Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff: 'We've definitely gotten better'

[PokerSteve]

16 hours ago, OrthoPTSD said:

Whoa, strong take there.

 

FFS70 don't put out no weak-sauce takes.

[Mister pudding]

On 6/22/2020 at 11:31 AM, UnrealfalcoN said:

I think we will too. But coaching and players might have to be exceptional to beat out the competition within the division and conference 😕

Each of them have weaknesses and strengths just like us. Make every division game count!

[falcons007]

1 hour ago, Osiruz said:

Let Raheem work his magic with minimal input from DQ and I rather DQ supervise the offense and makes sure that Kutty runs the ball. 

I don’t want DQ supervising anything, we saw what happened to the Defense he supervised in first 8 weeks of the 2019 season. Let him come up with some Tshirts, motivate the team with speeches. 

[falcons007]

On 6/22/2020 at 11:31 AM, UnrealfalcoN said:

I think we will too. But coaching and players might have to be exceptional to beat out the competition within the division and conference 😕

Falcons under DQ did really well in NFC South and even NFC conference. They have been pathetic against AFC losing to inferior teams. DQ better get this team ready to play and win against AFC.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

2 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

Shut up

How do I get out of that light?

Good Golly Ms. Molly!

[Osiruz]

35 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

I don’t want DQ supervising anything, we saw what happened to the Defense he supervised in first 8 weeks of the 2019 season. Let him come up with some Tshirts, motivate the team with speeches. 

Kutty is worse, that dude doesnt know you can run the ball. 

[Atl Falcon]

3 hours ago, peoriabird said:

Didn't you notice a difference between the 1st half defense and the 2nd half of the season defense.  The Difference was coaching period!

So we should kick asz if the OL and defense is better with the great coaching right??? But what changed with offensive coaching I missed that part. Lindstorm came back what else on offense? Morris and Ulrich took over the defense and did a heck of a job. 
Regardless our OL and pass rush has a 12 yr history of sucking for the most part....I’m not sure coaching is totally responsible for that.....I think it’s start with top of the organization and filters down to coaches and players.

[FalconFanSince1970]

5 hours ago, peoriabird said:

1st half record 1-7

2nd half record 6-2

What changed?

A lot. Including player execution.

[kiwifalcon]

1 hour ago, Atl Falcon said:

So we should kick asz if the OL and defense is better with the great coaching right??? But what changed with offensive coaching I missed that part. Lindstorm came back what else on offense? Morris and Ulrich took over the defense and did a heck of a job. 
Regardless our OL and pass rush has a 12 yr history of sucking for the most part....I’m not sure coaching is totally responsible for that.....I think it’s start with top of the organization and filters down to coaches and players.

What 12 yr history of sucking have the Oline had?

Half those mentioned years we were a playoff team.

On 2-3 occasions we had a good chance to win it all.

How can you attach the suck tag to a FO & owner when the the talent they put in front of them ie the coaches in season does a 360 ?

Worse thing of all Koetters been with us before has had a history or working with Ryan & Julio.He also had plenty of experience around him to smooth the transition.

But with injury in 18 and no identity in what or who we wanted to look like it was a big mishmash of nothing and we are where we are right now.

If this offense isn’t in that top 6-8 in the league with the talent and investment upfront I’ll again question the coaching like I have the previous 2 years.

[falcons007]

2 hours ago, Osiruz said:

Kutty is worse, that dude doesnt know you can run the ball. 

DQ is like historic proportion worst. Let him get the team fired up, manage the game And stay off anything else.

[peoriabird]

1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

A lot. Including player execution.

So it had nothing to do with the coaching change?

[Osiruz]

1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

A lot. Including player execution.

Coaching...

[FalconFanSince1970]

17 minutes ago, peoriabird said:

So it had nothing to do with the coaching change?

