ESPN’s QB RANKINGS - 2020

[tl;dr]

lol at Dak, Wentz and Stafford

[FalconsIn2012]

23 minutes ago, New Jersey Falcon said:

Wentz can't stay on the field.  Stafford was hurt for half the year.  Your best ability is your availability.  Sure Wentz has the intangibles to be a great QB, but he's consistently shown hes injury prone and shouldnt even sniff top 10 bc of it.  Ryan is consistently putting up numbers with a revolving door OC every 2-3 years.  Mine wouldve been:

Mahomes

Wilson

Brady

Brees 

Lamar (defenses will start to defend better)

Rodgers (GB gave him 0 help with draft)

Dak (another weapon in Lamb)

Watson 

Ryan

Murray

Stafford

Wentz

Big Ben 

 

Perhaps Im a homer, but if we are basing it off the past few years, my list would be:

1. Mahomes

2. Wilson

3 (tie). Brady/Brees/Ryan

6. Rodgers

7. Jackson

8. Stafford

9 (tie).  Watson/Dak

11. Wentz

[New Jersey Falcon]

58 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Perhaps Im a homer, but if we are basing it off the past few years, my list would be:

1. Mahomes

2. Wilson

3 (tie). Brady/Brees/Ryan

6. Rodgers

7. Jackson

8. Stafford

9 (tie).  Watson/Dak

11. Wentz

I edited mine after thinking it over lol.  Agree with you, I think Ryan (as always in his 2nd year in a continuously new system) does much better.  Watson will end up throwing a lot more this year without Hop, but can his receiving core stay off the trainer's table/ his O line keep him upright so bumped him down.  And rodgers dropped bc of what I said of GB not giving him help.

[Spts1]

2 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Here he is for you...lol

 

There you go keep stirring this up.  Bomani ate up this Matt with the go ahead pick two lost.  Almost impossible to do but it happened...

[Spts1]

1 hour ago, Vandy said:

I don’t get the media’s infatuation about Prescott either Rings, other than he’s the QB in Dallas. They supposedly have a talented team, yet what have they won? 

Watson is better than Prescott...

[PokerSteve]

12 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

If anyone needs a good laugh, read Bomani Jones take on Ryan being a future HOF QB:

ESPN's Bomani Jones ignites intense debate on Matt Ryan

A Falcons fan shut Bomani up by offering up this fact: “only two QB’s in the history of football have at least 50,000 passing yards and 300 TD’s in 12 years.  

     ¥.  Peyton Manning

     ¥.  Couldn’t Be Matt Ryan

https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/espn-s-bomani-jones-ignites-intense-debate-on-matt-ryan

Is Bomani a synonym for Bovine? Seems like it. 

[Vandy]

4 hours ago, Spts1 said:

Watson is better than Prescott...

I think so too, but If media is going to hold Matt’s lack of rings/playoff success  as a criteria against him....what has Watson won?  fact is, Watson has so far been underwhelming overall in playoffs, while Matt as a playoff passer has been elite.
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm

 

[Tim Mazetti]

10 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

All I could do was laugh when I read what he said...

Is he 12 years old?

[FormerFan-RobertAP]

13 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Where do you think Matt Ryan should rank on the list?

3rd.  Behind Mahomes and possibly Wilson.  Frankly, I think that Ryan is better than Wilson, but popular consensus is that Wilson does more with less, and that Ryan has a ton of help.  I can't argue with that, but Matt has consistently put up better numbers than Wilson, so...

I'm also accounting for the fact that Matt had an off year last year.  I suspect that he will not repeat that this year.

[A Pimp Named Slickback™]

48 minutes ago, robertap said:

Ryan has a ton of help.

I see this said a lot, even in Bomani argument on Twitter the other day. I always ask, and will ask now, why is help always brought up, and only brought up with Matt Ryan and his numbers? A majority of QBs in the league have significant help on offense, whether by having great WRs/TE or a great running game. Matt is the only QB that I've seen get knocked for having Julio, or a great WR core. Some teams get praised for how dangerous their weapons are, but that QB of said team would never catch flack for having those weapons... Only seem to apply to Matt Ryan.

 

Nothing against the quoted poster btw, just saw this quip and wanted to touch on it.

[PokerSteve]

5 minutes ago, A Pimp Named Slickback™ said:

I see this said a lot, even in Bomani argument on Twitter the other day. I always ask, and will ask now, why is help always brought up, and only brought up with Matt Ryan and his numbers? A majority of QBs in the league have significant help on offense, whether by having great WRs/TE or a great running game. Matt is the only QB that I've seen get knocked for having Julio, or a great WR core. Some teams get praised for how dangerous their weapons are, but that QB of said team would never catch flack for having those weapons... Only seem to apply to Matt Ryan.

 

Nothing against the quoted poster btw, just saw this quip and wanted to touch on it.

Good point. Obvious selective negative bias based on dislike of Matt Ryan.

[NorthGaBoy]

I love it.  It will be fun to watch these guys change their narrative when we win the big game.  Even if on that glorious day Matt has a bad day, they will smother him in praise.  His accomplishments over all these years will not matter.  His play that day, good or bad, will not matter.  They will be saying they knew all the time Matt Ryan was the right QB for Atlanta and that he should have had several rings if not for weak spots on the team. 

These sports casters are like news casters and politicians.  They say anything they want to.  Did you know that some infamous politicians have publicly stated that you can do whatever you want, break promises, upset your voting populace, break the law, as long as you tow the line and make great speeches 6 months before election.  They say the idiots that vote for them can't remember the other crap they did. 

Remember what these sports casters and analyst are saying about Matt Ryan now.  Give them **** when they change their stories later.

[A Pimp Named Slickback™]

8 minutes ago, PokerSteve said:

Good point. Obvious selective negative bias based on dislike of Matt Ryan.

