Falcons Trade For DE Charles Harris

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3 minutes ago, Monolith2001 said:

What to hope for (happy if we get half of what he was coming out)

 

This is the perfect example of how wrong we all can be about a player by watching YouTube highlights from college.   Harris looks fantastic here.

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29 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said:

Down to take a risk on him

I am too. I dont see the problem. For a 7th round pick the is very low risk.

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Maybe this trade was just to motivate Takk.   However, I don’t believe anyone understands how to motivate Takk.

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6 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

It feels like a terrible strategy now of just collecting failed 1st round picks.

Seems everyone that TD likes in pre-draft process from previous years that flop and become available- we pickup this year.   The bigger the flop the better. 

Yet when belichick does it he's a genius.

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Seriously.. For a seventh rounder this is worth the risk. He will an free agent next year if he does not produce.

What do we normally use a seventh rounder for? How can people be angry about that? 

1,9mio? Arent we paying Schaub 4 mio a year?

[TheRisen999 521]

Its a 7th Round pick. We were not going to get a world beater in the 7th round next year anyway and we've theoretically gotten our punter from this years draft so why not? If he's trash we loose nothing, if he actually contributes (4 to 6) sacks Dimitroff looks like a genius.

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1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Yet when belichick does it he's a genius.

Results matter.   Belicheck has history of making reclamation projects better.  Do the Falcons?

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Not a fan. 

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Just now, g-dawg said:

Results matter.   Belicheck has history of making reclamation projects better.  Do the Falcons?

I don't remember us ever trying, at least not to this magnitude.

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2 minutes ago, FalconOdense said:

Seriously.. For a seventh rounder this is worth the risk. He will an free agent next year if he does not produce.

What do we normally use a seventh rounder for? How can people be angry about that? 

1,9mio? Arent we paying Schaub 4 mio a year?

Yeah not much to lose.  Probably would have been cut by Monday though.  Of course at that point you have to compete with other NFL teams.

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Guess this means no Clowney huh?

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Just now, FalconFanSince1969 said:

I don't remember us ever trying, at least not to this magnitude.

TD and DQ are desperate with no cap room

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Just now, MD-FalconFan13 said:

Guess this means no Clowney huh?

No Clownie to Atlantie

[Da_Truth 1,927]

So many GMs, so little experience on an actual NFL team.  How about just wait and see what the guy does on the field.  It's a trade for a 7th round pick.  Could we find a DE in the 7th with his potential?

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2 minutes ago, Da_Truth said:

So many GMs, so little experience on an actual NFL team.  How about just wait and see what the guy does on the field.  It's a trade for a 7th round pick.  Could we find a DE in the 7th with his potential?

After averaging  1.17/sack per year in three years?

yeah probably.

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34 minutes ago, EpicBird said:

Here’s the problem: His salary of $1.9 million is fully guaranteed. He’s had 3.5 sacks in 41 career games. You could get that from a practice squad player for less than a third of that money. So unless DQ thinks he alone has the special sauce to turn Charles Harris has emphatically showed he ain’t, this is waste of money, waste of a draft pick (even a conditional one), and a waste of a roster spot. Dolphins probably can’t believe they found someone to take the guy off their hands. 

Yeah he was about to be cut.

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Reading a couple draft scouting reports he was compared to Connor Barwin and Jerry Hughes. I doubt he'll be either but it seems he's a high motor guy who moves well but the technique isn't there. I'm still down for a 7th rounder for him.

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2 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

After averaging  1.17/sack per year in three years?

yeah probably.

Tell me one DE taken in the 7th who's dominated?

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When I heard we traded for some DL from a Florida team I got real excited. Then I was quickly reminded we are the Falcons and this is not who I was hoping for. Same Sheet different year

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20 minutes ago, Cheyakita said:

Why are y’all hating? It’s a 7th rounder and a smart move concerning Takks inability to finish a season healthy and also likely attitude to having his 5th season declined. Cry about not having depth then cry some more when the depth isn’t who you want. Talk about never being satisfied.

Because when you look at our dline, it projects to be toward the bottom of the league in sacks again. TD could have found production elsewhere via trade.

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15 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

TD and DQ are desperate with no cap room

There's 10 mil coming in a month. I wouldn't say we have no cap room. There's always room.

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I’ve come to think Drew Boylhart from The Huddle Report is pretty good...here was his assessment of Harris during his draft year...

Drew’s Draft Rule number 14 – “Pass Rushing is not a specialty. It should be included in the evaluation of a DE or LB position in its totality”. That’s how I feel and it’s hard for me to give a player who may have 1st round talent in one part of his game and doesn’t bring that talent to the rest of his game. The truth is I’m in the minority in this thinking because year after year players with Charles size and specialty pass rushing talents are selected in the first round. Some have made it and become excellent players and some have failed miserably. The failure is only because of expectations of being selected in the first round and not because they don’t bring their special talents with them to the NFL level. The expectation of selecting a player in the first round is that he will become a starting player for your team. If that player only becomes a specialty player like a nickel/back or just a pass rusher they can become a good player but not an impact player because they are not on the field enough to impact. Charles for me is a perfect example of this situation. You select him in the first round and he doesn’t develop and learn to stop the run than he is not on the field enough to impact like a 1st round selection and he is considered a bust and the GM and coach wind up losing their jobs. You selected him in the 2nd round and if he still doesn’t develop it’s not a big deal, if he does develop you have a steal and you’re considered a genius in selecting players in the draft. Here’s the catch someone else selects him in the first round and he DOES develop and you missed out on selecting a great pass rusher. This draft thing is tough. Still I know Charles can be a good run stuffer but I see on film a player with that talent who doesn’t bother to apply that talent and that sends up the red flag for me personally. That to me is big issue; it’s like a tight end that has the talent to block but doesn’t bother. It’s a character flaw more than a talent flaw and Drew’s Draft Rule number 4 says “Character is as important as Talent”

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1 minute ago, stizz said:

Because when you look at our dline, it projects to be toward the bottom of the league in sacks again. TD could have found production elsewhere via trade.

A line of Grady and Fowler alone is better than a lot of teams. It's easy to tell who doesn't really keep up with other teams around the NFL.

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20 minutes ago, TheRisen999 said:

Its a 7th Round pick. We were not going to get a world beater in the 7th round next year anyway and we've theoretically gotten our punter from this years draft so why not? If he's trash we loose nothing, if he actually contributes (4 to 6) sacks Dimitroff looks like a genius.

Agreed that 7th is a “so what” pick, low risk. That’s not the problem. The guaranteed $1.9 million is. 

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Just now, FalconFanSince1969 said:

A line of Grady and Fowler alone is better than a lot of teams. It's easy to tell who doesn't really keep up with other teams around the NFL.

Just like it's easy to keep up with guys who get lazy once they get drafted and eventually bust. Didn't stop you from making that post about how it doesn't happen.