Asterisk Season Coming

[slider]

1 hour ago, Tim Mazetti said:

One can't get enough O2 in a N95 mask while doing any thing physical without taking it off every so often.

It is a mind number as in numb.

These cloth masks are akin to installing chain-link fence to keep out mosquitos.

This is a regular seasonal flu, dammit.

My post has to do with the perspective that I believe Goodell will take on the situation, not what is or isn't the reality of Covid.

There are however a couple of points in your post I'd like to respond to. The size of the Sars-Cov 2 virus is truly as you say like a mosquito versus a chain link fence however the saliva molecule it clings to is much larger, more like the size of a baseball versus a chain link fence and that's what you're stopping by using the mask.

The flu has been around and within humans for millennia. We know most if not all there is to know about the flu and it's effects.

Covid19 has been in human to human transmission for a few months. Everyday we hear new stories, true or false about what it might be doing to the body. Some scientists believe that it is an RNa virus that displays many aspects of the HIV virus. Guess what HIV does, it stays with you for life. If this virus is like HIV or Herpes Zoster and Simplex viruses, you might have recurrence throughout your life until such time in the distant future for younger folks, the immune system can no longer fight it. All this is conjecture but isn't that the real point here? We don't know what we're actually dealing with, all we can do is look at a few months worth of statistics but one thing it is not, it is not like our relationship with the flu.

All that being said, the perception of those in charge of making the decisions in the NFL is what matters, not what you or I believe Covid is or isn't and remember they're consulting Doctors that are telling them the same stuff that Dr. Death Fauci is saying. I just think the odds are not with a season occurring at this point. If it does, it certainly will be one with an asterisk on it.

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by slider

[Tim Mazetti]

18 minutes ago, slider said:

All that being said, the perception of those in charge of making the decisions in the NFL is what matters,

Agreed. And as you may have perceived, I was a microbiologist. A very old and wise one, aware of government deception.. 

And I sense you know your stuff as well.

This is great!  This shows when writing things really doesn't get the conversation going, and can't have real conversations here. Pretty tedious, Eh?

Thank you for your work and thought in your response, my friend.

[slider]

2 hours ago, PokerSteve said:

There's no end to Covid-19 in sight. So the sports world is supposed to just stay shut down until there are no active cases of covid 19? Until there's zero fatalities happening? You're talking about a lot longer than this season if so.

The owners can probably take a two- or three-year break and not suffer financially, but I don't think most of the players are at quite that same comfort level cash-wise.

At some point players will have to accept the same risk of infection millions of regular American workers have had no choice but to accept since this pandemic began and go do their jobs.

As far as fan attendance, why would the league not allow fans to come to the stadium if they accept the risk and waive any right to sue MLB if they went to a game and came down with covid-19. I know many thousands of fans would take the risk.

 

"So the sports world is supposed to just stay shut down until there are no active cases of covid 19?"

No...but that's you and me talking and we have no skin in the game outside of fandom. We don't have do deal with the thousands of variables and unknowns that have to be dealt with to get the season going safely and fairly enough to be legit.

"At some point players will have to accept the same risk of infection millions of regular American workers have had no choice but to accept since this pandemic began and go do their jobs."

I agree but will they and will they be forced to by a league that's almost insane with concern for liability?

"As far as fan attendance, why would the league not allow fans to come to the stadium if they accept the risk and waive any right to sue MLB if they went to a game and came down with covid-19. I know many thousands of fans would take the risk."

Again I agree but when has the NFL ever taken that perspective under Goodell? They won't even take that attitude with players that they pay millions of dollars to to take those risks much less with fans that are paying them.

 

 

 

[RING OF HONOR]

3 hours ago, wartownfalcon said:

THIS. IS. STUPUD!!!! I’m so sick and tired of the BS. Been in Panama City all week, everyone is enjoying their life. Living it like they should. Athletes are no different. The masks and gloves are the new tinfoil hat

Good to know...I'm coming down in a couple of weeks 

[Tim Mazetti]

13 minutes ago, RING OF HONOR said:

Good to know...I'm coming down in a couple of weeks 

Have fun being free.

