Jamal Adams

[Tribal Chief]

18 minutes ago, k-train said:

Where did it say that exactly?

“There are reportedly eight teams on Adams' list of preferred trade destinations: the Buccaneers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles, 49ers, Ravens, Seahawks and Texans. The Cowboys are at the top of the list.”

He himself made it crystal clear just days ago that he wants to be in Dallas. I’m pretty sure I know what your response will be but you can take it for whatever it’s worth but that man wants to play outside of New York and it’s not Atlanta. Jets are gonna swindle an offensive lineman out of Dallas.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

46 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

If Julio and or Gage goes down, who replaces them? Simple question

Julio is not replaceable no matter. As far as Gage is concerned, his production will have to be managed by the remainder of the group, but if Julio is lost it won’t really matter as all of the other guys will suffer including Ridley. 
 

My return question is, what other teams in the league can handle multiple injuries at the same position?

[atljbo]

Naw .. we straight

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

Julio is not replaceable no matter. As far as Gage is concerned, his production will have to be managed by the remainder of the group, but if Julio is lost it won’t really matter as all of the other guys will suffer including Ridley. 
 

My return question is, what other teams in the league can handle multiple injuries at the same position?

Lol I never said any team could. Every other team also isn’t set up at WR like the Falcons are either. I also don’t think it’s wise to send a proven playmaker away only to be left with nothing behind him.
 

As it stands, if Julio goes down, the Falcons have a much greater chance at having success in the air with Ridley, Gage and Hurst being the top 3 targets. You trade Ridley and you only have Gage and Hurst as your only trusted assets outside of your running backs. Blake and Zach are in the exact role they’re meant to be in. You **** around and get Gage and Julio injured the offense will struggle greatly. 
 

I know you guys want TD and Quinn gone but this really isn’t the way to do it

[k-train]

5 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

“There are reportedly eight teams on Adams' list of preferred trade destinations: the Buccaneers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles, 49ers, Ravens, Seahawks and Texans. The Cowboys are at the top of the list.”

He himself made it crystal clear just days ago that he wants to be in Dallas. I’m pretty sure I know what your response will be but you can take it for whatever it’s worth but that man wants to play outside of New York and it’s not Atlanta. 

 

Gotcha, but I really don't see how this is any different than the way Earl Thomas responded when asked about potentially playing for the Cowboys. Thomas wasn't at all shy about letting it be known that he preferred to be in Dallas... but Thomas didn't end up in Dallas.

As for that list of teams Adams mentioned, the Bucs weren't even on it initially. shortly after his initial list came out, he was asked specifically about the possibility of playing there, and then he did what players in his situation do... say "sure, that'd be great, I'd love to play there, etc., etc." And just like that, the Bucs were suddenly on that list as well. So saying he doesn't want to play here just because Atlanta wasn't one of the teams he initially listed feels like a bit of a reach, and it certainly is not even close to being a fact. When he is asked specifically about the Falcons and says,  "No thanks" then it will be a fact... until then it's extremely speculative.

Frankly, when asked about a specific team the dude would probably speak glowingly of ANY team that's not the Jets... heck, he's even said good things about staying with the Jets when he's thought they might be willing to pay him what he wants. It's simply a business move on his part to try to gain as much leverage as possible. The more teams he can get interested, the higher the bidding & thus the higher likelihood of him eventually getting the deal he wants.

[Boise Falcon Fan]

27 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

“There are reportedly eight teams on Adams' list of preferred trade destinations: the Buccaneers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles, 49ers, Ravens, Seahawks and Texans. The Cowboys are at the top of the list.”

He himself made it crystal clear just days ago that he wants to be in Dallas. I’m pretty sure I know what your response will be but you can take it for whatever it’s worth but that man wants to play outside of New York and it’s not Atlanta. Jets are gonna swindle an offensive lineman out of Dallas.

 

The Jets want one of the Cowboy's best OL, and I don't think there is anyway they will let him go. The Cowboys offense is super reliant on Elliott, and I don't think they would weaken their running game by trading on of their top OL.

