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12 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

You are probably right.

12 might be fine but 16 was too many imo.

I agree 16 is too many. But I think 12 is great. More baseball the better IMO. If you added 2 more WC teams to get to 12 teams here's the teams would have made the playoffs from 2000-2019 (just a random period).

  • 2000 - AL = Indians (90-72), Red Sox (85-77) - NL = Dodgers (86-76), Reds or Diamondbacks (both finished 85-77)
  • 2001 - AL = Twins (85-77), White Sox (83-79) - NL = Giants (90-72), Cubs (88-74)
  • 2002 - AL = Red Sox (93-69), Mariners (93-69) - NL = Dodgers (92-70), Astros (84-78)
  • 2003 - AL = Mariners (93-69), Blue Jays or White Sox (both finished 86-76) - NL = Astros (87-75), Phillies (86-76)
  • 2004 - AL = Athletics (91-71), Rangers (89-73) - NL = Giants (91-71), Cubs (89-73)
  • 2005 - AL = Indians (93-69), Athletics (88-74) - NL = Phillies (88-74), Marlins or Mets (both finished 83-79)
  • 2006 - AL = White Sox (90-72), Angels (89-73) - NL = Phillies (85-77), Astros (82-80)
  • 2007 - AL = Tigers (88-74), Mariners (88-74) - NL = Padres (89-74), Mets (88-74)
  • 2008 - AL = Yankees (89-73), Twins (88-75) - NL = Mets (89-73), Astros (86-75)
  • 2009 - AL = Rangers (87-75), Tigers (86-77) - NL = Giants (88-74), Marlins (87-75)
  • 2010 - AL = Red Sox (89-73), White Sox (88-74) - NL = Padres (90-72), Cardinals (86-76)
  • 2011 - AL = Red Sox (90-72), Angels (86-76) - NL = Braves (89-73), Giants (86-76)
  • 2012 - AL = Rays (90-72) - NL = Dodgers (86-76)
  • 2013 - AL = Rangers (91-72) - NL = Nationals (86-76)
  • 2014 - AL = Mariners (87-75) - NL = Brewers (82-80)
  • 2015 - AL = Angels (85-77) - NL = Giants (84-78)
  • 2016 - AL = Tigers (86-75) - NL = Cardinals (86-76)
  • 2017 - AL = Rays, Royals, or Angels (All finished 80-82) - NL = Brewers (86-76)
  • 2018 - AL = Rays (90-72) - NL = Cardinals (88-74)
  • 2019 - AL = Indians (93-69) - NL = Mets (86-76)

So, there's a picture of what would have happened if we had a playoff format with 6 teams from each league making the playoffs for a 20 year span. Only one team would have made the playoffs with a losing record. There's usually 5 or 6 really good teams in each league every year. For as long as I've been watching baseball 90 wins was considered the goal. Win 90 games and your chances of playing baseball in October are really good. We would have added 16 teams that won 90 or more games to the playoffs. So I think we'd be fine with a 12 team playoff format.

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7 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

I agree 16 is too many. But I think 12 is great. More baseball the better IMO. If you added 2 more WC teams to get to 12 teams here's the teams would have made the playoffs from 2000-2019 (just a random period).

  • 2000 - AL = Indians (90-72), Red Sox (85-77) - NL = Dodgers (86-76), Reds or Diamondbacks (both finished 85-77)
  • 2001 - AL = Twins (85-77), White Sox (83-79) - NL = Giants (90-72), Cubs (88-74)
  • 2002 - AL = Red Sox (93-69), Mariners (93-69) - NL = Dodgers (92-70), Astros (84-78)
  • 2003 - AL = Mariners (93-69), Blue Jays or White Sox (both finished 86-76) - NL = Astros (87-75), Phillies (86-76)
  • 2004 - AL = Athletics (91-71), Rangers (89-73) - NL = Giants (91-71), Cubs (89-73)
  • 2005 - AL = Indians (93-69), Athletics (88-74) - NL = Phillies (88-74), Marlins or Mets (both finished 83-79)
  • 2006 - AL = White Sox (90-72), Angels (89-73) - NL = Phillies (85-77), Astros (82-80)
  • 2007 - AL = Tigers (88-74), Mariners (88-74) - NL = Padres (89-74), Mets (88-74)
  • 2008 - AL = Yankees (89-73), Twins (88-75) - NL = Mets (89-73), Astros (86-75)
  • 2009 - AL = Rangers (87-75), Tigers (86-77) - NL = Giants (88-74), Marlins (87-75)
  • 2010 - AL = Red Sox (89-73), White Sox (88-74) - NL = Padres (90-72), Cardinals (86-76)
  • 2011 - AL = Red Sox (90-72), Angels (86-76) - NL = Braves (89-73), Giants (86-76)
  • 2012 - AL = Rays (90-72) - NL = Dodgers (86-76)
  • 2013 - AL = Rangers (91-72) - NL = Nationals (86-76)
  • 2014 - AL = Mariners (87-75) - NL = Brewers (82-80)
  • 2015 - AL = Angels (85-77) - NL = Giants (84-78)
  • 2016 - AL = Tigers (86-75) - NL = Cardinals (86-76)
  • 2017 - AL = Rays, Royals, or Angels (All finished 80-82) - NL = Brewers (86-76)
  • 2018 - AL = Rays (90-72) - NL = Cardinals (88-74)
  • 2019 - AL = Indians (93-69) - NL = Mets (86-76)

So, there's a picture of what would have happened if we had a playoff format with 6 teams from each league making the playoffs for a 20 year span. Only one team would have made the playoffs with a losing record. There's usually 5 or 6 really good teams in each league every year. For as long as I've been watching baseball 90 wins was considered the goal. Win 90 games and your chances of playing baseball in October are really good. We would have added 16 teams that won 90 or more games to the playoffs. So I think we'd be fine with a 12 team playoff format.

