kiwifalcon Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, HouseofEuphoria said: That game was ugly. A lot of those first 8 games were ugly. Bad player execution plus bad play-calling, bad personnel groupings, bad special teams play, multiple games with way more penalties than normal, ...it was like a square peg in a round hole concept that, once "executed", was very keystone coppish. Have a look at that first series against the Vikings. 1st down straight drop PA fake to Free Matthews blew the block yes. 2nd down in the I we are 2nd and 15 Free gets 5 of it back 3rd down in the gun good protection Ryan runs for 10 4th down punt. See for me the pass with nothing in the backfield sets the tone for Koetter. He does a lot of this ****,no deception of what he wants to do so defenses have a beat on him right away. Yet Matthews blown block is the key apparently.I bet if I go watch a lot more of these games I’ll see poor play calling like this. PS the late movement upfront is why Matthews missed that block but of course stuff like this isn’t mentioned because it destroys narratives. HouseofEuphoria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, OilFuturesTrader19 said: I think Hurst was horribly miscast/misused. I think he can be better than Hooper. Crossing my fingers. Definitely thinking Hurst has more upside. We know he can block better but Hoop-was great at finding holes in the defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoPTSD Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said: That’s why I mentioned him as a poison chalice as he’s shown what this team offensively could look like then you replace it with guys like Sark & Koetter and it’s like there not in the same league. Now we are where we are where we are at. We talk execution and it has something to do with it but if your asking guys to do something they can’t do or use a game plan that’s putting them at risk like we saw with McGarry against NO gm 2 we see these 9 sack games Ryan running for his life. Letting Shanahan leave city limits without making him the highest paid assistant in the history of NFL is regrettable in Blanks resume. Just bad football move. We had a historic offense. What would going rate have been in 2016? They didn't even try to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, OrthoPTSD said: Letting Shanahan leave city limits without making him the highest paid assistant in the history of NFL is regrettable in Blanks resume. Just bad football move. We had a historic offense. What would going rate have been in 2016? They didn't even try to keep him. Unless he was getting promoted to HC I don’t think there was any chance the Falcons hold onto him.Its a shame but that was thee reality of the situation.Niners gave him the golden ticket we couldn’t compete with that unless as above we gave him Quinn’s job. Tim Mazetti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: See for me the pass with nothing in the backfield sets the tone for Koetter. He does a lot of this ****,no deception of what he wants to do so defenses have a beat on him right away. Yet Matthews blown block is the key apparently.I bet if I go watch a lot more of these games I’ll see poor play calling like this. PS the late movement upfront is why Matthews missed that block but of course stuff like this isn’t mentioned because it destroys narratives. Agreed. On the very first down, against a fresh defense, and you got noone in the backfield. Not smart. You have to establish some sort of question in the defenses mind on whether it's a pass or a run, otherwise it's a jailbreak. Vandy, kiwifalcon and Tim Mazetti 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Not as much as yall keep saying. Go back and watch the dam games bro. You aint even gotta watch a full quarter of the very first game to see a year's worth of keystone cop execution. It continued for half a season. Vets, rooks, second year players, you name it. That wasn't coaching. That was turrible player execution. We were out of most games by half time and usually had to abandon the game plan. Coaching my as. I'm just not following the logic here. Same players, different coach. things dramatically improve and the only thing that changed was the coaching but the coaching change wasn't the reason they got better. Strange. kiwifalcon, Tim Mazetti, HouseofEuphoria and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: A lot. Including player execution. So based on your logic, the team just executed better under Shannahan. It had nothing to do with Shannahan's scheme. kiwifalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, OrthoPTSD said: Letting Shanahan leave city limits without making him the highest paid assistant in the history of NFL is regrettable in Blanks resume. Just bad football move. We had a historic offense. What would going rate have been in 2016? They didn't even try to keep him. How do you know they didn’t try? Come on, Shanny was gonna leave no matter what Blank offered him. His dream was