 

[Boise Falcon Fan]

2 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

Once Neal has a great season this year, people can move on from the idea of giving multiple first round picks and a record contract to Adams. If Neal can stay healthy (his two injuries were freak, unrelated injuries) I would rather have him than give up a ton (picks and pay) for a guy who doesn’t want to be here. 

Neal isn't going to make anyone forget about getting Adams. It'll be nice if he comes back as an average starter, but I am afraid there aren't many that can come back from what he has, and play at a high enough level to make people forget about Adams. Adams is a difference maker.

[Tribal Chief]

5 minutes ago, k-train said:

Gotcha, but I really don't see how this is any different than the way Earl Thomas responded when asked about potentially playing for the Cowboys. Thomas wasn't at all shy about letting it be known that he preferred to be in Dallas... but Thomas didn't end up in Dallas.

As for that list of teams Adams mentioned, the Bucs weren't even on it initially. shortly after his initial list came out, he was asked specifically about the possibility of playing there, and then he did what players in his situation do... say "sure, that'd be great, I'd love to play there, etc., etc." And just like that, the Bucs were suddenly on that list as well. So saying he doesn't want to play here just because Atlanta wasn't one of the teams he initially listed feels like a bit of a reach, and it certainly is not even close to being a fact. When he is asked specifically about the Falcons and says,  "No thanks" then it will be a fact... until then it's extremely speculative.

Frankly, when asked about a specific team the dude would probably speak glowingly of ANY team that's not the Jets... heck, he's even said good things about staying with the Jets when he's thought they might be willing to pay him what he wants. It's simply a business move on his part to try to gain as much leverage as possible. The more teams he can get interested, the higher the bidding & thus the higher likelihood of him eventually getting the deal he wants.

Football is no different than life. You feel one way this year, things change next year. Dallas tried to trade for Earl and Seattle didnt want to cooperate. When Earl became a Free Agent he went elsewhere. That's just the business. I recall Earl telling Garrett to come get him, they tried but I dont recall Earl ever stating publicly he wanted to be in Dallas. I could be wrong though. 

As for the second part, I already knew that would be your exact response. Just about Everything listed in this thread is a reach and not a fact.  Why not add to it, right? Or am I not allowed? 

Like I said, you can take things for what they are worth just as I will. He said loud and clear he wants to be dealt to Dallas. He doesnt have control. He's going to be happy wherever he goes because he made it out of New York but theres a main place he really wants to be. 

Speaking out publicly like that rarely ever helps the player. In most cases it has turned teams off in the past. A player his caliber will have teams interested but theres only so many that can realistically make him and the Jets happy in a trade

[Ezekiel 25:17]

1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said:

Lol I never said any team could. Every other team also isn’t set up at WR like the Falcons are either. I also don’t think it’s wise to send a proven playmaker away only to be left with nothing behind him.
 

As it stands, if Julio goes down, the Falcons have a much greater chance at having success in the air with Ridley, Gage and Hurst being the top 3 targets. You trade Ridley and you only have Gage and Hurst as your only trusted assets outside of your running backs. Blake and Zach are in the exact role they’re meant to be in. You **** around and get Gage and Julio injured the offense will struggle greatly. 
 

I know you guys want TD and Quinn gone but this really isn’t the way to do it

Oh no, I want to win now so it TD AND DQ get it done so be it!

I am not in a rush to get rid of Ridley and only stated that the trade proposal was interesting, but to get a player as good as This Jamal guy you will have to part ways with an asset that you would like to keep. 
 

IF I was the GM, I would not accept that deal but I would counter offer, indeed. Just to see if they make me a deal I can’t refuse. 
 

In one of our rare occasions, I see it a little differently than you as I don’t think a sIngle WR will make or break our overall success as we have adequate talent in my opinion.

[Tribal Chief]

14 minutes ago, Boise Falcon Fan said:

The Jets want one of the Cowboy's best OL, and I don't think there is anyway they will let him go. The Cowboys offense is super reliant on Elliott, and I don't think they would weaken their running game by trading on of their top OL.

 

Depends on which angle you're looking in from. 

