Jamal Adams

[k-train]

1 minute ago, falcons007 said:

I am one of biggest proponent of Jamaal Adams trade but this dumbest thing I have seen here today. Why would you take a strength of the team and make it weakness to address an upgrade. Trade a 2021 first round and win now. This is the mentality which gets the team in trouble. 

I'm not suggesting we would or should do that, just simply wondering what price people think is too steep for a player like Adams at a position of need.

As for the  simply offering a 2021 1st.. the Jets won't take just a 1st for Adams, otherwise he'd already be a Cowboy. Dallas offered a 1st & a nickel CB from last year, but the Jets turned it down, wanting significantly more compensation apparently.

The Jets need WR help, and we have one they would probably love to add, thus the idea behind the hypothetical trade scenario I posted.

[k-train]

11 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I'm baffled at how you guys seriously want to get rid of Ridley. 

I never said we should do that, but rather was gauging what folks think would be too steep a price to pay for Adams.

[falcons007]

5 minutes ago, k-train said:

I'm not suggesting we would or should do that, just simply wondering what price people think is too steep for a player like Adams at a position of need.

As for the  simply offering a 2021 1st.. the Jets won't take just a 1st for Adams, otherwise he'd already be a Cowboy. Dallas offered a 1st & a nickel CB from last year, but the Jets turned it down, wanting significantly more compensation apparently.

The Jets need WR help, and we have one they would probably love to add, thus the idea behind the hypothetical trade scenario I posted.

I wouldn’t do a straight swap of Ridley with Jamal Adams. Ridley has 3 years left on a cheap deal, trying to sign some one like Ridley in FA will cost way more. WR get paid more than safeties. 

[k-train]

Just now, falcons007 said:

I wouldn’t do a straight swap of Ridley with Jamal Adams. Ridley has 3 years left on a cheap deal, trying to sign some one like Ridley in FA will cost way more. WR get paid more than safeties. 

Thanks man, that was more the sort of thing I was looking for than the previous responses. Guess I should've worded that initial post better to be more clear about what my point was.

For the record, I totally agree. Doubt they'd go for it based on them turning down that offer from Dallas, but I'd offer our 2021 1st, 2021 4th, and Ricardo Allen. Rico has a nearly $9M cap hit next year, so I'm not sure he's gonna still be here anyhow. The $9M you'd be spending on Rico would be far better served going toward what we'd need to pay Adams IMO.

[KillaDrtyBrd401]

36 minutes ago, k-train said:

Just spitballing; here but...

Would you trade:

 Falcons 2021 1st & 3rd (Hooper comp pick?)
Calvin Ridley

for

Jets' 2021 2nd
Jamal Adams

That is way too much!  No way in **** would I even consider that!!!

Edited May 23, 2020 by KillaDrtyBrd401

[k-train]

11 minutes ago, KillaDrtyBrd401 said:

That is way too much!  No way in **** would I even consider that!!!

Yeah, I agree that it's pretty steep.

Based on the Jets telling the Cowboys a 1st rounder and a Nickel CB wasn't enough, what's the most you'd be willing to offer for Adams?

[trubirdfan4life]

No chance if the 1st and 3rd. Thats just dumb.

[ramonezy]

I'm interested, but what do you think his new contract would look like? 

[falcons007]

20 minutes ago, k-train said:

Thanks man, that was more the sort of thing I was looking for than the previous responses. Guess I should've worded that initial post better to be more clear about what my point was.

For the record, I totally agree. Doubt they'd go for it based on them turning down that offer from Dallas, but I'd offer our 2021 1st, 2021 4th, and Ricardo Allen. Rico has a nearly $9M cap hit next year, so I'm not sure he's gonna still be here anyhow. The $9M you'd be spending on Rico would be far better served going toward what we'd need to pay Adams IMO.

It’s too much, give a first and fourth(last option).  Keep Rico this year. I love to see what Rico could do if we have some one like Adams in deep middle. Let Rico play multiple positions in the young secondary. 

[falcons007]

36 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

It'll be Debo next year. Calling it now

Yeah or Grady. 

[Tribal Chief]

36 minutes ago, k-train said:

I never said we should do that, but rather was gauging what folks think would be too steep a price to pay for Adams.

It's not the first time it has been mentioned, that's why it got that reaction

[k-train]

31 minutes ago, trubirdfan4life said:

No chance if the 1st and 3rd. Thats just dumb.

I dunno, I mean clearly Adams is well worth a 1st. So then, what's the true value of the additional 3rd?

The best TD's ever done with a 3rd is...
Austin Hooper, a dude we just let walk rather than paying him to stick around.
Tevin Coleman, a dude who got hurt often, couldn't really hack it as a primary back, and was let walk rather than being retained for what wasn't a lot of money.
Thomas Decoud, a dude who had flashes of solid play, but quickly fizzled and was let go.
Harry Douglas, a dude who was solid but ultimately nothing more than an average role-player.

So would you give a 1st & one of those dudes for someone like Adams, considered to be among the best in the NFL at his position? I would.

Than consider TDs other 3rd rounders,

Would you give up the 1sr round pick and...
Chevis Jackson?
Chris Owens?
Mike Johnson?
Akeem Dent?
Lamar Holmes?
Dezmond Southward?
Deadrin Senat?

I'd do that in a heartbeat.
 

[KillaDrtyBrd401]

27 minutes ago, k-train said:

Yeah, I agree that it's pretty steep.

Based on the Jets telling the Cowboys a 1st rounder and a Nickel CB wasn't enough, what's the most you'd be willing to offer for Adams?

