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I will be forever not happy with the safety position when it’s just an oft-injured Keke and the midget duo of Kazee and Allen. That said, I’m liking the construction of the roster overall for a few re

The 2017 team was incredibly talented.  Hands down our best roster ever, IMO.  The combination of Poe/Grady in the middle and great play in the secondary should have resulted in another SB appearance.

If everyone performs like they can we have a SB roster. That's a big if tho.

28 minutes ago, Vandy said:

That’s been the case for last couple years here. But I will say, top to bottom, this is our best roster (on paper) in Quinn’s tenure.

IMO , this is the best roster in the History of this team by a long shot.... I think everybody will agree by the end of this season.... If we have one....  Kind of sad to finally get this roster that I believe is 50% better than any other Falcon team that has been put together...Not only in starters , but even more so with the whole roster..  They have no excuse to not go deep into the playoffs .. none.  If Quinn can't win with what has been now given to him... He needs to be replaced,, not after the season,, But during the season if need be.Cause he has no excuse now. But  I will end with a positive note... I think he'll get his part done with the surrounding help and I do believe we will be a top 4 team this year at the very least....

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If you ever doubt the importance of having a very, very good head coach, just look at the list of worst Head Coaches to win a Super Bowl.  They are all pretty dang good

 

Let me start off by saying I know all of these guys were at least good coaches. Just remember, somebody has to be on the bottom of the list.”

😎 Tony Dungy, Indianapolis Colts – Dungy could never quite get the Bucs over the hump and as soon as he left, the Bucs won a Super Bowl. Maybe they would have won it with him, but we will never know. In Indianapolis, he consistently had dominating regular seasons only to come up short when it mattered, the playoffs. How many times can you rest your players at the end of the season until you realize that maybe that’s not the best idea?

7) Jon Gruden, Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Here is a “quarterback guru” who never could quite develop a quarterback as a head coach. Gruden did bring the Raiders back from almost a decade of ineptness and he did win a Super Bowl against the Raiders, but the rest of his career he was pretty much a .500 coach. Maybe he takes himself off this list in Oakland but I doubt it.

6) Mike Ditka, Chicago Bears – I know 1985 was one of the greatest teams of all time. My question to you would be, why didn’t they go back after 1985? Buddy Ryan left and the defense was never the same. Ditka also never could find the right quarterback, but no excuses here. The 1986 and 1987 Bears didn’t make it back to the Super Bowl because Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells were just better coaches. What didn’t help matters was Ditka was convinced that Doug Flutie may have been the answer. Plus, you have to include his three years with the Saints, which were an absolute mess.

5) Mike McCarthy, Green Bay Packers – McCarthy is a good coach. But that’s where it ends. He presided over a very fortunate playoff run in a season where his team never should have made the playoffs. That said, it’s his decision-making and lack of ability to make adjustments in the postseason that has him on this list.

The best example of a promising season coming to an end due to his conservative coaching is the 2014 NFC Championship collapse.

McCarthy has largely built a coaching legacy on the coattails of two hall of fame quarterbacks. We have all seen what happens when Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre isn’t there to cover up his deficiencies.                                                                                                                                                                                                                    4) Brian Billick, Baltimore Ravens – Brian Billick was an average coach at best and if it weren’t for the 2000 Ravens, who went 12-4 en route to a Super Bowl XXXV victory over the Giants, people wouldnt remember him. The 2000 Ravens had one of the greatest defenses in NFL history and an anemic offense. Billick was known for being an offensive guru but in his time at Baltimore, the Ravens were never better than average on offense while the defense was the main point of the team.

3) Don McCafferty, Baltimore Colts – Don McCafferty was only in the NFL for four seasons. He stayed with the Colts through the 1972 season before taking over for the 1973 Detroit Lions. He, unfortunately, suffered a fatal heart attack while cutting the grass before the start of the 1974 NFL season. McCafferty was only 53 years old. McCafferty doesn’t get a lot of credit for the 1970 Colts but he should. Part of the reason that Shula left the Colts may have been because they were getting old, but McCafferty lead the Colts to a Super Bowl win something, Shula never accomplished in Baltimore. Maybe if he doesn’t tragically pass away at such a young age he wouldn’t even be on this list, but there is no way to know that for sure.