Jason Garrett's offense was super reliant on Zeke. McCarthy has always been super reliant on his QB. 

Dallas added CeeDee Lamb, who I believe will turn out better than Cooper, extended Cooper and still have Gallup who's coming up on a deal. Jets are weak at WR. 

Jerry is a man who believes if he picks said player, said player is good. Knowing that, who knows if he would be against trading an OL and they trust in the next man. OR they throw Gallup in a deal knowing they're going to lose him next season. Unlike Atlanta, Dallas can REALLY afford to trade away a WR, especially one who's about to get a great contract. Dallas has much more to realistically offer than other teams and will still okay afterwards vs a team like Atlanta just creating another hole

[1989Fan]

4 minutes ago, Boise Falcon Fan said:

Neal isn't going to make anyone forget about getting Adams. It'll be nice if he comes back as an average starter, but I am afraid there aren't many that can come back from what he has, and play at a high enough level to make people forget about Adams. Adams is a difference maker.

I feel that not seeing Neal in the field for 2 years has made people sleep in how good he was. To not feel Neal was not a difference maker is absurd IMO. Not saying he is Adams level of greatness, but he was **** good. Whether that is repeatable in 2020 is to be seen, speculation aside.

In a nutshell I am saying I personally would take 2016 Neal and 2 first round picks over Adams @ $15-20M per season all day. But I may be the minority here and I am okay w that. We can’t afford another elite contract, and I don’t feel adding him over a healthy Neal makes us ‘night and day’ better.

i don’t feel his career is over by any means due to the injuries. ACL and even Achilles injuries just aren’t as devastating as they were years ago. The mental recovery and confidence could be the biggest hurdle.

even if Neal isn’t 100% and we move on I would sooner replace him with a high draft pick than what is supposedly being asked for Adams.

[1989Fan]

5 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

Oh no, I want to win now so it TD AND DQ get it done so be it!

I am not in a rush to get rid of Ridley and only stated that the trade proposal was interesting, but to get a player as good as This Jamal guy you will have to part ways with an asset that you would like to keep. 
 

IF I was the GM, I would not accept that deal but I would counter offer, indeed. Just to see if they make me a deal I can’t refuse. 
 

In one of our rare occasions, I see it a little differently than you as I don’t think a sIngle WR will make or break our overall success as we have adequate talent in my opinion.

It’s a big assumption that going from Neal to Adams equals SB. After all, in his 3 seasons there the Jets are 16-32. (General comment, not calling you out claiming SB Ezekiel)

[Tribal Chief]

12 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

Oh no, I want to win now so it TD AND DQ get it done so be it!

I am not in a rush to get rid of Ridley and only stated that the trade proposal was interesting, but to get a player as good as This Jamal guy you will have to part ways with an asset that you would like to keep. 
 

IF I was the GM, I would not accept that deal but I would counter offer, indeed. Just to see if they make me a deal I can’t refuse. 
 

In one of our rare occasions, I see it a little differently than you as I don’t think a sIngle WR will make or break our overall success as we have adequate talent in my opinion.

We can disagree about the clouds in the sky for all I care. In the end, you understand my stance and I understand your stance. We dont act like complete tools to each other like some of these other people who cant handle a disagreement which is beyond sad. . That's all that matters 🤗

Now that the mushy **** is pushed to the side, if there was another coordinator in place, maybe I would feel differently. But I dont think Dirk can move the offense with guys that get 1 target a game. I'd trust Sark to do it before trusting Dirk

[Ezekiel 25:17]

30 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

We can disagree about the clouds in the sky for all I care. In the end, you understand my stance and I understand your stance. We dont act like complete tools to each other like some of these other people who cant handle a disagreement which is beyond sad. . That's all that matters 🤗

Now that the mushy **** is pushed to the side, if there was another coordinator in place, maybe I would feel differently. But I dont think Dirk can move the offense with guys that get 1 target a game. I'd trust Sark to do it before trusting Dirk

I don’t too much trust Dirk Diggler with any pieces either so I feel you on that one! 
 

