FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 6 hours ago, UnrealfalcoN said: All eyes on the coaching staff I hear this a lot on TATF, but after watching a bunch of quarantine ball the last few months I am absolutely certain the player execution was worse than the coaching. In the voice of the great Dan Reeves, "the coaches call the plays but the players have to execute them". Tim Mazetti, PokerSteve, capologist and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLskinjob Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I think we made some good personnel moves this offseason, but I don't think that the roster has really been the problem. I think the problem is having one of the least innovative and most predictable OCs in the league. PokerSteve and OrthoPTSD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoPTSD Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: I hear this a lot on TATF, but after watching a bunch of quarantine ball the last few months I am absolutely certain the player execution was worse than the coaching. In the voice of the great Dan Reeves, "the coaches call the plays but the players have to execute them". Whoa, strong take there. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 6:05 PM, FalconFanSince1970 said: I hear this a lot on TATF, but after watching a bunch of quarantine ball the last few months I am absolutely certain the player execution was worse than the coaching. In the voice of the great Dan Reeves, "the coaches call the plays but the players have to execute them". Execution always comes back to coaching. If you are doing your job as a coach, the players either respond by executIng the plays or you get rid of them. UnrealfalcoN, tbhawksfan, kiwifalcon and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: I hear this a lot on TATF, but after watching a bunch of quarantine ball the last few months I am absolutely certain the player execution was worse than the coaching. In the voice of the great Dan Reeves, "the coaches call the plays but the players have to execute them". 2 minutes ago, Vandy said: Execution always comes back to coaching. Scheme to your strengths and away from your weaknesses. Don't press if your secondary cannot handle man coverage. Don't blitz if you (a) can't get there, or (b) can't cover. Quinn's greatest strength in his first two seasons was figuring out how to adjust his scheme to his talent (as opposed to Smitty, who tried to do it the opposite way). Even if we give him a pass in 2018 for the devastating defensive injuries, we can't excuse him for failing to make defensive adjustments until it was too late last season. Back in the day, a lot of sweat was thrown at Worrilow and Bartu but I never blame players for doing what they're incapable of doing. I blame the GM for obtaining them and I blame the coach for not figuring out how to play them. Execution always comes down to coaching. tbhawksfan and Vandy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mazetti Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: a bunch of quarantine ball Good post. Ugly penalties and out of position confucion. ,.....er confusion. Gotta get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Vandy said: Execution always comes back to coaching. If you are doing your job as a coach, the players either execute the plays or you get rid of them. Especially when the plan isn’t correct and marry in the incorrect use of players,execution has very little to do with it.Then your coaches use the mantra of putting a player in there best position to succeed. Contradiction written all over it. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, OrthoPTSD said: Whoa, strong take there. So if the OL sucks again is it still coaching? If the defense finishes next to last in sacking the QB is it still coaching? Just asking for a friend FalconFanSince1970 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: I hear this a lot on TATF, but after watching a bunch of quarantine ball the last few months I am absolutely certain the player execution was worse than the coaching. In the voice of the great Dan Reeves, "the coaches call the plays but the players have to execute them". No, those first 8 weeks or so the defensive calls and formations, when DQ was in charge, were very questionable to everyone, including announcers during the game. That's why he stepped aside. tbhawksfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Tim Mazetti said: I have felt this pressure daily in the civilian workforce since I was discharged from the military in 1978. (Military is job security.) Now I work part time to have somewhere to go and interact and afford my vices. But man, that 30 years of competition tired me out, but sharpened too. You feel it. You do the same. It is in your words. Glad to be associated with you (And others.) on this board. Well said Tim. I too have carried this intense pressure to produce at a high level all my adult life & the grind does indeed wear you down over time. You do learn and adapt & find a way to compartmentalize it over time. But you drive on for your family & because we’re competitive & we love the challenge, the interaction & the thrill of accomplishments. Tim Mazetti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Vandy said: Execution always comes back to coaching. If you are doing your job as a coach, the players either execute the plays or you get rid of them. Go back and watch some of those games. Players were in position on several plays. Some turrible execution. Even vets like Ryan, Free, Julio, Debo, Tru, etc. Definitely the rooks and second year players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, JayOzOne said: Execution always comes down to coaching. Seen at least 40K Falcon plays. That is definitely not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, HouseofEuphoria said: No, those first 8 weeks or so the defensive calls and formations, when DQ was in charge, were very questionable to everyone, including announcers during the game. That's why he stepped aside. He ran a stupid 3-4 type of something but go back and watch them games bro. Ryan throwing stupid picks, Free putting the ball on the rug, Hoop whiff blocking, several DBs getting roasted. Especially Oliver. Our #1 corner this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron360 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Don't forget gurley.i think this will be key with our new oline Atl Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Coaches are responsible for identity and a plan. All I’ve seen the last few years is a mishmash or lack there of thee above. Anyone tell me what the identity of run game was last year inside outside zone power man what. I don’t know what that cluster of a defense was last year but the messaging from the coaches was clearly not clear because what was going on on thee field was something different. Vandy and HouseofEuphoria 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 10:40 PM, FalconFanSince1970 said: Go back and watch some of those games. Players were in position on several plays. Some turrible execution. Even vets like Ryan, Free, Julio, Debo, Tru, etc. Definitely the rooks and second year players. There were a few, but even some of that was due to confusion in strategy. If you’re saying the players did not play well, I’m not disagreeing. But again, much of that all goes back to coaching. And if you are saying the strategic planning was fine but it was just poor player execution, I’ll never agree with you on that. Once Quinn handed over D reigns to Morris/Ulbrich the D magically started playing better. That’s was not a coincidence. Coaching 1st half of last year....especially by Quinn and Koetter....was terrible bro. kiwifalcon, HouseofEuphoria, tbhawksfan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 19 hours ago, ya_boi_j said: All 3 of you suck Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_Frenzy Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Prove it on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 13 hours ago, Atl Falcon said: So if the OL sucks again is it still coaching? If the defense finishes next to last in sacking the QB is it still coaching? Just asking for a friend Didn't you notice a difference between the 1st half defense and the 2nd half of the season defense. The Difference was coaching period! Vandy, kiwifalcon and Tim Mazetti 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 11 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Go back and watch some of those games. Players were in position on several plays. Some turrible execution. Even vets like Ryan, Free, Julio, Debo, Tru, etc. Definitely the rooks and second year players. 1st half record 1-7 2nd half record 6-2 What changed? Vandy and kiwifalcon 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 22 hours ago, ya_boi_j said: Why am I the only one everyone is replying to lol. You are the central mega-star around which the rest of the TATF Milky Way revolves. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Let Raheem work his magic with minimal input from DQ and I rather DQ supervise the offense and makes sure that Kutty runs the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said: Shut up 12 minutes ago, PokerSteve said: You are the central mega-star around which the rest of the TATF Milky Way revolves. How do I get out of that light? PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Shut up How do I get out of that light? Tribal Chief and Tim Mazetti 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, PokerSteve said: 😔 PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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