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On 4/29/2020 at 1:42 PM, Mister pudding said:

Ok, last one lol.

Julio only had 3 TD in the full season before Ridley. 14 TD in 2 seasons with Ridley. I guess they both feed off each other. Defenses can't just double and triple Julio all game anymore 

Double teams you say Julio’s been seeing this since about 2012 maybe earlier.

 

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Ridley ain't going anywhere

All over the board, predraft and postdraft, I see... We should trade Ridley and some #1s to trade up in the draft or We should trade Ridley for Yannick Ngakoue or Jamal Adams. Neve

As much as I want a safety. No. Ridley is a good receiver. #1 level skills and speed. No

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1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said:

But surely you’d have made a decision on if he was a contract guy or not by then.If he isn’t move him on.Sure all that moneys off the books but it would be smarter in my eyes to have an idea of who you want to build around before having to pay or let him go.

The idea of a 1-year rental for a player with a high price tag, but who should produce well is nothing unusual at all for any GM in any sport.

Just because a team doesn't want to hitch their wagon to a player for year & years doesn't mean they can't find them worth keeping for their current situation. Given who will likely still be around & who won't in 2023, and considering Ridley will turn 29 that year, it's not at all absurd to me to envision the FO deciding he can help them in 2023, but they don't want to invest in him long-term at that point.

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4 minutes ago, k-train said:

The idea of a 1-year rental for a player with a high price tag, but who should produce well is nothing unusual at all for any GM in any sport.

Just because a team doesn't want to hitch their wagon to a player for year & years doesn't mean they can't find them worth keeping for their current situation. Given who will likely still be around & who won't in 2023, and considering Ridley will turn 29 that year, it's not at all absurd to me to envision the FO deciding he can help them in 2023, but they don't want to invest in him long-term at that point.

I just think there’s smarter ways we could spend that 15 plus tag money per.I mean we saw a terrible decision with VB44 on that front.We don’t want to repeat that.If he’s not your guy for the long haul let him go and reload is how I’d treat that.

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So which of the following was a better WR pick in 2018... Not even close... We slayed it.   CR has been one of our best picks in some time & goes to show you just what happens when you go BPA...  Nobody expected to see him drop & there he was at 26.

# Player School Height Weight 40-Time
1. Calvin Ridley Alabama 6-0½ 189 4.43
2. D.J. Moore Maryland 6-0 210 4.42
3. Courtland Sutton S.M.U. 6-3⅜ 218 4.54
4. Christian Kirk Texas A&M 5-10⅜ 201 4.45
5. D.J. Chark L.S.U. 6-2⅞ 199 4.34
6. James Washington Oklahoma St. 5-11 213 4.54
7. Anthony Miller Memphis 5-11¼ 200 4.50
8. Dante Pettis Washington 6-0½ 186 4.47
9. Michael Gallup Colorado St. 6-0¾ 205 4.51
10. Equanimeous St. Brown Notre Dame 6-4¾ 214 4.48
11. Deon Cain Clemson 6-1⅞ 202 4.43
12. Tre’Quan Smith Central Florida 6-1¾ 203 4.49
13. DaeSean Hamilton Penn St. 6-0⅝ 203 4.52
14. Allen Lazard Iowa St. 6-4⅝ 227 4.55
15. Marcell Ateman Oklahoma St. 6-4½ 216 4.62
16. Daurice Fountain Northern Iowa 6-1½ 206 4.51
17. Keke Coutee Texas Tech 5-9¾ 181 4.43
18. Korey Robertson Southern Miss 6-0⅝ 212 4.56
19. Simmie Cobbs Indiana 6-3⅛ 220 4.64
20. Deontay Burnett USC 5-11⅝ 186 4.70
21. Cedrick Wilson Boise St. 6-2¼ 197 4.55
22. Antonio Callaway Florida 5-10⅝ 200 4.41
23. Trey Quinn S.M.U. 5-11⅜ 203 4.55
24. J’Mon Moore Missouri 6-2⅝ 207 4.60
25. Jaleel Scott New Mexico St. 6-4¾ 218 4.56
26. Javon Wims Georgia 6-2⅞ 215 4.53
27. Justin Watson Penn 6-2⅜ 215 4.44
28. Byron Pringle Kansas St. 6-1⅛ 203 4.46
29. Braxton Berrios Miami (FL) 5-8⅝ 184 4.44
30. Dylan Cantrell Texas Tech 6-2⅞ 226 4.59
31. Damion Ratley Texas A&M 6-1¾ 196 4.39
32. Jester Weah Pittsburgh 6-2¼ 211 4.43
33. Jordan Lasley UCLA 6-1 203 4.50
34. Russell Gage L.S.U. 6-0 186 4.50
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On 4/27/2020 at 10:03 AM, HASHBROWN3 said:

