Falcons Fan MVP Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Last off season we were so excited about Dan Quinn being our defensive coordinator. We thought our defense was going to be awesome. Then weeks 1-8 happened. Our defense looked worse than I've ever seen in all my 27 years of being a Falcons fan. I don't think that Dan Quinn forgot how to coordinate. He took over play calling in 2016 and did well. What do you think caused our defense to look like trash weeks 1-8? Do you think there was something going on behind the scenes or in the locker room? Do you think it's because Dan Quinn change things up? Do you think the players weren't getting along? Atl Falcon and red falcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Quinn had full control of playcalling. Lack of adjusting to injuries. Drunken Minotaur Zebra, Falcons Fan MVP, PokerSteve and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Vic and tak both standing up as well as covering, linebackers lost and corners not pressing. No run game. Ezekiel 25:17, PokerSteve, Falcons Fan MVP and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Dam if I know and unless you’re a coach or player you really don’t know what the heck was going on. It’s crazy because DQ took over the defense during the SB season and was part of the reason we got there. Just hoping we’re good from the start this year. brando27 and Falcons Fan MVP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thajames Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Tried to reinvent the wheel imo.... Falcons Fan MVP, HouseofEuphoria, Falcons_Frenzy and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLskinjob Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 From what I understand, (I'm not a real X's and O's guy) it's because we ran a whole bunch of different looks that were more on the 3-4 side of things and we didn't have the personnel and we didn't seem to fully grasp assignments. Everything looked better once we switched back. egoprime II 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Rico said because players weren’t sticking to their assignments and all trying to be heroes. (I think it was Rico) dardan, red falcon, PokerSteve and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister pudding Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 No pressure + poor tackling = dumpster fire PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukeduke211 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Dq said in the meetings that VB44 was going to be covering RB and TE out of the backfield and they didn't't believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octoslash Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Obviously the problem was we couldn't stop the opposing offenses from scoring. Too much overthinking going on around here. egoprime II 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthGaBoy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 He was a HC with issues. As much as I loved Mohammed Sanu as a player, I suspect he was a locker room distraction. DQ was shaken by Vic Beasley. After announcing he was going to work closely with Beasley, the DE shunned him and only showed up when required claiming he was working out elsewhere. DQ was embarrassed and did not know quite what to do. Tak Mckinley was showing more of his idiosyncrasies which was a little disturbing. Then, HCs around the league were voicing opinions that one man could not fulfill the responsibilities of HC and DC. Blank had previously announced that essentially everyone was under scrutiny. Several starting defenders were returning from injury which presented many unanswered questions. DQ was suddenly in a pressure cooker. It was more than he could handle. JMHO. egoprime II 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoPTSD Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 -Didn't Baldinger say that the whole league knew what Quinn was running and he did not adjust, like since 2016? -Neal injury was brutal literally and figuratively -Jones rendered invisible -Worst DE s in the league Young, In- experienced corners Brutal vitaman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, OrthoPTSD said: -Didn't Baldinger say that the whole league knew what Quinn was running and he did not adjust, like since 2016? -Neal injury was brutal literally and figuratively -Jones rendered invisible -Worst DE s in the league Young, In- experienced corners Brutal I dont think running cover 3 is what killed us but agree with most of the rest. The scheme was more of the issue that made Oliver look bad. That was on coaching. capitan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPITFIRE Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 passing game coordination was really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mister pudding said: No pressure + poor tackling = dumpster fire This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWFALCON Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 The first 8 games had minimal Rise up. StraightBlastJim and AUTiger7222 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 10 hours ago, ATLskinjob said: From what I understand, (I'm not a real X's and O's guy) it's because we ran a whole bunch of different looks that were more on the 3-4 side of things and we didn't have the personnel and we didn't seem to fully grasp assignments. Everything looked better once we switched back. A lot of truth in this. Frankly, the DC got too cute with over-complicated looks which (As you said) didn’t fit the personnel. DQ over-complicated things in secondary as well. Turnaround occurred when coaches simplified the play calling, which allowed players not overthinking responsibilities but instead play with instincts. AUTiger7222, egoprime II, red