Until I see it myself I don’t know if it would make any difference with the players! 
 

And I appreciate the huge out! Lol

[Tribal Chief]

19 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

I don’t too much trust Dirk Diggler with any pieces either so I feel you on that one! 
 

Until I see it myself I don’t know if it would make any difference with the players! 
 

And I appreciate the huge out! Lol

Blake looked completely lost on the field last season when he was in imo. Zach almost fluffed up the 93 yarder he had. I dont have any faith in them in an extended role lol. 

We wouldn't know unless it happened but if it ever came to that I would be very concerned 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

2 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Blake looked completely lost on the field last season when he was in imo. Zach almost fluffed up the 93 yarder he had. I dont have any faith in them in an extended role lol. 

We wouldn't know unless it happened but if it ever came to that I would be very concerned 

I am already concerned, but more on how the defense and O-line are going to come together than our wideout core.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

1 hour ago, 1989Fan said:

It’s a big assumption that going from Neal to Adams equals SB. After all, in his 3 seasons there the Jets are 16-32. (General comment, not calling you out claiming SB Ezekiel)

Oh no, I am right there with you and don’t feel called out at all! 
 

Like I was telling @ya_boi_j, I would just find it interesting, but feel that a bigger impact is made on the Line than the secondary. Hence I would make a counter offer to that one as I think it’s too much for a DB anyways.

[Tribal Chief]

5 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

I am already concerned, but more on how the defense and O-line are going to come together than our wideout core.

The only time I get concerned is when starters are injured because I know they are hard to replace unless you legitimately have a diamond in the rough on the bench. 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said:

The only time I get concerned is when starters are injured because I know they are hard to replace unless you legitimately have a diamond in the rough on the bench. 

Unless their names happen to be Worrilow or Beasley. 

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

Unless their names happen to be Worrilow or Beasley. 

That's for a whole nother topic of discussion lol. 

[Vandy]

1 hour ago, 1989Fan said:

It’s a big assumption that going from Neal to Adams equals SB. After all, in his 3 seasons there the Jets are 16-32. (General comment, not calling you out claiming SB Ezekiel)

Not calling you out either, but jets went 16-32 because of having a young QB who often has looked lost with limited weapons offensively. While we  have a future HOFer at QB on offense who still is  playing at a high level and with plenty of weapons to work with.
 

Jets have a Top 10 defense in large part because of Adams, while our problem has always been with our defense. As much as I love Neal, Adams would be a huge upgrade over him, even if Keanu could stay healthy. It’s not gonna happen, but if we could somehow get Adams he would make a huge difference in our defense. Which would move us several steps closer to a SB.

Adams is that good of a playmaker. IMO.

[1989Fan]

4 hours ago, Vandy said:

Not calling you out either, but jets went 16-32 because of having a young QB with limited weapons offensively. While we  have two future HOFers on offense who still are playing at a high level.
 

Jets have a Top 10 defense in large part because of Adams, while our problem has always been with our defense. As much as I love Neal, Adams would be a huge upgrade over him, even if Keanu could stay healthy. It’s not gonna happen, but if we could somehow get Adams he would make a huge difference in our defense. Which would move us several steps closer to a SB.

IMO.

No worries man...and I get what you’re saying w the Jets record not being on Adams, buts it’s kind of my point too...if we pay him big money gotta make some big sacrifices and we cant win it all with a few top dollar studs...especially considering it could cost us 2 firsts.

no doubt he is better than Neal, not arguing that. I am saying to upgrade him from Neal we would need to dish out big time draft capital, pay him big, Neal is guaranteed his salary this year as well. I just feel that deal makes the team go backwards. If both are free agents I am after Adams no doubt.

Side note, we had a top 10 defense last season Neal was healthy as well if my memory is correct. (Disclaimer it may not be correct and I could just be spewing nonsense 😂)

[k-train]

2 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

Football is no different than life. You feel one way this year, things change next year. Dallas tried to trade for Earl and Seattle didnt want to cooperate. When Earl became a Free Agent he went elsewhere. That's just the business. I recall Earl telling Garrett to come get him, they tried but I dont recall Earl ever stating publicly he wanted to be in Dallas. I could be wrong though. 