2) Gary Kubiak, Denver Broncos – As a head coach Kubiak has a 73-68 regular season record, winning only 51.8% of his games. He took over the Broncos in 2015 and won the Super Bowl that year based on a great defense that was coached by Wade Phillips. Remember the Broncos were in the Super Bowl two years earlier, so it wasn’t like he had to build a team. This team won because of the defense, led by Phillips, and the front office led by General Manager John Elway.

1) Barry Switzer, Dallas Cowboys – Switzer was a great college coach, but then again his players at Oklahoma may have been better taken care of then the Cowboys. Switzer walked into a perfect situation and after dropping the 1994 NFC Championship game to the 49ers, he came back to beat the Packers in the 1995 NFC Championship game and eventually beat the Neil O’Donnell-led Steelers in the Super Bowl.  Switzer went 40-24 during his regular season with the Cowboys and 5-2 in the postseason.What hurts Switzer’s NFL legacy the most is, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was probably right when he said that anybody could have won a Super Bowl with The Triplets (Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin).

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4 hours ago, Vandy said:

Seems like I’ve heard this a few times before......🤫

 

j/k nut. I think I agree with you on this one!

I tell ya what.... I also believe there are going to be a lot of teams will be wishing they had drafted  QB Justin Herbert ,,, I think this QB will  be the one player many teams will wish they had drafted him...  IMO,, the most underrated player in the 2020 Draft... I said this right before the draft and sure nuff.. He slide in the first..  But remember what I say here.. May take him a Rookie season to start getting his best... But  I do believe He will end up  being the best  QB in the 2020 draft.  But may take a little more time for him to reach his potential. 

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Oh! And one more thing,, I was hoping we would trade back up and get Herbert so he could be the back up QB and learn under Ryan... What a great replacement he would have been when ever Ryan decided to call it a career ,, Hope Ryan plays 5 more years.. But I do doubt that...

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8 hours ago, Vandy said:

That’s been the case for last couple years here. But I will say, top to bottom, this is our best roster (on paper) in Quinn’s tenure.

Imo the ‘17 roster is right there with it. This yrs roster will have to prove it. Injuries and coaching changes mostly KS and his cronies leaving was a major problem that yr. Just think about all the injuries early on in ‘17. Plus the DL with Poe and Bs coming off a 16 sack season, a very good back end on the defense with veterans everywhere Tru Alford KK Rico and don’t forget Brian Poole. Offensively going in Chester was the only OL that was missing from the SB OL and was replaced by a mediocre Schweitzer. That was TDs best OL. We had Freeman in his peak and Teco was coming off a great yr. If this yrs roster stays healthy and performs to their hype/ability it very well could be the best ever...but questions remain about the rookie M Davidson (how good will he be), AJ Terrell, McGary, LG, Gurley, Hurst, Sheffield, Oliver, KK injures. I do think we have more depth this yr... but same as in ‘17 I think we need another edge that can get after the QB.

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13 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said:

Imo the ‘17 roster is right there with it. This yrs roster will have to prove it. Injuries and coaching changes mostly KS and his cronies leaving was a major problem that yr. Just think about all the injuries early on in ‘17. Plus the DL with Poe and Bs coming off a 16 sack season, a very good back end on the defense with veterans everywhere Tru Alford KK Rico and don’t forget Brian Poole. Offensively going in Chester was the only OL that was missing from the SB OL and was replaced by a mediocre Schweitzer. That was TDs best OL. We had Freeman in his peak and Teco was coming off a great yr. If this yrs roster stays healthy and performs to their hype/ability it very well could be the best ever...but questions remain about the rookie M Davidson (how good will he be), AJ Terrell, McGary, LG, Gurley, Hurst, Sheffield, Oliver, KK injures. I do think we have more depth this yr... but same as in ‘17 I think we need another edge that can get after the QB.

Great point on 2017. That was a very talented roster for sure, ATL.

I wanted Chaisson as that other edge, but TD/Quinn put themselves in a position where they almost had to draft a corner.

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On 8/9/2020 at 1:02 PM, MSalmon said:

True. I still don’t trust koetter tbh. I also am suspect of DQ. But the talent is there, at least, 

I do like raheem as DC

I still don't think Dirk was his call. I wouldn't be surprised if Blank lost faith in his OC picks after firing Sark that he meddled in the selection process.  Blank has some Jerry Jones in him. 

