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6 minutes ago, falconfan5832 said:

Some people are really good DC,they just arent good HCs.Weve seen that with DC,its time to move on.But no more former HCs from Tampa/Jville!

   Quinn had pro bowl players on every level of the defense in Seattle. Plus that is Pete Carrols defense and evidence has shown DQ was just a place holder there. 

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16 minutes ago, PensacolaFalcon said:

   Quinn had pro bowl players on every level of the defense in Seattle. Plus that is Pete Carrols defense and evidence has shown DQ was just a place holder there. 

This. Carrol still has good defenses because they are not drafting guys from Montana St., Yale and Connecticut on defense for example. 

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Saying that Dan Quinn was a great defensive coach in Seattle is like saying that I would've been a great coach in Boston with Bird, McHale, and Parrish or the Showtime Lakers.

The Seahawks had multiple talented players on all levels of the defense. They also had guys who consistently made dagger/go home/nite-nite plays to snuff out rallies to avoid senseless losses like yesterday. We don't have anywhere near the caliber of talent they did nor the guy in charge to steer them in the right direction. And to be honest, have we ever? 

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I had forgotten a little of the timeline, so I was a bit surprised when I went back to look and realized that both DQ & Gus Bradley were actually in Seattle before Pete Carroll arrived.

In 2009, Quinn was the DL coach & Asst. HC under Jim Mora, and Gus was the DC.

2010, Mora is canned & Pete Carroll keeps Gus on as DC & keeps Quinn on as just the DL coach. Jeff Ulbrich was added to this staff as Asst. ST coach. Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, and Walter Thurmond are drafted.

2011, Quinn heads to Florida, Gus stays the DC in Seattle, Ulbrich stays Asst. ST coach there as well. Carroll also added Robert Saleh as a Defensive QC coach for Seattle this year. Richard Sherman, KJ Wright, Byron Maxwell & Malcom Smith are drafted (Seattle used their 1st rounder in that draft on James Carpenter)

2012, Quinn is still at Florida as DC. Gus is still DC in Seattle. Saleh still in Seattle as Def. QC coach & Marquand Manuel added as Asst. ST coach after Ulbrich went to UCLA to be LB coach there. Bruce Irvin & Bobby Wagner are drafted (as well as Russell Wilson)

So at this point, the players making up the "Legion of Boom" are already there prior to DQ returning as DC, and so Quinn had basically zero input on them being drafted.

2013, Bradley gets the HC in Jax, and DQ returns to fill his spot as DC in Seattle. The roster he inherits is stacked & the bulk of the defensive coaching staff has already been in place for 1-2 years (Rocky Seto, Kris Richard, Ken Norton Jr., Robert Saleh, Marquand Manuel). DQ is able to hit a homerun with a ball placed on a tee for him, and the defense helps guide Seattle to a Lombardi. None of the defensive players drafted amount to much of anything.

2014, With the same stacked roster & experienced coaching staff that were in place before he had any significant influence, Quinn's defensive again plays a large role in getting Seattle back to the Super Bowl. Again, there were no defensive players drafted this season that amounted to anything.

You ever ride in the car with someone else driving & they have to sneeze or something, so they ask you to hold the wheel for a second? Quinn was basically doing that with the Seattle D during his time as DC there. Everything was in motion already, someone else had already bought the car, tuned it up, and done most of the driving. All he had to do was steer it for a second without ending up in a ditch.

That led Arthur Blank to buy into the idea that DQ was actually a great driver, so he happily handed Quinn the keys to his Ferrari. And all DQ has done since is get it up to top speed a few times, have the adrenaline pumping with the thought we may FINALLY win the d@mned race... only to see him crash in spectacular fashion over and over and over and over again.

Instead of bringing the SB winning spirit of victory Seattle had in his first year there as DC, it seems he brought the total freaking boneheaded collapse style of Seattle's 2014 SB blunder.

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6 minutes ago, k-train said:

I had forgotten a little of the timeline, so I was a bit surprised when I went back to look and realized that both DQ & Gus Bradley were actually in Seattle before Pete Carroll arrived.

In 2009, Quinn was the DL coach & Asst. HC under Jim Mora, and Gus was the DC.

2010, Mora is canned & Pete Carroll keeps Gus on as DC & keeps Quinn on as just the DL coach. Jeff Ulbrich was added to this staff as Asst. ST coach. Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, and Walter Thurmond are drafted.

