doesn't have to move.

But it's 2020 and pass rushers are fast as crap.  So having a great plant-foot pocket passer is gonna get you to 0-5 pretty consistently.  Maybe if he tried to audible when everyone knows a blitz is coming?  Maybe if he'd run a little when there's a 30' wide hole to the end of the chain?  

Not my decision so don't yell at me as if it is.  I'm only saying what is statistically verified, he's sub 60% on a good day and no TD in last 2 games, get used to that.  I'd trade him in a second if an offer was on the table.  

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