Like seriously, some of the guys ahead of him have weapons galore.

[red falcon]

Wentz's and stafford are not better than ice. I would keep Watson up there though. 

[Snafu]

How do people still put Rodgers so far up and Matt so far down when Matt has consistently had higher-high's and higher-low's stats wise.

Edited July 10, 2020 by Snafu

[Vandy]

3 hours ago, Snafu said:

How do people still put Rodgers so far up and Matt so far down when Matt has consistently had higher-high's and higher-low's stats wise.

Same reason they still do Brady. Because Rodgers has a ring. 

Which we all know is dumb, but don't go talking out of your other side by putting mid-tier QBs ahead of him like Prescott, Wentz, Stafford who also aren't as good nor have rings. 

Media is just ******* dumb.

[Jesus]

Dak is gonna struggle in McCarthy's offense.

[Snafu]

3 hours ago, Vandy said:

Same reason they still do Brady. Because Rodgers has a ring. 

Which we all know is dumb, but don't go talking out of your other side by putting mid-tier QBs ahead of him like Prescott, Wentz, Stafford who also aren't as good nor have rings. 

Media is just ******* dumb.

Im with you. It's asinine at this point. Every major statistical category puts Matt as one of the best in NFL history. That's with him constantly leading a team w/ bottom of the barrel defenses who dont put the ball in his hands as much as some other QB's.

Edited July 11, 2020 by Snafu

[RING OF HONOR]

8 hours ago, Spts1 said:

Watson is better than Prescott...

I think so as well....

But honestly these rankings dont mean much

 

[FalconsIn2012]

2 hours ago, Jesus said:

Dak is gonna struggle in McCarthy's offense.

I wish we hired McCarthy.  He is going all in on the Shanny system and seems to ha e a grasp as to how to run the system:

 

Dallas Cowboys: More Wide Zone 2 RB Sets

Mike McCarthy specifically named the 2 running back set as something he’s like to take from Kyle Shanahan’s offense in San Francisco. Running a 21 personnel group is not foreign to Dallas, by any means (per Sharp stats, Dallas ran 94 plays from a 21 group last season), but they didn’t employ it with the frequency or “style” that San Fran did.

Last season, Kyle Shanahan used 21 personnel 28 percent of snaps (compared to Dallas who used it just 9 percent). His 312 plays from 21 personnel were by far the most in the NFL, making it basically his signature package.

The 49ers offense runs a wide zone running scheme that thrives in 21 packages. It creates great cutting lanes that carve up defenses for relatively big plays. The Dallas Cowboys happened to bring in a wide zone offensive line coach in Joe Philbin. He has spoke of incorporating many of the same things Shanahan runs in San Fran already. It’s pretty darn clear right now McCarthy, Philbin, and Kellen Moore are all on the same page here regarding more 21 personnel and more wide-zone runs from it.

 

But McCarthy stated the Dallas Cowboys need to do a few things in order to approach similar success:

1. Motion and play-action: we’ll get into this in an upcoming article but this plays a huge role in Mike McCarthy’s, Kellen Moore’s, and Kyle Shanahan’s offenses so it stands to reason we’re about to see more of this than ever seen before ‘round these parts.
2. Pass deeper downfield with PA: something that jumps off the page comparing the 49ers passing game in a 21 group compared to the Dallas Cowboys’ is how much more productive Shanahan was downfield. He may have run more often than passed but when he passed he went for the jugular. While the Cowboys just averaged 5.9 yards per attempt , San Fran averaged 9.7 yards per attempt.
3. Give your play-makers a chance: at face value it looks like Shanahan passed deep downfield while Dallas just settled for what they could get, but the reality is San Fran just had better designed plays that freed up their play-makers (often the TE and RB) that gave them room to make plays in space.

 

[kenn.junior]

On 7/10/2020 at 8:51 AM, MAD597 said:

No way Wentz, Watson, Stafford should be ranked higher than Ryan.

Dak shouldnt be ahead of matt either Dak is terrible lol 

[MoFalconsFan56]

COVID has gotten me out of the habit of watching ESPN. That’s one positive that’s come from this mess. Idc ab anyone’s opinion or silly little list outside of my circle lol

[Dukeduke211]

I will go with #2

[IamFRESCO1]

On 7/10/2020 at 8:44 AM, FalconsIn2012 said:

Here he is for you...lol

 

That's video is hard to watch....and just think...to add to the rest of what he said..we blew the SB...lol wow we blow.

[Ergo Proxy]

On 7/10/2020 at 9:56 AM, Rings said:

Dak? Wentz? Stafford?  Rodgers at three is laughable, Ryan has outplayed him the last five years, really pathetic how much people get hung up on a ring and arm strength thinking it will lead to future success.

This is why I hate main stream media, they don’t dig deep at all and if it didn’t make their stations highlight reel they don’t know a lot about it, and most the time they talk just to talk.

That said I think Mina Kimes does a really good job on ESPN staying grounded, balanced and knowing her stuff.

This post right here. Dude, you crush it with getting to the roots. Bravo.

ESPN is a joke but Mina definitely holds it down on the truth about Ryan. Ryan is AT LEAST a top 10 QB still; even after a down year changing coordinators yet again...

Rodgers...Wentz...Ryan is higher than them at minimum for anyone objectively looking at the last few years; even if you cut out 2016 and do a 3 year window.

I'd put Aaron where Ryan is; more so than at 3 or even touching Top 5(that’s more what Ryan could be argued for basically) and also can put Wentz/Brady lower. Dak is clearly ahead of those two tho and deserves to be top 10. Wentz is not top 10. Brady should be able to stay inside that assuming he bounces back with a good set of weapons in Tampa + Arians.