Not as much as yall keep saying. Go back and watch the dam games bro. You aint even gotta watch a full quarter of the very first game to see a year's worth of keystone cop execution. It continued for half a season. Vets, rooks, second year players, you name it. That wasn't coaching. That was turrible player execution. We were out of most games by half time and usually had to abandon the game plan. Coaching my as.

[OrthoPTSD]

20 hours ago, Atl Falcon said:

So if the OL sucks again is it still coaching? If the defense finishes next to  last in sacking the QB is it still coaching? Just asking for a friend 

No doubt a litany of issues last year but to answer your friends question

Yes if OL sucks I will blame that on coaching, specifically consistent predictable 5 step drops with 4 vertical wide out fly patterns.

If next to last in sacks no blame on coaching, that is the Falcon way

[FalconFanSince1970]

46 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

You aint even gotta watch a full quarter of the very first game to see a year's worth of keystone cop execution.

Watching that 2019 @MIN debacle right now. It's already 14-0 with 8:22 left in the first freakin quarter. So far we got:

• Bloodline getting smoked off the edge for a sack on the first play from scrimmage
• Neasman missing a block for ole one, two, three step Bosher, who got another punt blocked
• Oliver getting beat for a TD. Buddy got abused last year 
• Ryan locking onto Julio and forcing a ball into triple coverage for an easy pick
• Keanu taking a peewee league angle on Dalvin Cook, who waltzes into the endzone

Game already over. Coaches didn't cause any of that bush it. Most of our first eight games featured similar keystone cop player execution. I mean just think about the number of freakin kickers we had to go through. They probably blew two or three games alone. I bet yall think that was coaching too. 

 

[Atl Falcon]

1 hour ago, kiwifalcon said:

What 12 yr history of sucking have the Oline had?

Half those mentioned years we were a playoff team.

On 2-3 occasions we had a good chance to win it all.

How can you attach the suck tag to a FO & owner when the the talent they put in front of them ie the coaches in season does a 360 ?

Worse thing of all Koetters been with us before has had a history or working with Ryan & Julio.He also had plenty of experience around him to smooth the transition.

But with injury in 18 and no identity in what or who we wanted to look like it was a big mishmash of nothing and we are where we are right now.

If this offense isn’t in that top 6-8 in the league with the talent and investment upfront I’ll again question the coaching like I have the previous 2 years.

Dude you know as well as I do the OL has sucked for a good bit of the time in the past 12 yrs....because who the hail ever did not invest in the OL or make good decisions on who was acquired. How bad was the OL in the playoffs against the Giants (DK was OC) that yr they handed our asz to us? It’s not a secret around here that MR2 has not had the greatest protection over the yrs. 

I’m not a big Koetter fan but the guy did lead us to the NFC Championship as OC in his first stint here. He also set franchise records for scoring and yards gained in his first yr at Jax.  In his five seasons with the Jaguars the team cumulatively ranked third in the NFL in rushing yards over that time span in addition to having the NFL's leading rusher in Maurice Jones Drew. So don’t tell me he can’t get a running game going if he has an OL and RB. Just don’t try to convince yourself it’s all on coaching. You’re so sensitive with tunnel vision when someone calls TD out for his shortcomings. Like I said it starts at the top. It’s taken a long asz time but he finally made the OL a priority by adding Lindstorm and McGary. 
And regardless of admitting it or not the pass rush has sucked as well during those 12 yrs. 
I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to see the Falcon offense be in the top 5-10 easily if the defense plays a dam lick and the offense doesn’t have to play catch up all game long - like last yr. Who runs the ball when your defense can’t get off the field on third down? Thats just the facts bro....it is what it is.

[Atl Falcon]

35 minutes ago, OrthoPTSD said:

No doubt a litany of issues last year but to answer your friends question

Yes if OL sucks I will blame that on coaching, specifically consistent predictable 5 step drops with 4 vertical wide out fly patterns.