I don't understand how anyone with any understanding of football & especially of our team can suggest such a downright stupid move.  

It's beyond stupid.  It's immature & foolish.  I don't want to punish anyone but some people here need to be held accountable for throwing around such incredibly irresponsible ideas.  Otherwise, they'll keep doing it LOL!

It reminds me not to take too many of our posters seriously.  Sure we're here to post opinions & enjoy the falcons, but for crying out loud, use some sort of common sense!

No way man. We all know it. Everyone on our team who makes over 600k a year has to go so we can have the ideal cap situation in the next 10 years. No one cares what they really do. We're 4-12 so everyone must go. None of them have ever won a SB so they stink. Blow it up.

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6 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

So which of the following was a better WR pick in 2018... Not even close... We slayed it.   CR has been one of our best picks in some time & goes to show you just what happens when you go BPA...  Nobody expected to see him drop & there he was at 26.

# Player School Height Weight 40-Time
1. Calvin Ridley Alabama 6-0½ 189 4.43
2. D.J. Moore Maryland 6-0 210 4.42
3. Courtland Sutton S.M.U. 6-3⅜ 218 4.54
4. Christian Kirk Texas A&M 5-10⅜ 201 4.45
5. D.J. Chark L.S.U. 6-2⅞ 199 4.34
6. James Washington Oklahoma St. 5-11 213 4.54
7. Anthony Miller Memphis 5-11¼ 200 4.50
8. Dante Pettis Washington 6-0½ 186 4.47
9. Michael Gallup Colorado St. 6-0¾ 205 4.51
10. Equanimeous St. Brown Notre Dame 6-4¾ 214 4.48
11. Deon Cain Clemson 6-1⅞ 202 4.43
12. Tre’Quan Smith Central Florida 6-1¾ 203 4.49
13. DaeSean Hamilton Penn St. 6-0⅝ 203 4.52
14. Allen Lazard Iowa St. 6-4⅝ 227 4.55
15. Marcell Ateman Oklahoma St. 6-4½ 216 4.62
16. Daurice Fountain Northern Iowa 6-1½ 206 4.51
17. Keke Coutee Texas Tech 5-9¾ 181 4.43
18. Korey Robertson Southern Miss 6-0⅝ 212 4.56
19. Simmie Cobbs Indiana 6-3⅛ 220 4.64
20. Deontay Burnett USC 5-11⅝ 186 4.70
21. Cedrick Wilson Boise St. 6-2¼ 197 4.55
22. Antonio Callaway Florida 5-10⅝ 200 4.41
23. Trey Quinn S.M.U. 5-11⅜ 203 4.55
24. J’Mon Moore Missouri 6-2⅝ 207 4.60
25. Jaleel Scott New Mexico St. 6-4¾ 218 4.56
26. Javon Wims Georgia 6-2⅞ 215 4.53
27. Justin Watson Penn 6-2⅜ 215 4.44
28. Byron Pringle Kansas St. 6-1⅛ 203 4.46
29. Braxton Berrios Miami (FL) 5-8⅝ 184 4.44
30. Dylan Cantrell Texas Tech 6-2⅞ 226 4.59
31. Damion Ratley Texas A&M 6-1¾ 196 4.39
32. Jester Weah Pittsburgh 6-2¼ 211 4.43
33. Jordan Lasley UCLA 6-1 203 4.50
34. Russell Gage L.S.U. 6-0 186 4.50

See what happens when you take bpa?

