JDaveG 45,093 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Carl Dukes just said he had sources with the Falcons that told him that when it comes to personnel, Dimitroff chose the players, period. The title of this thread is a quote. For what that's worth. He also said in talking to former coaches -- he mentioned Bryan Cox and Marquand Manuel specifically -- a lot of guys who pushed back and challenged Quinn on various things were essentially moved along. In other words, Quinn wanted "yes men." Also for what it's worth. Knight of God, athell, Smiler11 and 15 others 18 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 33,122 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 If true, just proves the correct decision was (finally) made yesterday. Maybe AB learned a thing or two for this go round. Would also be a pretty ****ing indictment on what Quinn thought of himself and his defensive knowledge...or lack there of. Dude wasn't nearly smart enough to be surrounded by yes men. Peteshweddy, sdogg, AUTiger7222 and 11 others 13 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 40,372 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The Marquand Manuel firing always smelled stinky to me. Dude seriously had his hands tied behind his back trying to coach a defense with no better options over Duke Riley/Terrell McClain/Jordan Richards et al MikeSmithsNotepad, GleasonForever!, Monolith2001 and 17 others 19 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 27,682 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Yeah....still not buying the idea that TD was the only one who picked players. I mean when you look at over the 12 off-seasons and how many players that we brought in that played for a coach on the staff. I mean we could have nearly fielded a team of Jag and Redskin cast offs. He may have had the ultimate pick but you can't convince me that the coaches did not go to him with a list of guys and ask them to be signed Dukeduke211 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thanat0s 6,826 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It sounds pretty plausible considering it in hindsight. No one who has witnessed TD in action could ever deny that he’s arrogant and likely considers his way the best and only way. As far as the moved along thing goes, it could easily explain Cox and even Sark getting shown the door. As much as I thought his first year was awful, with experience, he was improving in year two. Dirk is the very definition of a yes man, who wasn’t going to rock the boat. Domed Outter, MikeSmithsNotepad, sdogg and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 27,682 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I mean 2nd first round pick of the Quinn era is a dude who played for him at Florida. And had Fowler fell to us in 15....I have zero doubt that he would have been the pick. So people can say that it was all TD but the actual evidence of signings and drafting tells a very different story. Ergo Proxy, cwell1, spanish_falcon and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Long Shot 4,265 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) Can you imagine how much more awful than we already are if Quinn was in charge of personnel decisions as well? I shudder to think of it. Edited October 12, 2020 by Dr Long Shot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monolith2001 5,209 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Meh. Speculation at best. I look at this roster and I see Quinn guys. I don't think anyone could confuse DQ guys and Mike Smith guys yet TD was around for both. I think TD was a good GM but bet on the wrong horses too often. vitaman, ATLskinjob and A Pimp Named Slickback™ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 27,682 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I mean just as a even more obscure example.....When we selected Holmes in 2012 it was on the recommendation of at the time new Oline coach Pat Hill who coached him in some all star game ATLskinjob 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joey563 456 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, JDaveG said: Carl Dukes just said he had sources with the Falcons that told him that when it comes to personnel, Dimitroff chose the players, period. The title of this thread is a quote. For what that's worth. He also said in talking to former coaches -- he mentioned Bryan Cox and Marquand Manuel specifically -- a lot of guys who pushed back and challenged Quinn on various things were essentially moved along. In other words, Quinn wanted "yes men." Also for what it's worth. I specifically said THIS is why it was almost no fight or attempt for Shanny, Manuel, or LaFleur guys to stay on the team. Quinn only wanted coaches that exclusively followed Quinn and never debated or challenged him. And no, i'm not a sore fan that can't get over Shanny/Fleur being gone... It just always seemed like anyone who had potentially to expose Quinn's scheme short comings were quickly let go. BTW, this is why I have always loved the idea of Andy Reid as a HC. The story on him was that he loved to have coordinators and coaches on the team to challenge him on anything that seemed to fit "thinking in the box"... ATLskinjob and vitaman 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheUsualStuff 5,370 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, athell said: If true, just proves the correct decision was (finally) made yesterday. Maybe AB learned a thing or two for this go round. Would also be a pretty ****ing indictment on what Quinn thought of himself and his defensive knowledge...or lack there of. Dude wasn't nearly smart enough to be surrounded by yes men. What Quinn thought of himself was cemented for me with what happened after the SB. He let the entire Shanahan staff walk because he wanted to show people that the team was HIM and HE was responsible for getting them to the SB. Shanny got so much credit that Quinn cut off his nose to spite his face, and I will go to my grave believing it happened then and a few more times during his reign. Day1, athell, MilleniumFalcon