Why did our defense look like a dumpster fire weeks 1-8?

[RetroRoq]

Statistics arent everything, but in a relatively healthy first 8 games, Beasley participated in 20 tackles. That's a solid 2.5 per game from a first round starter that was the focus of the defense..

20 total tackles participated in through 8 games!!!  Against the Eagles & Cardinals, he had 1 tackle in each game, against the Texans, he had ZERO. Beasley finished the season with 42 participation on tackles.

In 2018, Duke Riley participated in 60 tackles and didnt start every game.

Beasley was the single most thing that went wrong with the Falcons defense those first 8 games... they should have traded him at the deadline or before, for anything anybody was willing to give.

[tbhawksfan]

On 6/6/2020 at 9:28 PM, SPITFIRE said:

Well I was waiting to see if anyone else went into more detail. I dont have the time to do a fancy post with photos to show what I am talking about. In short the players were forgetting assignments, not communicating on the field, and not using common sense. Run fits were bad, most of this was ishmal and cambell. Things i saw I saw Ish over run "open doors" that he was supposed to fill and not fill to take on a lead blocker. I also so very slow reaction to what the play was. Same thing for cambell simply taking himself out of plays created huge running lanes.  Passing game, I saw Oliver just doing frankly weird high school ****. I remember a few games seeing Trufant play spot drop coverage where he was covering grass the entire play. There were inside breaking routes from the number 2 receiver that were not signaled to the line backers . 

It was just no teamplay even on a basic level. It looked like something was just missing. 

Maybe coaching and the players buying. I hated the players standing up for DQ last year. Players play like crap, DQ stand up for them. DQ coaches like crap players stand up for him. Pitiful. I understand having each others back, but when it really goes bad, you got to have some accountability

[JD dirtybird21]

1 minute ago, falconboardname said:

Maybe coaching and the players buying. I hated the players standing up for DQ last year. Players play like crap, DQ stand up for them. DQ coaches like crap players stand up for him. Pitiful. I understand having each others back, but when it really goes bad, you got to have some accountability

Just because people publicly didn't roll each other doesn't mean accountability wasn't held within the organization. 

[tbhawksfan]

2 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Just because people publicly didn't roll each other doesn't mean accountability wasn't held within the organization. 

DQ is still here. It's not just two 7-9 seasons. It's how they happened and what could/should have happened. DQ should have been gone at the bye

[JD dirtybird21]

8 minutes ago, falconboardname said:

DQ is still here. It's not just two 7-9 seasons. It's how they happened and what could/should have happened. DQ should have been gone at the bye

According to you yes. But not to the owner. And getting fired isn’t the only form of accountability 

[tbhawksfan]

Just now, JD dirtybird21 said:

According to you yes. But not to the owner. And getting fired isn’t the only form of accountability 

Do you have anything to demonstrate or is this just speculation. I won't begin to say that I know what goes on behind the scenes. My only point is that if I was Blank, DQ woulda been gone.

[tbhawksfan]

8 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

According to you yes. But not to the owner. And getting fired isn’t the only form of accountability 

I thought that the owner would have already given him serious grief the previous season and that DQ's Failure with taking over the D and investing in lost cause Beasley and starting 1-7 would have been enough to require severe consequences

[Tribal Chief]

3 minutes ago, falconboardname said:

Do you have anything to demonstrate or is this just speculation. I won't begin to say that I know what goes on behind the scenes. My only point is that if I was Blank, DQ woulda been gone.

That's why we're fans. We dont know the first thing about running a team. Just think we do.

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, falconboardname said:

I thought that the owner would have already given him serious grief the previous season and that DQ's Failure with taking over the D and investing in lost cause Beasley and starting 1-7 would have been enough to require severe consequences

Does the owner recognize there's more to the story than the record itself?

[tbhawksfan]

Just now, ya_boi_j said:

That's why we're fans. We dont know the first thing about running a team. Just think we do.

But a guy from Home Depot do?

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, falconboardname said:

But a guy from Home Depot do?

This post alone is enough for me to know not to take you serious. 

[tbhawksfan]

Just now, ya_boi_j said:

This post alone is enough for me to know not to take you serious. 

OK. I'll try to do better

[NorthGaBoy]

29 minutes ago, falconboardname said:

Do you have anything to demonstrate or is this just speculation. I won't begin to say that I know what goes on behind the scenes. My only point is that if I was Blank, DQ woulda been gone.

What is he speculating on?

According to you yes. Clearly, you stated Quinn should have been fired.  So, no speculation here.

But not to the owner. I think most of us can conclude that Blank did not fire Quinn.  Again, no speculation.

And getting fired isn’t the only form of accountability.  We all know there are lesser things that would get Quinn's attention and put pressure on him.  This is nothing to speculate.  And, you do not need anything to demonstrate that there were difficult conversations involving the entire staff those first 8 games.  I can assure there were confidential discussions that everyone wishes could have been avoided.  You know this is obvious but not demonstrable, right?  They call them closed door meetings because they close the door, turn their phones off, and say what is on their minds.  If you are not in the room, and do not have surveilance equipment on the room, you do not know what happened.  Still, no need to speculate.  We do not need to know what Blank stated as his expectations.  We do not need to hear his ultimatums.  No speculation required.