I’d offer a ‘21 1st and a ‘22 2nd and they take James Carpenter’s contract!

[k-train]

3 minutes ago, KillaDrtyBrd401 said:

I’d offer a ‘21 1st and a ‘22 2nd and they take James Carpenter’s contract!

I like the idea of staggering the picks to consecutive years so it's not a massive hit to the draft assets in one season.

[ATLSlobberKnockers]

18 hours ago, MoFalconsFan56 said:

Would be kinda skeet to give away our new GM’s first round pick. Dunno if Black will let him do it

Keep dreaming

[ATLSlobberKnockers]

40 minutes ago, KillaDrtyBrd401 said:

I’d offer a ‘21 1st and a ‘22 2nd and they take James Carpenter’s contract!

Was gomna say two firsts becaus e it would take atleast that imo, but be totally worth it.

[stizz]

You guys have to be alot more creative than just giving up picks and we have a backlog of safeties already.

I'd go Neal, Takk and next year's second for Adams.

[falcons007]

1 hour ago, KillaDrtyBrd401 said:

I’d offer a ‘21 1st and a ‘22 2nd and they take James Carpenter’s contract!

You can’t trade contracts in NFL.

[CMarinoNFL]

Listen, I am the biggest wishful thinker and false hoper in the world and I am praying we do end up finding a way to trade for Adams. He single handedly evolves our defense, BUT:

It probably won't happen. 

To preface: I'm not worried about the 1st round pick that's being given itself (I project them to go after a safety in the first round) because Adams is better than every safety in this class.

But let's be real. Blank won't scrutinize our future front office and take their hand print picks away just to win this one year. That's bad business. Adams is gonna ask for money we quite frankly, don't have. 

Plus, Adams has been on the trade block since last year. If we were even slightly serious about trading for him, would we have kept adding to the safety group in the draft and free agency? Now this piece of logic IS mildly far fetched, but I think the idea of trading for Jamal is as well. 

It's a dream for us all, and trust me, I HOPE it does happen, but I don't see it actually coming to fruition. He's probably going to earn ~15 annually, and he deserves it. 

Usually, the Falcons don't bite into these types of narratives and aren't the most aggressive trading team outside the draft, but I will say that they have seemed quite aggressive this offseason all things considered. 

You ask me? A first and a third is a joke. I offer that in a heartbeat. If we got Adams for a 1st and a 3rd, I'd streak my neighborhood and scar the eyes of many.. I just don't see us pulling the trigger.  If Blank is convinced that their plan will benefit the team for years to come, then we're talking, but everything the team is doing tells me they're satisfied with the safety group as it is today. 

I want it to happen, I just dont think it will.

[KillaDrtyBrd401]

2 hours ago, falcons007 said:

You can’t trade contracts in NFL.

lol  yes i know, i meant id need them to take him, giving us a few $M.  Its not the NBA, i get it, i assumed ppl would understand what i meant.

[falcons007]

8 minutes ago, KillaDrtyBrd401 said:

lol  yes i know, i meant id need them to take him, giving us a few $M.  Its not the NBA, i get it, i assumed ppl would understand what i meant.

Falcons will still be on the hook for 5.1 M if they trade him before the season. He can be cut or traded next year with out too much dead cap.

[KillaDrtyBrd401]

1 hour ago, falcons007 said:

Falcons will still be on the hook for 5.1 M if they trade him before the season. He can be cut or traded next year with out too much dead cap.

Gotcha mate.  

You in for a ‘21 1st and a ‘22 2nd?

[KillaDrtyBrd401]

4 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Was gomna say two firsts becaus e it would take atleast that imo, but be totally worth it.

I don’t trade consecutive 1s unless is draft night. My ‘21 1st and ‘22 2nd scare the **** out of me too, but I agree, him on this D would give us some legitimacy on the back end as well as the box! 

[Mister pudding]

6 hours ago, k-train said:

Yeah, I agree that it's pretty steep.

Based on the Jets telling the Cowboys a 1st rounder and a Nickel CB wasn't enough, what's the most you'd be willing to offer for Adams?

Just like selling a house... usually your first offer is your best offer. I'd only give them a first. That's gonna be a huge contract and he's making it pretty tough on the Jets

[trubirdfan4life]

On 5/23/2020 at 5:51 PM, k-train said:

I dunno, I mean clearly Adams is well worth a 1st. So then, what's the true value of the additional 3rd?

The best TD's ever done with a 3rd is...
Austin Hooper, a dude we just let walk rather than paying him to stick around.
Tevin Coleman, a dude who got hurt often, couldn't really hack it as a primary back, and was let walk rather than being retained for what wasn't a lot of money.
Thomas Decoud, a dude who had flashes of solid play, but quickly fizzled and was let go.
Harry Douglas, a dude who was solid but ultimately nothing more than an average role-player.

So would you give a 1st & one of those dudes for someone like Adams, considered to be among the best in the NFL at his position? I would.

Than consider TDs other 3rd rounders,

Would you give up the 1sr round pick and...
Chevis Jackson?
Chris Owens?
Mike Johnson?
Akeem Dent?
Lamar Holmes?
Dezmond Southward?
Deadrin Senat?

I'd do that in a heartbeat.
 

This team with high end contracts can't afford to give up that much draft capital.  Obviously, all 32 NFL owners and GMs feel the same way. Its just dumb to give up a 1st and 3rd for a guy who you are going to have to sign to a big deal in order to justify giving up the picks. This team doesn't have the money or team depth to pay another big contract or give up picks. You seem to miss the point of the draft. What you choose to do "in a heartbeat", zero GMs agree.