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14 hours ago, youngbloodz said:

That isn’t earth shattering. Donald was the Outland and Bednarik Award winner. He straight up demolished the Senior Bowl. We picked 6th that year and we needed a OT bad that year. But that was the year some wanted us to trade up for Clowney and was hoping Mack felled to us. A couple fans was on the Donald train at 6. But it was only a couple. He went to 13 that year 

Chuck also mentioned Notre Dame DL Stephen Truitt, who was available when TD drafted Hageman.   Truitt was much more productive in college, played against tougher competition.  But Truitt was considered, by some,  to have a lower ceiling than Hageman.

So TD drafts Hageman, Truitt went to the Steelers where, to my knowledge, Truitt is still starting.   Truitt has had a good productive career.

Chuck Smith knows football, he played at a high level. Chuck says what he thinks, and believes.... no matter whose toes he ends up stepping on.    Which is why Chuck will never be a part of the Falcons organization as long as TD is around.

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So, here is how I see it: Forget the Falcons, Smith has NEVER coached in the NFL or any level outside of 1 year as an assistant with UT when they "mutually parted ways" after 1 season.  He c

That isn’t earth shattering. Donald was the Outland and Bednarik Award winner. He straight up demolished the Senior Bowl. We picked 6th that year and we needed a OT bad that year. But that was the yea

Regardless of whatever other details exist, let's not pretend that 12 other teams didn't pass on Donald also. Come on. Jake was a very safe pick at a position the Falcons needed. You can't miss on you

1 minute ago, egoprime II said:

Chuck also mentioned Notre Dame DL Stephen Truitt, who was available when TD drafted Hageman.   Truitt was much more productive in college, played against tougher competition.  But Truitt was considered, by some,  to have a lower ceiling than Hageman.

So TD drafts Hageman, Truitt went to the Steelers where, to my knowledge, Truitt is still starting.   Truitt has had a good productive career.

Chuck Smith knows football, he played at a high level. Chuck says what he thinks, and believes.... no matter whose toes he ends up stepping on.    Which is why Chuck will never be a part of the Falcons organization as long as TD is around.

He knows football and pass rush. That is true 

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15 hours ago, youngbloodz said:

That isn’t earth shattering. Donald was the Outland and Bednarik Award winner. He straight up demolished the Senior Bowl. We picked 6th that year and we needed a OT bad that year. But that was the year some wanted us to trade up for Clowney and was hoping Mack felled to us. A couple fans was on the Donald train at 6. But it was only a couple. He went to 13 that year 

Actually that year most "experts" had Donald mocked as a second rounder.  After he mauled everyone at the senior bowl he shot up the board but was still considered a late first.  Mack was the consensus pick that everyone wanted but he went one pick before us and we took Jake.  OT was a massive hole that year.    

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36 minutes ago, egoprime II said:

Chuck also mentioned Notre Dame DL Stephen Truitt, who was available when TD drafted Hageman.   Truitt was much more productive in college, played against tougher competition.  But Truitt was considered, by some,  to have a lower ceiling than Hageman.

So TD drafts Hageman, Truitt went to the Steelers where, to my knowledge, Truitt is still starting.   Truitt has had a good productive career.

Chuck Smith knows football, he played at a high level. Chuck says what he thinks, and believes.... no matter whose toes he ends up stepping on.    Which is why Chuck will never be a part of the Falcons organization as long as TD is around.

Chuck was never part of any nfl coaching staff. I don’t think he will be anytime soon. The obsession of chuck smith on this site is way overblown. I wanted TD and DQ fired last year but this chuck smith obsession is funny.

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1 hour ago, falcons007 said:

Lol. Where does Hageman come in to this argument. There wasn’t a replacement for Jake in the draft. Ryan had worst at RT. With out Jake at LT he would have retired... Falcons had Bear pascoe and Toilolo playing tackle and guard. You think Falcons were gonna be ok with out Jake. That’s some funny weed ish right there. Not too mention Jake was big part of 2016 SB run. 

We took Hageman at 37

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1 hour ago, falcons007 said:

I don’t care about Hageman. Jake prpably saved Ryan’s career that year..