to be a HC some day, and dream job was with 49ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoPTSD Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 24 minutes ago, Vandy said: How do you know they didn’t try? Come on, Shanny was gonna leave no matter what Blank offered him. His dream was to be a HC some day, and dream job was with 49ers. Yeah I guess but..... historical NFL great offense, SB appearance, MVP QB, ring leader master mind? Seems billionaire handbook would come into play here Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 44 minutes ago, peoriabird said: I'm just not following the logic here. Same players, different coach. things dramatically improve and the only thing that changed was the coaching but the coaching change wasn't the reason they got better. Strange. The OL has changed and Freeman wasn’t the same as in ‘16....that’s a lot of change. We’ve never replaced Chester, Levitre and Scharader fell off the earth plus Freeman’s never been the same. KS was great but there’s been change in personnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Atl Falcon said: The OL has changed and Freeman wasn’t the same as in ‘16....that’s a lot of change. We’ve never replaced Chester, Levitre and Scharader fell off the earth plus Freeman’s never been the same. KS was great but there’s been change in personnel I was referring to last year's defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, peoriabird said: I was referring to last year's defense. My bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/23/2020 at 7:37 PM, peoriabird said: So based on your logic, the team just. executed better under Shannahan. It had nothing to do with Shannahan's scheme. We had the same scheme in 2015 under Shanny. They sucked monkey balls. Atl Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: We had the same scheme in 2015 They sucked monkey balls. Hahahaha they started the year 5,6-0 while Ryan was still learning the Scheme and then they blew the doors off the following year. 2016 was a bad year for those that followed because it showed what a real coach who has a big picture of how to use the talent and use every bit of the field made it look like. Shanny a offensive genius everyone since the muppet show. But as you try to allude to coaching doesn’t matter in this league any clown can do it.I mean we’ve had 2 run this offense and look at thee results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 46 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: Hahahaha they started the year 5,6-0 while Ryan was still learning the Scheme and then they blew the doors off the following year. 2016 was a bad year for those that followed because it showed what a real coach who has a big picture of how to use the talent and use every bit of the field made it look like. Shanny a offensive genius everyone since the muppet show. But as you try to allude to coaching doesn’t matter in this league any clown can do it.I mean we’ve had 2 run this offense and look at thee results. Bro we went 8-8 in 2015 and had the worst offense in the Ryan era, with Shanny the God at OC. We also had Ryan, Julio, Roddy, Free, Teco, Tamme and DiMarco on the roster. Splain dat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Bro we went 8-8 in 2015 and had the worst offense in the Ryan era, with Shanny the God at OC. We also had Ryan, Julio, Roddy, Free, Teco, Tamme and DiMarco on the roster. Splain dat. Like I mentioned new scheme how’d Ryan look like the year after ? MVP that’s how. Worst offense don’t make me laugh. Your looking at it with Sark and Koetter but coaching don’t matter right haha. Koetters been here before and look at Ryan a shadow of what he was when Shanny had him. 33-34 a game at its peak where’s Koetters offense anywhere close? Coaching don’t matter. Belichek must be a bum then. Tim Mazetti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: Like I mentioned new scheme how’d Ryan look like the year after ? MVP that’s how. Worst offense don’t make me laugh. Your looking at it with Sark and Koetter but coaching don’t matter right haha. Koetters been here before and look at Ryan a shadow of what he was when Shanny had him. 33-34 a game at its peak where’s Koetters offense anywhere close? Coaching don’t matter. Belichek must be a bum then. Hold up hoss. We were learning a new scheme in 2008 with Mularkey and 2012 with the same Kutty you so hate. We were top 10 in yards and points both years. What the hail happened in 2015? You're starting to come off as a Kutty hatin Shanny hugger bro. Tim Mazetti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Hold up hoss. We were learning a new scheme in 2008 with Mularkey and 2012 with the same Kutty you so hate. We were top 10 in yards and points both years. You're starting to come off as a Kutty hatin Shanny hugger. Exactly and had a running game like Shanny implemented with his scheme sunshine. Hows Koetters take on trying to move the football on the ground lol. Ryan to was a rookie in 