As for the second part, I already knew that would be your exact response. Just about Everything listed in this thread is a reach and not a fact.  Why not add to it, right? Or am I not allowed? 

Like I said, you can take things for what they are worth just as I will. He said loud and clear he wants to be dealt to Dallas. He doesnt have control. He's going to be happy wherever he goes because he made it out of New York but theres a main place he really wants to be. 

Speaking out publicly like that rarely ever helps the player. In most cases it has turned teams off in the past. A player his caliber will have teams interested but theres only so many that can realistically make him and the Jets happy in a trade

Well, it was reported that the Cowboys offered a 1st & a CB for Adams last year, but the Jets said no. So, IMO it really is pretty similar to Earl's situation where they apparently made an offer but were refused by Seattle. I'd say Earl getting caught on camera telling Jason Garrett to come get him is on par with Adams posting a list of teams on Twitter & making the exact type of statement you'd expect him to toward a random Cowboy's fan. Both of those guys are from near Dallas if I'm not mistaken, which is why there seems to be more thought that they want to be there, but I suppose none of it even matters until something happens... if it does at all.

As for everything in here just being speculation & hypotheticals, I know, man. I know.

I threw out that idea of trading Ridley just to gauge what people would think is too much to offer for a player like Adams, and people started immediately jumping on my *** & telling me I'm an idiot for even suggesting anything... even after I explained it was simply a question, not a suggestion.

[Tribal Chief]

5 minutes ago, k-train said:

Well, it was reported that the Cowboys offered a 1st & a CB for Adams last year, but the Jets said no. So, IMO it really is pretty similar to Earl's situation where they apparently made an offer but were refused by Seattle. I'd say Earl getting caught on camera telling Jason Garrett to come get him is on par with Adams posting a list of teams on Twitter & making the exact type of statement you'd expect him to toward a random Cowboy's fan. Both of those guys are from near Dallas if I'm not mistaken, which is why there seems to be more thought that they want to be there, but I suppose none of it even matters until something happens... if it does at all.

As for everything in here just being speculation & hypotheticals, I know, man. I know.

I threw out that idea of trading Ridley just to gauge what people would think is too much to offer for a player like Adams, and people started immediately jumping on my *** & telling me I'm an idiot for even suggesting anything... even after I explained it was simply a question, not a suggestion.

It depends on how you look at the Earl situation. Earl was a disgruntled member of the Seahawks. So he was caught telling Garrett that. **** do we even know why earl was even disgruntled to begin with lol

Last season we saw OBJ and Landry doing the same thing with the last few teams the Browns played. Come this year they have a new coach, attitudes have changed, not a word has been whispered. New year, new attitudes. 
 

Last year Adams was saying good stuff about the Jets, Jets were saying good stuff about him. Now we have this. Again, new year, new attitude. Even if he gets the trade he wants, unless they instantly lock him down long term, who’s to say he doesn’t walk(IF they don’t exercise every option available before paying him)

As for you suggesting that and the response you got, I can’t completely remember since this thread is a month old, I think I told you after you made that post that it was an idea that was already tossed out and dumped on. 

[Vandy]

On 6/26/2020 at 1:21 PM, 1989Fan said:

No worries man...and I get what you’re saying w the Jets record no being on Adams, buts it’s kind of my point too...if we pay him big money gotta make some big sacrifices and we cant win it all with a few top dollar studs...especially considering it could cost us 2 firsts.

no doubt he is better than Neal, not arguing that. I am saying to upgrade him from Neal we would need to dish out big time draft capital, pay him big, Neal is guaranteed his salary this year as well. I just feel that deal makes the team go backwards. If both are free agents I am after Adams no doubt.

Side note, we had a top 10 defense last season Neal was healthy as well if my memory is correct. (Disclaimer it may not be correct and I could just be spewing nonsense 😂)

I agree 89. All what you said plus we just don’t have the cap space to make a play for Adams.
 

But my man...he’s the kind of player who would transform our D from average (at best) to elite.