[RING OF HONOR]

Just now, Tim Mazetti said:

Have fun being free.

That virus cant stop me!!!!

🤣

[Tim Mazetti]

1 hour ago, tl;dr said:

Lol no asterisk. Stop 

Baseball isn’t playing right now because of greed 

I like your take. Not the flu.

[wartownfalcon]

2 hours ago, RING OF HONOR said:

Good to know...I'm coming down in a couple of weeks 

PC is booming right now!!! No masks in sight hardly!!! Just the occasional “ALONE IN THE CAR DRIVER” wearing one. 

[quickzero]

I hope the season happens and if any players don't want to participate they shouldn't HAVE to. 

[gazoo]

17 hours ago, PokerSteve said:

There's no end to Covid-19 in sight.

Steve, this report just came out yesteday from a world renowned epidemiologist at Yale School of Medicine. 

He said if these two drugs are paired in outpatient setting on high risk individuals who have first signs of onset of the infection, they have up to 50 times less chance of dying.  He cited 5 studies proving its efficacy and said the US needs to immediately ramp up production which will end the pandemic

 

https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586

[PriMeTiiMe]

21 hours ago, slider said:

Falcons could be 12-0, on their way to an historic season and Brady gets Covid and it all goes down the drain. 

I could easily see this happening. If the season is going well it will end early. If it's going terrible the season will be played in full.

[slider]

3 minutes ago, PriMeTiiMe said:

I could easily see this happening. If the season is going well it will end early. If it's going terrible the season will be played in full.

Ryan, Julio, Ridley, Gurley, Jarrett, Deebo, Neal, Davidson, Mathews and Mack could all go out for the season due to Covid and there would be crickets from the league office or the national press but Brady or Brees could get a head cold and it's XFL time. Season suspended.

[slider]

6 hours ago, quickzero said:

I hope the season happens and if any players don't want to participate they shouldn't HAVE to. 

Big asterisk right there. They would be playing with replacements in that case. Would be scintillating entertainment to watch the Falcons with Bob (Lefty) Franklin at QB throwing to Irving (Slim) Oberholser for the winning TD in the Covid Bowl. 🤥

[Joey563]

This would be one of the most Atlanta things ever... We win the superbowl and the fanbase of every team will throw it in our faces that it was an incomplete or asterisk season...

[slider]

4 minutes ago, slider said:

Big asterisk right there. They would be playing with replacements in that case. Would be scintillating entertainment to watch the Falcons with Bob (Lefty) Franklin at QB throwing to Irving (Slim) Oberholser for the winning TD in the Covid Bowl. 🤥

I could see it now, the Falcons first attempt on sixth down under the Covid Rules falls harmlessly incomplete in the end zone but it's called back for 'N95 Face Masking' on the defense.

[slider]

1 minute ago, Joey563 said:

This would be one of the most Atlanta things ever... We win the superbowl and the fanbase of every team will throw it in our faces that it was an incomplete or asterisk season...

Exactly.

[PokerSteve]

20 hours ago, slider said:

Don't get me wrong. I agree with all that but do you really think that's what will happen? If they really jump through the hoops required to play this season and there are no inequities between teams and no problems with players suing or fans suing.....etc. it will be the most incredible thing to occur since the moon landing. Again I'm not saying this should be the way it happens, I'm just looking at how Goodell operates and I just can't see it all coming together at this point. I'm a guy that thinks they shouldn't have interfered with the integrity of the sport due to concussions but they were so concerned about liability over what the league knew about concussions. Look at what they know about Covid, don't you think the lawyer in Goodell will take that into account? The owners will pressure because of the money lost and they might win the day but I don't see all teams having an equal situation.

There won't be anybody suing anybody. You'll have to waive your right to sue to play or to attend games. As far as all the city, county, state and national health rules and regs which the teams will have to navigate through. I'm sure it will be a huge headache, but with the kind of money we're talking about, it will all get figured out and implemented and approved in time for the season to start.