08 not that would effect your thinking but I got you covered anything else. Please tell how the muppet show that is Koetter can sit next to anything Shanny had here please continue. Last time I looked Shanny took a Jimmy G and almost made him into a SB champion at his first shot.How did Koetter do with Winston? Koetter didn’t like him the first time he was here don’t like him now.Id have Shanny back in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/23/2020 at 11:44 PM, kiwifalcon said: Exactly and had a running game like Shanny implemented with his scheme sunshine. Hows Koetters take on trying to move the football on the ground lol. Ryan to was a rookie in 08 but not that would effect your thinking but I got you covered anything else. Please tell how the muppet show that is Koetter can sit next to anything Shanny had here please continue. All four of Kutty's seasons here were better than Shanny's first here, which was the worst in the Ryan era. Worse than both of Sark's. What the hail happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: All four of Kutty's seasons here were better than Shanny's first here, which was the worst in the Ryan era. Worst than both of Sark's. What the hail happened? What do the eyes tell you or are the numbers slanting your view. All I know is I’d have Shanny back and when the team did get it in 16 we saw the 7th or 8th best offense in NFL history and a SB appearance. Show me a Koetter offense that’s come close or a team he’s had outside of the 2012 team that’s come close to a Shanny coached offense non have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: All four of Kutty's seasons here were better than Shanny's first here, which was the worst in the Ryan era. Worst than both of Sark's. What the hail happened? So Sark and Koetter are better OCs than Shanny are they are you putting your name on this one. Or are you just taking the worst of Shannys 2 seasons and trying to apply rationale to your argument. Why not compare there best? Sark fired in the NFL wilderness Koetter trying to repair the damage with a lot of talent that’s been here and looked a **** of a lot better under Shanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: What do the eyes tell you or are the numbers slanting your view. All I know is I’d have Shanny back and when the team did get it in 16 we saw the 7th or 8th best offense in NFL history and a SB appearance. Show me a Koetter offense that’s come close or a team he’s had outside of the 2012 team that’s come close to a Shanny coached offense non have. Tell me what the hail happened in 2015 with a loaded roster and Shanny the God coaching our offense? Keep on hugging Shanny. Buddy's only had 4 top 10 scoring offenses in his 12 years. Hug on hugga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Tell me what the hail happened in 2015 with a loaded roster and Shanny the God coaching our offense? Keep on hugging Shanny. Buddy's only had 4 top 10 scoring offenses in his 12 years. Hug on hugga. The team went 500. Tell me what happend when the Shanny offense fired vs anything Sark or Koetter have ever done there whole careers. Why not compare Shannys offense last year at the Niners vs the Falcon offense last year. I know one offense went to the SB what happend to us again? So is Koetter a better OC than Shanny. What about HC is Koetter better than Shanny at that also. Carry on though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said: So Sark and Koetter are better OCs than Shanny are they are you putting your name on this one. Or are you just taking the worst of Shannys 2 seasons and trying to apply rationale to your argument. Why not compare there best? Sark fired in the NFL wilderness Koetter trying to repair the damage with a lot of talent that’s been here and looked a **** of a lot better under Shanny. You're the one blaming everything on coaching. I'm telling you that was not the main problem last year. Player execution was. Just like it was in 2015 under Shanny the God. Missing Person, the OLineman you claim thrived under Shanny last year, couldn't even snap the freakin ball to the QB. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: You're the one blaming everything on coaching. I'm telling you that was not the main problem last year. Player execution was. Just like it was in 2015 under Shanny the God. Missing Person, the OLineman you claim thrived under Shanny last year, couldn't even snap the freakin ball to the QB. So coaching doesn’t matter then ? I stand by it coaching is everything you think alot of these good franchises win just with execution? No chance it’s starts with the guy at top and then the vision. Why not put your name on Koetter over Shanny then if coaching don’t matter **** bring Sark back to throw darts in the dark. PS Shanny took the butt snapper Person to the SB this year with the Niners so I mean I’m not sure what the point is on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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