If next to last in sacks no blame on coaching, that is the Falcon way

I’m not saying coaching is perfect and doesn’t have a huge impact on sacks and the running game but let’s not kid ourselves here....the fact is the OL has not been loaded with butt loads of talent and didn’t seem to be a priority at the top of the draft until last yr. Once again it’s not a big secret our OL and pass rush has sucked for quite a while or more like 12 yrs.

If McGary steps up and LG improves I bet the offense will be a ball of hail with or without DK. 

[kiwifalcon]

12 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said:

Dude you know as well as I do the OL has sucked for a good bit of the time in the past 12 yrs....because who the hail ever did not invest in the OL or make good decisions on who was acquired. How bad was the OL in the playoffs against the Giants (DK was OC) that yr they handed our asz to us? It’s not a secret around here that MR2 has not had the greatest protection over the yrs. 

I’m not a big Koetter fan but the guy did lead us to the NFC Championship as OC in his first stint here. He also set franchise records for scoring and yards gained in his first yr at Jax.  In his five seasons with the Jaguars the team cumulatively ranked third in the NFL in rushing yards over that time span in addition to having the NFL's leading rusher in Maurice Jones Drew. So don’t tell me he can’t get a running game going if he has an OL and RB. Just don’t try to convince yourself it’s all on coaching. You’re so sensitive with tunnel vision when someone calls TD out for his shortcomings. Like I said it starts at the top. It’s taken a long asz time but he finally made the OL a priority by adding Lindstorm and McGary. 
And regardless of admitting it or not the pass rush has sucked as well during those 12 yrs. 
I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to see the Falcon offense be in the top 5-10 easily if the defense plays a dam lick and the offense doesn’t have to play catch up all game long - like last yr. Who runs the ball when your defense can’t get off the field on third down? Thats just the facts bro....it is what it is.

The inclination is there though that the Oline hasn’t been good for that time though.

When in all essence the first 3-4 seasons with Turner back 15,16 there we were running rampant you can’t do that without having decent oline.

What happens on here is they’ll have a couple of poor seasons then narratives like the Oline has sucked for x amount of years appears.

Koetter I hope he does change and commits to running the ball and doesn’t get pass happy.Runs out of passing formations moves the QB when he’s behind in down and distance to release pressure upfront.Shows PA early in the down count.If he does this I’ll agree he can be very effective as an OC.

He just needs to show me consistently for me to change my point of view at this point in time.At the moment he’s too predictable in my eyes.

KS is the poison chalice and has shown what this offense could be under capable hands.The comparison I’ll admit isn’t a fair one but with the talent we have I expect  something a little closer.

[kiwifalcon]

16 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said:

I’m not saying coaching is perfect and doesn’t have a huge impact on sacks and the running game but let’s not kid ourselves here....the fact is the OL has not been loaded with butt loads of talent and didn’t seem to be a priority at the top of the draft until last yr. Once again it’s not a big secret our OL and pass rush has sucked for quite a while or more like 12 yrs.

If McGary steps up and LG improves I bet the offense will be a ball of hail with or without DK. 

See I don’t believe this to be true at all.

I mentioned KS at the Niners look what he did with a sub standard line they went to the SB with Mike Person playing C/G.They had a mishmash but because of a plan and smart coaching in place we saw a team with a rampant running game.They dealt with injury by tweaking the game plan.

Execution and detail were also key in this coming off.

Koetter has to decide what he wants from his running game inside outside zone power.Whats his bread and butter this is his issue he has no identity in that area and teams no it.So they sit back and play pass for the most part when we are behind.

But for me coaching is everything in top level sport.Theres no mistake guys like Belichek and alike have been as good for as long as they’ve been doing it.

[Atl Falcon]

4 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

The inclination is there though that the Oline hasn’t been good for that time though.

When in all essence the first 3-4 seasons with Turner back 15,16 there we were running rampant you can’t do that without having decent oline.