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17 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

I just think there’s smarter ways we could spend that 15 plus tag money per.I mean we saw a terrible decision with VB44 on that front.We don’t want to repeat that.If he’s not your guy for the long haul let him go and reload is how I’d treat that.

I'm not sure I'd let Vic Beasley's actions have any sway into a decision about Ridley.

That aside, I understand what you are trying to get at though... and if you look at my first post, you'll see that I'm in agreement that there may very well be a point where it's best to let him walk. But if they think the better value at that point is to keep him for a year on the tag & then either trade him the following year vs. letting him walk and getting a comp pick, I'd fully understand the decision.

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Tell you what, if we examine the 2018 first round, it was good to most teams. For the most part there were a lot of hits.

Round 1

1. Cleveland Browns: QB Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma

2. New York Giants: RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State

3. New York Jets: QB Sam Darnold, USC

4. Cleveland Browns: CB Denzel Ward, Ohio State

5. Denver Broncos: DE Bradley Chubb, NC State

6. Indianapolis Colts: OG Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame

7. Buffalo Bills: QB Josh Allen, Wyoming

8. Chicago Bears: LB Roquan Smith, Georgia

9. San Francisco 49ers: OT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame

10. Arizona Cardinals: QB Josh Rosen, UCLA

11. Miami Dolphins: DB Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama

12. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DT Vita Vea, Washington

13. Washington: DT Da’Ron Payne, Alabama

14. New Orleans Saints: DE Marcus Davenport, UTSA

15. Oakland Raiders: OT Kolton Miller, UCLA

16. Buffalo Bills: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech

17. Los Angeles Chargers: DB Derwin James, Florida State

18. Green Bay Packers: CB Jaire Alexander, Louisville

19. Dallas Cowboys: LB Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State

20. Detroit Lions: C Frank Ragnow, Arkansas

21. Cincinnati Bengals: C Billy Price, Ohio State

22. Tennessee Titans: LB Rashaan Evans, Alabama

23. New England Patriots: OT Isaiah Wynn, Georgia

24. Carolina Panthers: WR D.J. Moore, Maryland

25. Baltimore Ravens: TE Hayden Hurst, South Carolina

26. Atlanta Falcons: WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama

27. Seattle Seahawks: RB Rashaad Penny, San Diego State

28. Pittsburgh Steelers: S Terrell Edmunds, Virginia Tech

29. Jacksonville Jaguars: DT Taven Bryan, Florida

30. Minnesota Vikings: CB Mike Hughes, UCF

31. New England Patriots: RB Sony Michel, Georgia

32. Baltimore Ravens: QB Lamar Jackson, Louisville

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27 minutes ago, 1989Fan said:

Yep, you’re generally rebuilding until you find a franchise QB...4 perfect examples of that.

Not necessarily. You have a Ravens, Chiefs and Vikings winning consistently with out good or elite franchise QB. They all had good teams though. Saints are 8-1 with out Brees in last two seasons.

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2 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Not necessarily. You have a Ravens, Chiefs and Vikings winning consistently with out good or elite franchise QB. They all had good teams though. Saints are 8-1 with out Brees in last two seasons.

How those Ravens and Steeler teams kept consistant dominant defenses over the years leaves me pretty jealous tbh

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1 hour ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

Tell you what, if we examine the 2018 first round, it was good to most teams. For the most part there were a lot of hits.