I know hindsight is 2020 but looking at who we could have taken in the 2nd in 2014 is astounding.  Van Noy, Tuitt, Joyner, Jernigan, Attaochu, Adams, Landry, Ealy, Hyde. 

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2 64 SEA Justin Britt
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5 hours ago, pa_falcon_fan said:

That sucks man.  I got that same vibe from Keith Brooking when I met him.  It is disappointing when you like a player and they're kind of a jerk when you finally meet them.

Thankfully, the vast majority of Falcons I've met have been great.  One of my favorites was Patrick Kerney.  He was a monster on the field  but total goofball off of it.  My wife wanted a picture with him.  Since he is 6'5" and she is 5'6", she tried to pop up on her toes for the pic.. and every time she would pop up he would pop up on his toes too.  He was cracking up the whole time.  It was just one of those moments.   

Speaking of Kerney, didn’t he and Chuck have the same amount of sacks as Falcons? I mean... since everyone is kicking around the term “legend” around here... lol.  Loved Kerney, hate he was not a Falcon for life.  Always seemed like a great guy off the field as well, glad you had the chance to meet him.

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2 hours ago, thamill said:

Actually that year most "experts" had Donald mocked as a second rounder.  After he mauled everyone at the senior bowl he shot up the board but was still considered a late first.  Mack was the consensus pick that everyone wanted but he went one pick before us and we took Jake.  OT was a massive hole that year.    

I remember that draft very well. After Donald’s Combine and pro day every mock consistently had him in the mid to late 1st round. There was a lot of people that wanted OT . And I mean a lot

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Just now, youngbloodz said:

I remember that draft very well. After Donald’s Combine and pro day every mock consistently had him in the mid to late 1st round. There was a lot of people that wanted OT . And I mean a lot

Me too.  At the time, I was hoping we would get Mack in the 1st and Donald in the 2nd.  Could you imagine if that had played out?  

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18 hours ago, youngbloodz said:

Yeah seems like DQ is too stubborn to see it. And it seems like he has a little snake in him. If what Chuck says is true. We only have his side

I've always considered Dan Quinn to be a hapless clown of a HC, but somebody who at least always treated players and the people around the league with class. I have no reason whatsoever to believe Chuck Smith would make up the tale of Quinn constantly taking advantage of his love for the team and desire to help, then blowing him off when it came time to make him part of the coaching staff.

I've run a company, I understand there are some competent folks that are looking for a job, but you want somebody else. Maybe not quite as skilled, but a little less grating as far as personality. As much time and effort Chuck Smith put in to help Quinn for basically no financial or any other compensation in Seattle and several times over the years here, when it came time to hire somebody after Cox got fired if there was some reason Quinn didn't want him on his coaching staff he should have shown him the respect to tell him exactly what the reason was.

Not that it means anything, but I'm disgusted and furious he would disrespect and use a guy who loves the Falcons and has always remained as close to the team as Chuck Smith. He should've been hiring this guy and giving him the credit, instead of using him, BS-ing him and then taking the credit for the turnaround.

If he was there and involved, then Smith had a critical role in the second half surge and basically saved Quinn's job.  His reward? Quinn snubbs him again. SMGDH. That's it for me DQ. I eagerly await the day your dumb asz gets fired and you and your asinine slogans are gone from this town forever. You're nothing but a poser and a g** d**** loser.

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19 hours ago, wartownfalcon said:

Go to the 50 minute mark if you don’t care about everything else. Right before he did mention Clowney and why no one is picking him up. Said Clowney is trending sideways, hasn’t gotten any better. Actually trending slightly down because he can’t rush the passer.

Makes sense. Beasley has 6.5 more career sacks than Clowney with 1 less year of experience. 

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4 hours ago, falcons007 said:

Chuck was never part of any nfl coaching staff. I don’t think he will be anytime soon. The obsession of chuck smith on this site is way overblown. I wanted TD and DQ fired last year but this chuck smith obsession is funny.