and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UnrealfalcoN 4,242 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Why isn't this radio hack naming the 'source'?. TD is gone, they won't hurt his feelings or he is making up things for radio as usual papachaz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Long Shot 4,265 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheUsualStuff said: What Quinn thought of himself was cemented for me with what happened after the SB. He let the entire Shanahan staff walk because he wanted to show people that the team was HIM and HE was responsible for getting them to the SB. Shanny got so much credit that Quinn cut off his nose to spite his face, and I will go to my grave believing it happened then and a few more times during his reign. I think it was both Dimi and Quinn. Shanahan was taking all the credit and little was going to these two clowns so they decided to show the world how great they are and ruined our franchise in the process. TheUsualStuff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 27,682 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dr Long Shot said: I think it was both Dimi and Quinn. Shanahan was taking all the credit and little was going to these two clowns so they decided to show the world how great they are and ruined our franchise in the process. I think that is BS. TD had already built a championship caliber roster when Kyle was nothing more than his old man's lackey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 45,093 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Monolith2001 said: Meh. Speculation at best. I look at this roster and I see Quinn guys. I don't think anyone could confuse DQ guys and Mike Smith guys yet TD was around for both. I think TD was a good GM but bet on the wrong horses too often. I mean, I'm not saying he isn't making it up, but it isn't speculation. He said he was told this by sources in the building, so either it's true, or the source is lying, or Dukes is lying. Nobody is speculating. falconsd56, vitaman and Ergo Proxy 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nomak 5,054 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Expect to see a totally different team... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 9,063 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I fully believe it. Have no reason to doubt either of these things are true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
octoslash 18,672 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Dukes talks out of his a** half the time so I take anything from him and his buffoon cohost with a big grain of salt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 27,682 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, JDaveG said: I mean, I'm not saying he isn't making it up, but it isn't speculation. He said he was told this by sources in the building, so either it's true, or the source is lying, or Dukes is lying. Nobody is speculating. I am sure someone said that but again the evidence points to a different reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 27,682 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, AUTiger7222 said: I fully believe it. Have no reason to doubt either of these things are true. Really? So TD just decided to load up on former Redskins in 2015 and 16 for no reason?? I mean we signed Rex Grossman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BUBBASBEANS 1,163 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, Dr Long Shot said: Can you imagine how much more awful than we already are if Quinn was in charge of personnel decisions as well? I shudder to think of it. Dude is a walking, living breathing disaster. I tend to agree Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zzzzz 623 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JDaveG said: Carl Dukes just said he had sources with the Falcons that told him that when it comes to personnel, Dimitroff chose the players, period. The title of this thread is a quote. For what that's worth. He also said in talking to former coaches -- he mentioned Bryan Cox and Marquand Manuel specifically -- a lot of guys who pushed back and challenged Quinn on various things were essentially moved along. In other words, Quinn wanted "yes men." Also for what it's worth. ... and this is why I think Quinn stuck his nose back into dictating how defense was played. If the defense goes back to playing better like it did last season after he was basically told to give up control of it, then we'll know for sure. Dear Baby Jesus, please let him be the next def. coordinator at Florida. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Macintez 2,061 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JDaveG said: Carl Dukes just said he had sources with the Falcons that told him that when it comes to personnel, Dimitroff chose the players, period. The title of this thread is a quote. For what that's worth. He also said in talking to former coaches -- he mentioned Bryan Cox and Marquand Manuel specifically -- a lot of guys who pushed back and challenged Quinn on various things were essentially moved along. In other words, Quinn wanted "yes men." Also for what it's worth. Wow! This was a bombshell. Crazy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pzummo 6,758 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Nobody can convince me we have a personnel problem. Shanahan had less talent and we led the league in scoring by a very wide margin. It's scheme and coaching. Game management, terrible. Blown assignments in coverage. All comes down to coaching, not players. For the record, this is not defending TD. He is responsible for recruiting the coaching staff. dirtybird_jmh, ATLskinjob and JDaveG 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTrue7 6,185 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Zzzzz said: Dear Baby Jesus, please let him be the next def. coordinator at Florida. I don’t know man.. kinda happy with Grantham being there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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