falcon and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The O.D.B Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 We all know what it looked like but, what they heck were they trying to do? I'd love to hear from @PeytonMannings Forehead or @TheFatboi on what they saw. My guess is the scheme was sound but DQ got away from his keep it simple philosophy and much of the defense got confused. He stuck with it thinking time would allow them to learn and it just didn't work. Vandy and Hashbrown3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Proxy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Vandy, HouseofEuphoria and tbhawksfan 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Quinn’s Seattle scheme only works if you have an Earl Thomas/Ed Reed type player. We do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roanoke Falcon Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: Last off season we were so excited about Dan Quinn being our defensive coordinator. Speak for yourself! I've despised Clueless Cowardly Quinn for a couple of years now. I NEVER thought he was a good DC, because he was lapping up Pete Carrol's credit in Seattle. I believed he was no more competent than the continuously-confused uy who left Seattle for a HC gig in Jax. 4 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: I don't think that Dan Quinn forgot how to coordinate. He took over play calling in 2016 and did well. Look at the defensive numbers from that year. Look at the first half vs the final scores that year. A lot of huge leads built by Kyle Shanahan's offense in the first three quarters, then furious opponent near-comebacks (or defensive near-collapses) that led to fairly close final scores. No. Just NO. The defense did NOT do well; the defense did just-barely well enough with a historically potent offense carrying their sorry butts. 4 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: What do you think caused our defense to look like trash weeks 1-8? There were several reasons. Clueless Cowardly Quinn's incompetence. Clueless Cowardly Quinn's ego. Clueless Cowardly Quinn's lack of leadership. Clueless Cowardly Quinn's complete lack of anything other than empty slogans. I'm sure there is more that will be brought to light eventually, but all in the same vein. tbhawksfan and Hurry_Up_And_Buy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, The O.D.B said: We all know what it looked like but, what they heck were they trying to do? I'd love to hear from @PeytonMannings Forehead or @TheFatboi on what they saw. My guess is the scheme was sound but DQ got away from his keep it simple philosophy and much of the defense got confused. He stuck with it thinking time would allow them to learn and it just didn't work. From what I saw DQ definitely got away from what the team was accustomed to. He experimented with different fronts and I actually liked what he was doing in camp with it. I thought it would play to Takk and Beasleys strengths in 2 point stances but the first thing I noticed was takk was so aggressive up field that he would lose setting the edge against the run and leave Campbell out to dry. Lots a ppl were blaming Campbell but it was Takk’s job not to let the back break it outside. Another problem was the back end was in disarray. I felt that was the transition of Manuel to the other coach that for some reason wasn’t communicating to the secondary what was to be done. They looked lost. The linebackers were ok but with the front and back playing bad they took a lot of the brunt of blame. Debo was looking out if sorts. I think Quinn went under the hood and messed his own engine up at the beginning. Partly because we played so many running qb’s last year he was trying to work around that. Disaster. When he turned the car over things changed. Morris going to coach the secondary was the best thing that could’ve happened. They immediately responded to his coaching and hands on approach of how to play the techniques. And the coordinating between Morris and Ulbrich was brilliant and smart. They ACTUALLY started playing fast and physical knocking of both NO and SF who were fighting for seeding so they didn’t relax on the falcons. In closing a combination of terrible scheme decisions by changing what they were already good at, lack of communication and creativity in play calling and terrible on field play. ATLskinjob, red falcon, Xfactor and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThePiszOuttaTheBall Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 It was just lack of preparation. DQ underestimated all the details that need to happen to have the defense ready. He had been relying on Marquand for those things, and he just thought they’d keep happening after Marquand was let go. Basically, DQ bit off more than he could chew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc44 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) I feel the primary cause was the secondary. They were playing fast and physical, running hard, but were running to the wrong spot. Although Oliver turned things around, and I feel he's going to be a good player in the league, he wasn't quite ready yet. As a result, the ball was usually coming out on the QB's first read, leaving no time for our pass rush to be effective. If one part breaks down, you get a result like 1 - 8. GO FALCONS!!!! Edited June 4, 2020 by MarkMc44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonobeast Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Step behind. Remember 1st drive of the preseason last year when all defensive starters were playing gave up a long played drive for a score. Never a good sign. Hurry_Up_And_Buy and RetroRoq 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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