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6 hours ago, Atl Falcon said:

Imo the ‘17 roster is right there with it. This yrs roster will have to prove it. Injuries and coaching changes mostly KS and his cronies leaving was a major problem that yr. Just think about all the injuries early on in ‘17. Plus the DL with Poe and Bs coming off a 16 sack season, a very good back end on the defense with veterans everywhere Tru Alford KK Rico and don’t forget Brian Poole. Offensively going in Chester was the only OL that was missing from the SB OL and was replaced by a mediocre Schweitzer. That was TDs best OL. We had Freeman in his peak and Teco was coming off a great yr. If this yrs roster stays healthy and performs to their hype/ability it very well could be the best ever...but questions remain about the rookie M Davidson (how good will he be), AJ Terrell, McGary, LG, Gurley, Hurst, Sheffield, Oliver, KK injures. I do think we have more depth this yr... but same as in ‘17 I think we need another edge that can get after the QB.

The 2017 team was incredibly talented.  Hands down our best roster ever, IMO.  The combination of Poe/Grady in the middle and great play in the secondary should have resulted in another SB appearance.  We made two historically good offenses play on our terms in the playoffs.  Held the Rams 17 points below their season average and Eagles 15 points below.

Bad luck all year (dropped passes, Neal kneeing an easy INT, weird INT’s) and growing pains by Sark ruined our best opportunity to win a SB.  We were a year early in 2016.  2017 & 2018 set up perfectly for us....fml
 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Draftnut57 said:

IMO , this is the best roster in the History of this team by a long shot.... I think everybody will agree by the end of this season.... If we have one....  Kind of sad to finally get this roster that I believe is 50% better than any other Falcon team that has been put together...Not only in starters , but even more so with the whole roster..  They have no excuse to not go deep into the playoffs .. none.  If Quinn can't win with what has been now given to him... He needs to be replaced,, not after the season,, But during the season if need be.Cause he has no excuse now. But  I will end with a positive note... I think he'll get his part done with the surrounding help and I do believe we will be a top 4 team this year at the very least....

We have had championship- caliber rosters for several years.  Yes, this looks like the best ever.

Will Quinn screw it up again?  
 

If a dullard like Orgeron can win the national championship, maybe a dunce like Quinn can steal a Super Bowl.

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1 hour ago, Doug Carlton said:

Takk and Oliver have to go. just awful.

Well, I've never been a Tack  fan...  But don't worry now.. We have more pass rushers on this team than we've ever had... you can even say that about many positions this year... that's why I am so convinced it will be our year.

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On 8/10/2020 at 11:16 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

The 2017 team was incredibly talented.  Hands down our best roster ever, IMO.  The combination of Poe/Grady in the middle and great play in the secondary should have resulted in another SB appearance.  We made two historically good offenses play on our terms in the playoffs.  Held the Rams 17 points below their season average and Eagles 15 points below.

Bad luck all year (dropped passes, Neal kneeing an easy INT, weird INT’s) and growing pains by Sark ruined our best opportunity to win a SB.  We were a year early in 2016.  2017 & 2018 set up perfectly for us....fml
 

 

 

It was, indeed. This season I really like the way the DL was re-configured. Taking last years addition of Cominsky and Teyler, but then adding Fowler and Marlon really resonated with me. I also like the low risk/high reward potential of Charles Johnson. This is a far more physical, yet still athletic group than last year. Not too mention Cominsky and Marlon can legit lay outside or inside.

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Came just to say, I love this post. Nearly everything I agree with. While Im no fan of Teyler, I do think the Dline is better.

I really like Terrell. Still love Matt and still Hate Dirk. Hurst will be so much better than soft Hooper. 

Still hopping LG works out better than last year. Gurley isnt about his knee its about Dirks sucky offense.
 

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On 8/10/2020 at 5:58 AM, etherdome said:

Our roster is fine.  Our  head coaching is not.

I will agree with our Roster being great.. Best I've ever seen ,, at least 25% better than any I've ever seen... I am a little more optimistic that our Coaches have learned a lot of lessons the last few years... and have finally figured it out...  We just need to stick to high percentage plays most of the time.. Yes we have to throw one deep ever so often just to keep the Opposing D#  off our backs..  I'm believing that our Coaches have studied all off season ,, and will make a huge improvement.  As I have said.. I think we will be no less than 11- 5,, and I actually believe we may win more than that..   I do think we'll be 20% better in the playoffs than when the games start this coming season.

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