Are you asking for a link? 

[JD dirtybird21]

38 minutes ago, falconboardname said:

Do you have anything to demonstrate or is this just speculation. I won't begin to say that I know what goes on behind the scenes. My only point is that if I was Blank, DQ woulda been gone.

You implied there is no accountability in the organization. Your reasoning is that Quinn still has his job. That’s not what accountability is

[FalconsIn2012]

On 6/3/2020 at 7:34 PM, Falcons Fan MVP said:

Last off season we were so excited about Dan Quinn being our defensive coordinator. We thought our defense was going to be awesome. Then weeks 1-8 happened. Our defense looked worse than I've ever seen in all my 27 years of being a Falcons fan. I don't think that Dan Quinn forgot how to coordinate. He took over play calling in 2016 and did well. 

What do you think caused our defense to look like trash weeks 1-8? Do you think there was something going on behind the scenes or in the locker room? Do you think it's because Dan Quinn change things up? Do you think the players weren't getting along?

 

Welp, the two areas we were trash in is 3rd down defense and creating TO’s.  
 

But if we are being honest, we were only bad defensively twice in the first 8 weeks.  Except for Houston & AZ, we allowed just 330 ypg which is top 10 total defense.  The real problem was the offense constantly putting the defense in bad situations.

-11 TO differential the first 8 weeks will always lead to a trash record

[Vandy]

5 hours ago, falconboardname said:

I thought that the owner would have already given him serious grief the previous season and that DQ's Failure with taking over the D and investing in lost cause Beasley and starting 1-7 would have been enough to require severe consequences

Well, Quinn would be long gone without the 6-2 finish.

[Roanoke Falcon]

On 6/11/2020 at 11:18 AM, ya_boi_j said:

That's why we're fans. We dont know the first thing about running a team. Just think we do.

And yet, many of the the Message Board Savants have been proven right over and over and over: for YEARS!!!

[Tribal Chief]

6 hours ago, Roanoke Falcon said:

And yet, many of the the Message Board Savants have been proven right over and over and over: for YEARS!!!

Proven wrong over and over and over: for YEARS!!!!! As well. You can counter with whatever argument you choose to counter with but the bottom line is we have no clue how to run a team. We only think we know

[Atl Falcon]

On 6/11/2020 at 7:51 AM, RetroRoq said:

Statistics arent everything, but in a relatively healthy first 8 games, Beasley participated in 20 tackles. That's a solid 2.5 per game from a first round starter that was the focus of the defense..

20 total tackles participated in through 8 games!!!  Against the Eagles & Cardinals, he had 1 tackle in each game, against the Texans, he had ZERO. Beasley finished the season with 42 participation on tackles.

In 2018, Duke Riley participated in 60 tackles and didnt start every game.

Beasley was the single most thing that went wrong with the Falcons defense those first 8 games... they should have traded him at the deadline or before, for anything anybody was willing to give.

Preach on brother.....Bs played because of his draft status.

[Vandy]

9 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

Proven wrong over and over and over: for YEARS!!!!! As well. You can counter with whatever argument you choose to counter with but the bottom line is we have no clue how to run a team. We only think we know

Speak for yourselves. There’s a few posters in here....Vel, PMF, KOG come to mind.....I’d trust to run this team. 
 

Fans give NFL ‘professionals’ too much credit. Most aren’t near that smart.

[Roanoke Falcon]

19 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

Proven wrong over and over and over: for YEARS!!!!! As well. You can counter with whatever argument you choose to counter with but the bottom line is we have no clue how to run a team. We only think we know

Do we know how to run a team? Obviously not, or we would be doing it.

That does NOT mean that management is always right, and we are always know-nothing idiots.

There were several posters on record here predicting the exact problems with Beasley (sadly, I was not among them). Going all the way back to TJ Duckett (I WAS among those who predicted his failure), and Sam Baker (I was also one of the ones right about not drafting him as well as not giving him a second contract) there have been posters who have been correct on early round (1-3) draft picks more often then not.

Jeez, but that was a terrible run-on sentence. Sorry about that.

Anyway, of course you have the morons who want to trade/cut Matt Ryan, etc., but there are always rotten apples in a barrel.

 

[Tribal Chief]

2 hours ago, Roanoke Falcon said:

Do we know how to run a team? Obviously not, or we would be doing it.

 

That’s the only point I’m making. Not the rest. And for the record, I never said the ones in place are always correct. 

[since68andcounting]

On 6/3/2020 at 9:16 PM, NaGaBoy said:

As much as I loved Mohammed Sanu as a player, I suspect he was a locker room distraction.  

Yeah, the Patriots just LOVE signing locker room distractions lol. How the heck are you blaming our pi** poor defense on a high-caliber vet who never played defense? 

[NorthGaBoy]

8 hours ago, since68andcounting said:

Yeah, the Patriots just LOVE signing locker room distractions lol. How the heck are you blaming our pi** poor defense on a high-caliber vet who never played defense? 

Where did you read that I stated Mohamed Sanu was the reason for the decline in our defense?

When did the Patriots become infallible?