The obvious snag is that not all states/cities are opening up at the same time and at the same speed. If you have a few Blue states/cities that are still hunkered down determined not to open up until the economy has completely crashed, that could be a problem which would directly affect those teams from those areas and make the process unfair in terms of equal time to prep for the season. We'll just have to wait and see on that, but everything else is going to be fine.

[PokerSteve]

4 hours ago, gazoo said:

Steve, this report just came out yesteday from a world renowned epidemiologist at Yale School of Medicine. 

He said if these two drugs are paired in outpatient setting on high risk individuals who have first signs of onset of the infection, they have up to 50 times less chance of dying.  He cited 5 studies proving its efficacy and said the US needs to immediately ramp up production which will end the pandemic

 

https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586

Very encouraging, although some would argue there won't be an official "end" to the pandemic until there's an actual vaccine and everybody has taken it. However, common sense should tell you with only a microscopic fatality rate for normal age, normally healthy people who don't have any preexisting medical conditions, a potent drug regimen which basically neutralizes the worst effects of the virus if you get it should be plenty good enough to get this country going again, sports and otherwise.

[Geneaut]

Some of you guys are pretty cavalier with the health of the guys who will actually be out on those fields breathing on and touching each other for 3 -4 hours every Sunday for 16 games.

 

[AUTiger7222]

Texas governor announced a couple days ago that starting June 1st sports can reopen with 25% capacity. Just a start to other states reopening for sports with some kind of fans in the stands.

[Vandy]

36 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

Texas governor announced a couple days ago that starting June 1st sports can reopen with 25% capacity. Just a start to other states reopening for sports with some kind of fans in the stands.

Dare you to go post that little tidbit in the Group Think Central - Occupy Wall Street wannabe thread. 

 

 

[AUTiger7222]

20 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Dare you to go post that little tidbit in the Group Think Central - Occupy Wall Street wannabe thread. 

I wanna post that and the info I sent you but it's just not worth the energy.

[Vandy]

21 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

I wanna post that and the info I sent you but it's just not worth the energy.

Smart man. 

[gazoo]

5 hours ago, PokerSteve said:

Very encouraging, although some would argue there won't be an official "end" to the pandemic until there's an actual vaccine and everybody has taken it. However, common sense should tell you with only a microscopic fatality rate for normal age, normally healthy people who don't have any preexisting medical conditions, a potent drug regimen which basically neutralizes the worst effects of the virus if you get it should be plenty good enough to get this country going again, sports and otherwise.

You know COVID is just another name for SARS2.  We still dont have a vaccine for SARS1 despite spending millions of dollars 18 years later.  In fact, we still have no vaccine for dozens of viruses including HIV.   We may one day come up with a vaccine, but I would never say we have to wait until we find a vaccine before we can open the country back up.  

The good news, is we have a treatment for it that is cheap and reduces the chance of death by 50 fold according to the study. We have little to lose and a massive amount to gain according to one of the worlds most esteemed epidemiologists who wrote that , we need to ramp it up and open it back up! Then I can buy you a beer at the dome during a home game this year

[slider]

The only reason they shut every thing down in the first place was to flatten the curve so the hospitals didn't get over run and to give them time to stock up on PPE. They accomplished that, now open it up. The government is not here to make sure you don't get Covid. They're only here to provide services paid for by the tax dollars of the citizens. Once those services are protected, let the citizens take responsibility for themselves.

The only problem I have, seeing as my wife has cancer and I'm in the older age group, we have to stay locked down indefinitely but sometimes we do have to go out and you Covid deniers who think it's all about you and your situation are slinging Covid arrows all over the place because you're not wearing a mask. 

The experts don't know 10% about this virus yet somehow you do? Think about someone else for a change and wear a mask. Maybe somehow It'll make you feel better for doing your civic duty.

Now open it all up and set my people free. Maybe one day I can join you.