2011, Quinn heads to Florida, Gus stays the DC in Seattle, Ulbrich stays Asst. ST coach there as well. Carroll also added Robert Saleh as a Defensive QC coach for Seattle this year. Richard Sherman, KJ Wright, Byron Maxwell & Malcom Smith are drafted (Seattle used their 1st rounder in that draft on James Carpenter)

2012, Quinn is still at Florida as DC. Gus is still DC in Seattle. Saleh still in Seattle as Def. QC coach & Marquand Manuel added as Asst. ST coach after Ulbrich went to UCLA to be LB coach there. Bruce Irvin & Bobby Wagner are drafted (as well as Russell Wilson)

So at this point, the players making up the "Legion of Boom" are already there prior to DQ returning as DC, and so Quinn had basically zero input on them being drafted.

2013, Bradley gets the HC in Jax, and DQ returns to fill his spot as DC in Seattle. The roster he inherits is stacked & the bulk of the defensive coaching staff has already been in place for 1-2 years (Rocky Seto, Kris Richard, Ken Norton Jr., Robert Saleh, Marquand Manuel). DQ is able to hit a homerun with a ball placed on a tee for him, and the defense helps guide Seattle to a Lombardi. None of the defensive players drafted amount to much of anything.

2014, With the same stacked roster & experienced coaching staff that were in place before he had any significant influence, Quinn's defensive again plays a large role in getting Seattle back to the Super Bowl. Again, there were no defensive players drafted this season that amounted to anything.

You ever ride in the car with someone else driving & they have to sneeze or something, so they ask you to hold the wheel for a second? Quinn was basically doing that with the Seattle D during his time as DC there. Everything was in motion already, someone else had already bought the car, tuned it up, and done most of the driving. All he had to do was steer it for a second without ending up in a ditch.

Well, ****, looking at this time line, hiring DQ as an NFL head coach looks like a big mistake. He wasn’t ready. Too quick.

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7 minutes ago, k-train said:

I had forgotten a little of the timeline, so I was a bit surprised when I went back to look and realized that both DQ & Gus Bradley were actually in Seattle before Pete Carroll arrived.

In 2009, Quinn was the DL coach & Asst. HC under Jim Mora, and Gus was the DC.

2010, Mora is canned & Pete Carroll keeps Gus on as DC & keeps Quinn on as just the DL coach. Jeff Ulbrich was added to this staff as Asst. ST coach. Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, and Walter Thurmond are drafted.

2011, Quinn heads to Florida, Gus stays the DC in Seattle, Ulbrich stays Asst. ST coach there as well. Carroll also added Robert Saleh as a Defensive QC coach for Seattle this year. Richard Sherman, KJ Wright, Byron Maxwell & Malcom Smith are drafted (Seattle used their 1st rounder in that draft on James Carpenter)

2012, Quinn is still at Florida as DC. Gus is still DC in Seattle. Saleh still in Seattle as Def. QC coach & Marquand Manuel added as Asst. ST coach after Ulbrich went to UCLA to be LB coach there. Bruce Irvin & Bobby Wagner are drafted (as well as Russell Wilson)

So at this point, the players making up the "Legion of Boom" are already there prior to DQ returning as DC, and so Quinn had basically zero input on them being drafted.

2013, Bradley gets the HC in Jax, and DQ returns to fill his spot as DC in Seattle. The roster he inherits is stacked & the bulk of the defensive coaching staff has already been in place for 1-2 years (Rocky Seto, Kris Richard, Ken Norton Jr., Robert Saleh, Marquand Manuel). DQ is able to hit a homerun with a ball placed on a tee for him, and the defense helps guide Seattle to a Lombardi. None of the defensive players drafted amount to much of anything.

2014, With the same stacked roster & experienced coaching staff that were in place before he had any significant influence, Quinn's defensive again plays a large role in getting Seattle back to the Super Bowl. Again, there were no defensive players drafted this season that amounted to anything.

You ever ride in the car with someone else driving & they have to sneeze or something, so they ask you to hold the wheel for a second? Quinn was basically doing that with the Seattle D during his time as DC there. Everything was in motion already, someone else had already bought the car, tuned it up, and done most of the driving. All he had to do was steer it for a second without ending up in a ditch.

Thanks for the time to conduct this research and put it together to post here!

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1 hour ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

This. Carrol still has good defenses because they are not drafting guys from Montana St., Yale and Connecticut on defense for example. 

Really, who are those all Pros on defense they've drafted lately?

It's more about them being a well coached team and not being afraid to make a splash move when it's needed.

Clowney last year.... Adams this year....

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2 hours ago, PensacolaFalcon said:

   Quinn had pro bowl players on every level of the defense in Seattle. Plus that is Pete Carrols defense and evidence has shown DQ was just a place holder there. 