No coaching experience?   Anyone can get coaching experience.  Chuck Smith has something better....actual playing experience, at a high level, for the two best Falcons teams in the 90's.  Both teams went to the playoffs, beating the 49'ers twice both times.   Chuck also forced a fumble in the NFC championship game that helped the Falcons win that game.   Chuck Smith was one of the four or five best pass rushers the Falcons have ever had.  

Folks gravitate towards Chuck because he was a good player.... he cares about the Falcons, the players and fans....and Smith calls it like he sees it which definitely makes him less popular around Flowery Branch.    Thing is, Chuck is one of the few former players that wants to help the Falcons win.  So yeah Chuck will get attention, because he is the only former player that goes out of his way to talk to fans.   This makes Chuck unique among former Falcons players.

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1 hour ago, egoprime II said:

No coaching experience?   Anyone can get coaching experience.  Chuck Smith has something better....actual playing experience, at a high level, for the two best Falcons teams in the 90's.  Both teams went to the playoffs, beating the 49'ers twice both times.   Chuck also forced a fumble in the NFC championship game that helped the Falcons win that game.   Chuck Smith was one of the four or five best pass rushers the Falcons have ever had.  

Folks gravitate towards Chuck because he was a good player.... he cares about the Falcons, the players and fans....and Smith calls it like he sees it which definitely makes him less popular around Flowery Branch.    Thing is, Chuck is one of the few former players that wants to help the Falcons win.  So yeah Chuck will get attention, because he is the only former player that goes out of his way to talk to fans.   This makes Chuck unique among former Falcons players.

Doesn’t change the fact it’s just not TD and Falcons but none of the teams have hired him as a coach. You implied TD was not hiring him. No one is disputing he was a good player,  if he was great coach he would have been hired by many NFL teams. He is good radio host and coaches players on the side. I am happy he has his own niche as analyst and host.

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4 hours ago, thamill said:

I know hindsight is 2020 but looking at who we could have taken in the 2nd in 2014 is astounding.  Van Noy, Tuitt, Joyner, Jernigan, Attaochu, Adams, Landry, Ealy, Hyde. 

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Hindsight is always fun. The fact is the draft is a low percentage game. Very few players survive more than 4-5 years in the NFL. Look at Grady Jarrett, he was passed by many times 5 times.

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11 hours ago, octoslash said:

Some people seem to think every syllable that falls from the mouth of Mr. Smith is a golden nugget, but when you analyze him,  he doesn't really seem to possess any more football knowledge than most average fans.  

 

I'm an average fan! Maybe Aaron Donald and Bud Dupree will pay money to learn pass rush from me this offseason. Or maybe you will get lucky and they show up at your door! I'd settle for Quinn bringing me in to pick my brain about fixing the defense tbh.

 Whoever becomes the NFL pass rush consultant this offseason buys the rest of us a beer, deal?

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He listed off all those internships and it raises a question for me:  What's the reason none of those teams ever offered him a permanent job?  If I interview with 5 companies and none of them select me despite having the qualifications for the job, I'm going to think it's got something to do with me rather than them.  Not saying this is definitely the case but there's more to this story that we aren't hearing for sure...

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On 4/27/2020 at 11:50 PM, youngbloodz said:

Yeah seems like DQ is too stubborn to see it. And it seems like he has a little snake in him. If what Chuck says is true. We only have his side

This has been my suspicion with Quinn after we started having defensive coach turn over. I started to wonder if he would bring in the best coaches to elevate the defense or just bring in who would not under mind him and tweak his baby (his defensive scheme). 

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32 minutes ago, Joey563 said:

This has been my suspicion with Quinn after we started having defensive coach turn over. I started to wonder if he would bring in the best coaches to elevate the defense or just bring in who would not under mind him and tweak his baby (his defensive scheme). 

Other than Jeff Ulbrich, is there a single coach he has brought in on defense that has been impressive? 

Raheem Morris was inherited from Smitty, remember. 

He generally seems to go with guys he already knows.

Even on offense, the one time he picked a coach based solely on how scary his offense was is Shanny, and you saw how much a difference that made.

Sarkisian was a friend, and Koetter was a retread who the team/QB were "comfortable" with, not an offensive visionary who would challenge our team to grow.

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