What happens on here is they’ll have a couple of poor seasons then narratives like the Oline has sucked for x amount of years appears.

Koetter I hope he does change and commits to running the ball and doesn’t get pass happy.Runs out of passing formations moves the QB when he’s behind in down and distance to release pressure upfront.Shows PA early in the down count.If he does this I’ll agree he can be very effective as an OC.

He just needs to show me consistently for me to change my point of view at this point in time.At the moment he’s too predictable in my eyes.

KS is the poison chalice and has shown what this offense could be under capable hands.The comparison I’ll admit isn’t a fair one but with the talent we have I expect  something a little closer.

And remember KSs aren’t falling off trees out there. I think we’ll see great results if McGary steps up. I sure you and others remember when ryan scharader fell off and bad things happened

[Atl Falcon]

5 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

See I don’t believe this to be true at all.

I mentioned KS at the Niners look what he did with a sub standard line they went to the SB with Mike Person playing C/G.They had a mishmash but because of a plan and smart coaching in place we saw a team with a rampant running game.They dealt with injury by tweaking the game plan.

Execution and detail were also key in this coming off.

Koetter has to decide what he wants from his running game inside outside zone power.Whats his bread and butter this is his issue he has no identity in that area and teams no it.So they sit back and play pass for the most part when we are behind.

But for me coaching is everything in top level sport.Theres no mistake guys like Belichek and alike have been as good for as long as they’ve been doing it.

I’d like to see more of the inside zone and PA. I think DK understands any offense need an identity....hopefully the defense will help with that as well by getting off the field on third down.

[kiwifalcon]

2 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said:

And remember KSs aren’t falling off trees out there. I think we’ll see great results if McGary steps up. I sure you and others remember when ryan scharader fell off and bad things happened

That’s why I mentioned him as a poison chalice as he’s shown what this team offensively could look like then you replace it with guys like Sark & Koetter and it’s like there not in the same league.

Now we are where we are where we are at.

We talk execution and it has something to do with it but if your asking guys to do something they can’t do or use a game plan that’s putting them at risk like we saw with McGarry against NO gm 2 we see these 9 sack games Ryan running for his life.

[kiwifalcon]

3 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said:

I’d like to see more of the inside zone and PA. I think DK understands any offense need an identity....hopefully the defense will help with that as well by getting off the field on third down.

I mean that’s fine too but if you have runners that are more suited to running in space I gotta go the other way outside.If you want to run more inside set it up by going the other way first.

This is why I’d like to see running out of a pass formation and running when we are behind.Koetter doesn’t sow that seed it pass pass pass and then it becomes too predictable and teams no it.

For me for Koetter to be successful he’s going to have to get outside his comfort zone and start calling some stuff he isn’t used to calling.

[HouseofEuphoria]

1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Watching that 2019 @MIN debacle right now. It's already 14-0 with 8:22 left in the first freakin quarter. So far we got:

• Bloodline getting smoked off the edge for a sack on the first play from scrimmage
• Neasman missing a block for ole one, two, three step Bosher, who got another punt blocked
• Oliver getting beat for a TD. Buddy got abused last year 
• Ryan locking onto Julio and forcing a ball into triple coverage for an easy pick
• Keanu taking a peewee league angle on Dalvin Cook, who waltzes into the endzone

Game already over. Coaches didn't cause any of that bush it. Most of our first eight games featured similar keystone cop player execution. I mean just think about the number of freakin kickers we had to go through. They probably blew two or three games alone. I bet yall think that was coaching too. 

 

That game was ugly.

A lot of those first 8 games were ugly.

Bad player execution plus bad play-calling, bad personnel groupings, bad special teams play, multiple games with way more penalties than normal, ...it was like a square peg in a round hole concept that, once "executed", was very keystone coppish.

[OilFuturesTrader19]

I think Hurst was horribly miscast/misused.

I think he can be better than Hooper. 

Crossing my fingers.