Fair enough....12 games would be fine 

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It all goes back to money. Union is standing firm against expanded playoffs for a normal season due to being easier to make the playoffs. Players are still afraid teams won't spend and just settle for being a WC every year. 

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2 hours ago, AUTiger7222 said:

Why does everyone hate expanded playoffs for baseball? I think 16 teams is too many but I think 12 teams would be great. I personally enjoyed what happened last October. But that's just me. I'll stand alone in my opinion like I do on 95% of topics.

Because it disincentivises working hard (and from the union point of view, spending) to make a competitive team. If every team that gets at least 81 wins makes the playoffs, every front office will starting working toward making 81-win teams. 

The time for expanding the playoffs is when they expand MLB. The owners have held off expansion because they don't want to split up the national broadcast revenue pie, but it's also depriving 52 extra major league player jobs. 

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1 hour ago, K26dp said:

Because it disincentivises working hard (and from the union point of view, spending) to make a competitive team. If every team that gets at least 81 wins makes the playoffs, every front office will starting working toward making 81-win teams. 

The time for expanding the playoffs is when they expand MLB. The owners have held off expansion because they don't want to split up the national broadcast revenue pie, but it's also depriving 52 extra major league player jobs. 

Except as I pointed out using the last 20 years of data, you'd still need to win anywhere between 85-90 games to still make the playoffs with 12 team format. 1 team with a losing record would have made the playoffs in the last 20 years using a 12 team format.

Also, we have teams like the Pirates that will refuse to spend regardless and have been doing it since before the WC became a thing. The only way to force teams to spend is to create a salary cap floor.

I think the people that are against expanded playoffs are old coots who probably threw a fit 60 years ago when MLB expanded from 154 games to 162 games and wanted separate records to distinct the difference.

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Ken Rosenthal mentioned that the union may look for an NBA style draft lottery and something of a spending floor as a trade off for expanding playoffs. This will be the debate for the new CBA because the league wants the playoffs expanded permanently. 

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49 minutes ago, Unknøwn said:

Ken Rosenthal mentioned that the union may look for an NBA style draft lottery and something of a spending floor as a trade off for expanding playoffs. This will be the debate for the new CBA because the league wants the playoffs expanded permanently. 

I hope not....the draft lottery is terrible imo.

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10 hours ago, falconsd56 said:

I hope not....the draft lottery is terrible imo.

Players are looking for ways to keep teams from tanking. They feel, or potentially feel, taking away the promise of being #1 could help. You'd still have the best odds but anyone that follows draft lotteries in other sports know anything can happen. 

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Recently fired Marlins GM Michael Hill is now the VP of on field operations for MLB. He replaces Chris Young since he is now GM of the Rangers. Its the job Joe Torre had before his sort of retirement. Little side note, our old friend Gregor Blanco is actually a senior director that reports to this position. 

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1 hour ago, Unknøwn said:

Players are looking for ways to keep teams from tanking. They feel, or potentially feel, taking away the promise of being #1 could help. You'd still have the best odds but anyone that follows draft lotteries in other sports know anything can happen. 

At this point I don't give a **** what they do. I just want a normal ******* baseball season. Every other sport is playing. If MLB pulls the same **** this year that they did last year they're gonna lose another crap ton of fans. People are sick of billionaires and millionaires pissing and moaning over crumbs the normal person can only imagine.

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Players aren't expected to counter MLB. They believe its too close to Spring Training to alter it now. They don't want those players who have already ramped up to have to shut down. Sounds like ST will begin this month. They still have a few weeks to work on expanding the playoffs and adding the DH.

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On 1/29/2021 at 9:26 AM, Unknøwn said:

Ken Griffey Jr is back in the game. Griffey is the new senior advisor to Manfred. His focus will be adding diversity to amateur baseball.

I want to be hired as the senior advisor to Adam Silver. My focus would be adding diversity to the NBA...

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52 minutes ago, K26dp said:

It's bad, but what it say about the Angels' culture that they hired this guy? 

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't know. If they DID know, they're even worse.

(I'm not reading any details on this story because I already watched Never Rarely Sometimes Always this weekend, and I can only take so much Grim in life.)

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MLB will proceed on schedule. Spring camps begin the 17th and Opening Day will be April 1.

As of now its 162 games, normal schedule, no DH, 3 division winners and 2 WC teams, no WC round. The 7 inning doublheaders and runner on 2B for extras will be in effect for 2021 and probably beyond. Rosters are 26 except for doubleheaders itll be 27. Negotiations continue for the DH and playoffs.

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