Round 1

1. Cleveland Browns: QB Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma

2. New York Giants: RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State

3. New York Jets: QB Sam Darnold, USC

4. Cleveland Browns: CB Denzel Ward, Ohio State

5. Denver Broncos: DE Bradley Chubb, NC State

6. Indianapolis Colts: OG Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame

7. Buffalo Bills: QB Josh Allen, Wyoming

8. Chicago Bears: LB Roquan Smith, Georgia

9. San Francisco 49ers: OT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame

10. Arizona Cardinals: QB Josh Rosen, UCLA

11. Miami Dolphins: DB Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama

12. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DT Vita Vea, Washington

13. Washington: DT Da’Ron Payne, Alabama

14. New Orleans Saints: DE Marcus Davenport, UTSA

15. Oakland Raiders: OT Kolton Miller, UCLA

16. Buffalo Bills: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech

17. Los Angeles Chargers: DB Derwin James, Florida State

18. Green Bay Packers: CB Jaire Alexander, Louisville

19. Dallas Cowboys: LB Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State

20. Detroit Lions: C Frank Ragnow, Arkansas

21. Cincinnati Bengals: C Billy Price, Ohio State

22. Tennessee Titans: LB Rashaan Evans, Alabama

23. New England Patriots: OT Isaiah Wynn, Georgia

24. Carolina Panthers: WR D.J. Moore, Maryland

25. Baltimore Ravens: TE Hayden Hurst, South Carolina

26. Atlanta Falcons: WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama

27. Seattle Seahawks: RB Rashaad Penny, San Diego State

28. Pittsburgh Steelers: S Terrell Edmunds, Virginia Tech

29. Jacksonville Jaguars: DT Taven Bryan, Florida

30. Minnesota Vikings: CB Mike Hughes, UCF

31. New England Patriots: RB Sony Michel, Georgia

32. Baltimore Ravens: QB Lamar Jackson, Louisville

Taven Bryan was such a huge favorite in mock drafts for us and he has been complete dogwater. Thank the lord we did not draft him.

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6 hours ago, falcons007 said:

Not necessarily. You have a Ravens, Chiefs and Vikings winning consistently with out good or elite franchise QB. They all had good teams though. Saints are 8-1 with out Brees in last two seasons.

Maybe I'm missing something, but when have those teams won anything recently without good, as you said, quarterback play? 

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2 minutes ago, Power I said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but when have those teams won anything recently without good, as you said, quarterback play? 

Ravens outside of 2012 had mediocre QB play. Vikings went to Playoffs with backup level talent. Chiefs went to multiple playoffs with Alex smith. 

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7 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Ravens outside of 2012 had mediocre QB play. Vikings went to Playoffs with backup level talent. Chiefs went to multiple playoffs with Alex smith. 

I'm guessing without looking at any details, every time those teams have won 10 games they've passed for something like 3,500 yards with at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. That's good quarterback play to me. 

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6 minutes ago, Power I said:

I'm guessing without looking at any details, every time those teams have won 10 games they've passed for something like 3,500 yards with at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. That's good quarterback play to me. 

Lol. Have you seen Ravens QB play till 2012? They went to AFCG with out any good QB play in 2008. They didn’t have QB do anything to win games. Just make them game managers and don’t have to take risks. QB struggle when they have to take risks with no run game and defense. I will add Bears after they traded fro Khalil Mack to the list of good teams making playoffs. 

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45 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Lol. Have you seen Ravens QB play till 2012? They went to AFCG with out any good QB play in 2008. They didn’t have QB do anything to win games. Just make them game managers and don’t have to take risks. QB struggle when they have to take risks with no run game and defense. I will add Bears after they traded fro Khalil Mack to the list of good teams making playoffs. 

I said recently in my last post, I didn't realize we were talking 9-13 years ago. Let's go ahead and bring up the 2000 Ravens of 21 years ago while we're at it. 

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10 minutes ago, Power I said:

I said recently in my last post, I didn't realize we were talking 9-13 years ago. Let's go ahead and bring up the 2000 Ravens of 21 years ago while we're at it. 

Recently too. These guys are backup level QB. Just be a game manager risk free Football. 

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