FalconsIn2012 35,691 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Despite all the talk about us trying to keep the same/similar offense in place for Ryan, one glaring stat shows that is not the case. The NFL’s best offenses use Pre-snap motion at a very high rate. The 49ers, Patriots, Ravens, Chiefs, Cowboys & Titans led the way in 2019 with their use of pre-snap motion. Not surprisingly, those were the top offensive teams. At this point you must be wondering where the Falcons ranked: Bottom 10 Team Rates Of Motion At The Snap RANK TEAM SNAP MOTION PERCENTAGE 32 Jaguars 4% 31 Falcons 5% 30 Jets 5% This team is so confused on the offensive side of the ball. Smiler11, PokerSteve, MilleniumFalcon and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slick0ne 2,015 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Koetter says line up and beat your man, Dayumn all the window dressings. opensource001, Pacific_Falcon, arrogantBEAST and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlazerSlayer 429 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Being as teams have their defense focused on Julio, quite often doubled, there would be value in motioning more often. Stress the defense at least. MilleniumFalcon, HouseofEuphoria and blkbigdog35 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,691 Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, slick0ne said: Koetter says line up and beat your man, Dayumn all the window dressings. So true... I mentioned lack of pre snap motion last year and people said we are using motion as much as we always have.. Godzilla1985, slick0ne and g-dawg 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATLFalcon36 2,822 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Koetter is an unimaginative pile of trash coordinator. I still can't believe we brought him back with a power/4 verts offense after what we produced with a shanhan, motion-heavy, ZBS WCO. MilleniumFalcon, ATLskinjob and mtldirtybird 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PokerSteve 27,222 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 35 minutes ago, slick0ne said: Koetter says line up and beat your man, Dayumn all the window dressings. I don't know what is the most dangerous threat to the Atlanta Falcons season; Covid-19 or Koetter 2.0. My guess is Koetter 2.0. Tim Mazetti, FalconsIn2012, slick0ne and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndySG 3,863 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Matt has always performed at his best using no huddle and play action too and Koetter doesn’t want him doing either FalconsIn2012, MilleniumFalcon, HouseofEuphoria and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpg428gggg 1,669 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I still can't believe we hired this retread. His only success as a coordinator came when he had a loaded offense. People wanted to get rid of him when he was with Jacksonville where he was ranked at one of the worst coordinators in football. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,691 Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, AndySG said: Matt has always performed at his best using no huddle and play action too and Koetter doesn’t want him doing either Sad but true PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HASHBROWN3 17,243 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Remember what MR did under Shanny? I cannot fathom just how much more incredible MR could have been having had the same OC/HC & scheme in his career. Imagine if he had even remotely similar career long stability & consistency to what Drew Brees & Tom Brady have had their ENTIRE careers! And still MR's one of the best QB's of his time & HOF worthy. It proves just how awesome that guy has been all these years. B_Lo_Touchdowns, AndySG, FalconsIn2012 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ezekiel 25:17 17,399 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 hours ago, AndySG said: Matt has always performed at his best using no huddle and play action too and Koetter doesn’t want him doing either Yeah, no huddle Matt is Fire! It just gets him in attack mode and takes thinking out of it and that is when he is at his best! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
octoslash 18,169 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Well, we don't want to resort to trickery just to win games, y'all. That's not classy. FalconAge 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NorthGaBoy 1,329 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Why is it that we see the truth on Koetter and the Falcons organization does not? They are the professionals, right? B_Lo_Touchdowns 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HouseofEuphoria 3,695 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Once again we're waiting on the other team to make a mistake instead of instigating it. We've ridden this pony before. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcanuck 10,532 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 What is KC? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HASHBROWN3 17,243 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Top 10 Team Rates Of Motion At The Snap RANK TEAM SNAP MOTION PERCENTAGE* *Percentage of offensive plays (not including spikes and kneels). 1 Ravens 34% 2 Chargers 20% 3 Texans 19% 4 49ers 18% 5 Chiefs 17% 6 Rams 16% 7 Cardinals 15% 8 Panthers 15% 9 Eagles 14% 10 Bengals 11% Bottom 10 Team Rates Of Motion At The Snap RANK TEAM SNAP MOTION PERCENTAGE 32 Jaguars 4% 31 Falcons 5% 30 Jets 5% 29 Dolphins 5% 28 Vikings 5% 27 Giants 5% 26 Lions 5% 25 Buccaneers 6% 24 Browns 7% 23 Colts 7% Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDaveG 42,564 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 6 hours ago, AndySG said: Matt has always performed at his best using no huddle and play action too and Koetter doesn’t want him doing either 6 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said: Sad but true 3 hours ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said: Yeah, no huddle Matt is Fire! It just gets him in attack mode and takes thinking out of it and that is when he is at his best! Y'all, come on. Shanahan is the one who limited no huddle. Everyone here was mad in 2015 because we didn't try to keep Koetter and Shanny wouldn't let Matt run no huddle on a whim. There were entire threads about how stupid Shanahan was because he wanted to actually run his offense instead of just letting Matt freelance. I still remember the "fire Shanahan and let Matt be his own OC" threads, which were lollocausts. It's fine to not like the dude, and the pre-snap motion criticism is valid. But Koetter runs a lot more no huddle than Shanahan ever thought of running. You know why everyone knows Matt likes to run it? Because Mularkey and Koetter gave him the keys and cut him loose. It wasn't