This is painfully obvious.  

Dan Quinn does not have the intellectual horse power to be a NFL head coach.  

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42 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

Really, who are those all Pros on defense they've drafted lately?

It's more about them being a well coached team and not being afraid to make a splash move when it's needed.

Clowney last year.... Adams this year....

On top of that, Carroll's defense is actually garbage. Was awful last year and looks to be more of the same this year. People just see Seahawks and still think it's a good defensive team...nah, they've been an offense-first team for a minute now.

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16 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said:

On top of that, Carroll's defense is actually garbage. Was awful last year and looks to be more of the same this year. People just see Seahawks and still think it's a good defensive team...nah, they've been an offense-first team for a minute now.

They're not the Legion of Boom that's for sure but they make defensive stops when it counts.

Did you see that running game last night?  They're going to be a tough match-up and Wilson is looking like the MVP this year.  In 2 games 9 TDs and a 140 passer rating.

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1 hour ago, k-train said:

I had forgotten a little of the timeline, so I was a bit surprised when I went back to look and realized that both DQ & Gus Bradley were actually in Seattle before Pete Carroll arrived.

In 2009, Quinn was the DL coach & Asst. HC under Jim Mora, and Gus was the DC.

2010, Mora is canned & Pete Carroll keeps Gus on as DC & keeps Quinn on as just the DL coach. Jeff Ulbrich was added to this staff as Asst. ST coach. Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, and Walter Thurmond are drafted.

2011, Quinn heads to Florida, Gus stays the DC in Seattle, Ulbrich stays Asst. ST coach there as well. Carroll also added Robert Saleh as a Defensive QC coach for Seattle this year. Richard Sherman, KJ Wright, Byron Maxwell & Malcom Smith are drafted (Seattle used their 1st rounder in that draft on James Carpenter)

2012, Quinn is still at Florida as DC. Gus is still DC in Seattle. Saleh still in Seattle as Def. QC coach & Marquand Manuel added as Asst. ST coach after Ulbrich went to UCLA to be LB coach there. Bruce Irvin & Bobby Wagner are drafted (as well as Russell Wilson)

So at this point, the players making up the "Legion of Boom" are already there prior to DQ returning as DC, and so Quinn had basically zero input on them being drafted.

2013, Bradley gets the HC in Jax, and DQ returns to fill his spot as DC in Seattle. The roster he inherits is stacked & the bulk of the defensive coaching staff has already been in place for 1-2 years (Rocky Seto, Kris Richard, Ken Norton Jr., Robert Saleh, Marquand Manuel). DQ is able to hit a homerun with a ball placed on a tee for him, and the defense helps guide Seattle to a Lombardi. None of the defensive players drafted amount to much of anything.

2014, With the same stacked roster & experienced coaching staff that were in place before he had any significant influence, Quinn's defensive again plays a large role in getting Seattle back to the Super Bowl. Again, there were no defensive players drafted this season that amounted to anything.

You ever ride in the car with someone else driving & they have to sneeze or something, so they ask you to hold the wheel for a second? Quinn was basically doing that with the Seattle D during his time as DC there. Everything was in motion already, someone else had already bought the car, tuned it up, and done most of the driving. All he had to do was steer it for a second without ending up in a ditch.

That led Arthur Blank to buy into the idea that DQ was actually a great driver, so he happily handed Quinn the keys to his Ferrari. And all DQ has done since is get it up to top speed a few times, have the adrenaline pumping with the thought we may FINALLY win the d@mned race... only to see him crash in spectacular fashion over and over and over and over again.

Instead of bringing the SB winning spirit of victory Seattle had in his first year there as DC, it seems he brought the total freaking boneheaded collapse style of Seattle's 2014 SB blunder.

This needs its own thread so everyone can see how we have been duped. 

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2 hours ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

Really, who are those all Pros on defense they've drafted lately?

It's more about them being a well coached team and not being afraid to make a splash move when it's needed.

Clowney last year.... Adams this year....

Saying Carrol was my point, where did I say he drafted all pros? He certainly found more talent on defense then we have over TDs tenure.  His talent and coaching ability made Quinn look decent. 

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Super Bowl 49... Dan Quinns final game as DC in Seattle.

The Seahawks enter the 4th quarter leading 24-14. Up until that time, no team leading by 10 points 4th quarter in the previous 48 superbowls had lost.

Now we all know that the game ended on an interception where it likely wouldve been wiser to give the ball to Beastmode, but the score was 28-24 New England and until Super Bowl 51 was the greatest Super Bowl comeback victory ever.

 

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