until Shanahan got here that it was limited. Those are facts. Mr.11, Tim Mazetti, RetroRoq and 6 others 4 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ezekiel 25:17 17,399 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, JDaveG said: Y'all, come on. Shanahan is the one who limited no huddle. Everyone here was mad in 2015 because we didn't try to keep Koetter and Shanny wouldn't let Matt run no huddle on a whim. There were entire threads about how stupid Shanahan was because he wanted to actually run his offense instead of just letting Matt freelance. I still remember the "fire Shanahan and let Matt be his own OC" threads, which were lollocausts. It's fine to not like the dude, and the pre-snap motion criticism is valid. But Koetter runs a lot more no huddle than Shanahan ever thought of running. You know why everyone knows Matt likes to run it? Because Mularkey and Koetter gave him the keys and cut him loose. It wasn't until Shanahan got here that it was limited. Those are facts. My thing is, can’t you find a happy median? We know Ryan did well in Shannanhans Offense, but he also is great in no huddle. How about we take the best of both worlds and be fire? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tim Mazetti 12,102 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 57 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said: Bottom 10 Team Rates Of Motion At The Snap RANK TEAM SNAP MOTION PERCENTAGE 32 Jaguars 4% 31 Falcons 5% 30 Jets 5% 29 Dolphins 5% 28 Vikings 5% 27 Giants 5% 26 Lions 5% 25 Buccaneers 6% 24 Browns 7% 23 Colts 7% Not too many playoff teams there, eh? HASHBROWN3 and Vandy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VTCrunkler 9,108 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 8 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said: The NFL’s best offenses use Pre-snap motion at a very high rate now this is a good topic. I wondered why we never or rarely used pre snap motion. At the very least add a little bit of confusion and doubt in the opposition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 25,763 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, JDaveG said: Y'all, come on. Shanahan is the one who limited no huddle. Everyone here was mad in 2015 because we didn't try to keep Koetter and Shanny wouldn't let Matt run no huddle on a whim. There were entire threads about how stupid Shanahan was because he wanted to actually run his offense instead of just letting Matt freelance. I still remember the "fire Shanahan and let Matt be his own OC" threads, which were lollocausts. It's fine to not like the dude, and the pre-snap motion criticism is valid. But Koetter runs a lot more no huddle than Shanahan ever thought of running. You know why everyone knows Matt likes to run it? Because Mularkey and Koetter gave him the keys and cut him loose. It wasn't until Shanahan got here that it was limited. Those are facts. JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SoCalFalconFan 1,664 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 9 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said: Despite all the talk about us trying to keep the same/similar offense in place for Ryan, one glaring stat shows that is not the case. The NFL’s best offenses use Pre-snap motion at a very high rate. The 49ers, Patriots, Ravens, Chiefs, Cowboys & Titans led the way in 2019 with their use of pre-snap motion. Not surprisingly, those were the top offensive teams. At this point you must be wondering where the Falcons ranked: Bottom 10 Team Rates Of Motion At The Snap RANK TEAM SNAP MOTION PERCENTAGE 32 Jaguars 4% 31 Falcons 5% 30 Jets 5% This team is so confused on the offensive side of the ball. Good find, man. It's hard to see the defense they're in without pre-snap motion. It's surprising Koetter doesn't call for it more often. Well... maybe it isn't. FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,691 Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, JDaveG said: Y'all, come on. Shanahan is the one who limited no huddle. Everyone here was mad in 2015 because we didn't try to keep Koetter and Shanny wouldn't let Matt run no huddle on a whim. There were entire threads about how stupid Shanahan was because he wanted to actually run his offense instead of just letting Matt freelance. I still remember the "fire Shanahan and let Matt be his own OC" threads, which were lollocausts. It's fine to not like the dude, and the pre-snap motion criticism is valid. But Koetter runs a lot more no huddle than Shanahan ever thought of running. You know why everyone knows Matt likes to run it? Because Mularkey and Koetter gave him the keys and cut him loose. It wasn't until Shanahan got here that it was limited. Those are facts. I was agreeing with limited PA. Koetter is the one who got Ryan into no-huddle JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
opensource001 1,063 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Why yall want to give Koetter more things to deal with? Next thing you're going to want his offenses to score actual points instead of just racking up yards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NorthGaBoy 1,329 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 So what does this all come down to? The high level of this is quite simple. Offenses run plays to gain yardage. Defenses try to stop them. Because defenses must react to what the offense does, they try to become predictive. They guess. When they guess right, it is a defensive showcase. When they guess wrong, the offense runs over them. Of course, rarely does this swing one way or the other every play in a game. It goes back and forth. So, how does an offense win? Fool the defense. Do not be predictive. Mix it up. Runs, play action, outside passes, middle passes, deep passes, screens, even wildcat once in a great while. The Falcons offense is too predictable for my taste. That needs to change. Now, lets forget the statistics. What did Shanahan do? He produced offensive game plans that attacked the defenses. He only did this for us his last season here. Then, in the SB, he became Mr. Predictable in the 4th quarter. I do not know why. He repeated that in SF. I cannot imagine what he is thinking. What does Koetter do? Run, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, run................. Break the predictability. This is in part what the no huddle does. It forces the defense to guess quickly and line up. Do anything you can to prevent the defense from getting in the proper alignment and assigning proper responsibilities to stop a play. There are many ways to do this. Run, pass, pass........ does not do it. Koetter needs to get creative or become the ball boy. The good thing about cleaning and drying footballs is you can do it the same way every time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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