Cowboys vs Atl draft

[Tim Mazetti]

41 minutes ago, jlrfalcon said:

unless we were obsessed with A.J. Terrell.

...He is a good pick, my friend. Unflappable...see the LSU game where the receiver caught a couple on him....Perfect passes....and he asked for more.

[Rings]

I like our draft but dallas got better value compared to most boards, but time will tell who got the better players and which ones make a better impact.  Dallas had less holes going into the draft from a roster stand point imo so they were able to do that easier, we filled four obvious holes with our first four picks.  Safety was also a need.  But of our six picks, only Davidson was a positive value for me, the rest were all early.

[takeitdown]

45 minutes ago, Monolith2001 said:

My opinion of course but: 

Terrell > Diggs

Davidson > Gallimore

Hennesy >  Biadasz

They got Ceedee Lamb but we already got Julio so no comparison.

I referenced this later, but I mostly agree, and hope that's the case.  But are they better enough to have given up a 1st round playmaker?  You could sub in Chaisson in the 1st (who I didn't like).  But the point is, they got similar players at the same positions 1 round later.  Is there a big enough difference that you'd give up a Lamb or Chaisson to have our set over their set?

[egoprime II]

32 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

I find the Cowboys drafting closer to my liking most seasons. Love that Dimi went hard on the defensive side but think the Panties smoked him.

I'm with you concerning Dallas vs Atl...

A team with a losing record should be able to find more help in the draft than the Falcons just did.  1st and fourth rounds were underwhelming.

I think we are seeing just how much Scott Pioli helped this team, he was definitely missed.

[egoprime II]

4 minutes ago, takeitdown said:

I referenced this later, but I mostly agree, and hope that's the case.  But are they better enough to have given up a 1st round playmaker?  You could sub in Chaisson in the 1st (who I didn't like).  But the point is, they got similar players at the same positions 1 round later.  Is there a big enough difference that you'd give up a Lamb or Chaisson to have our set over their set?

No there isn't enough difference, not at all.   Bad thing is....next year the Falcons will be looking for another WR and yet -another- CB.

Concerning Chaisson....did you know he is just 20 years old?  B-day is in July.  I thought we might take Chaisson to replace DeVondre Campbell.  Could have killed the need for LB AND a Pass Rusher with one stone, er draft pick.  But.... TD saw Terrell as a bigger need.   Go figure.

[Roanoke Falcon]

51 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said:

 

Teams valued Terrell more than Diggs obviously, which is why Diggs was passed over a couple of times and fell to the 2nd round.

So it's a good thing I was giving MY opinion, not the opinion of other team's GM's.

[Roanoke Falcon]

51 minutes ago, Fired Up said:

But I don't think any other CB in the draft including the two ahead of him share his skillset.

I don't know about that. I think any CB in this (or any other draft) has the capability of looking at their receiver REPEATEDLY torch them and dance into the end zone.

Charles Dimry 2.0, or as I've named him, "Victory Road", because he will be the opposing quarterback's road to victory.

[Pacific_Falcon]

34 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said:

 

Which is surprising since Jerry was alone with no one to stop him physically.

 

Maybe Jerry has started remembering to take his meds on time?

Maybe Castle Greyskull now has a brain supplement chamber or something.

[Fired Up]

1 minute ago, Roanoke Falcon said:

I don't know about that. I think any CB in this (or any other draft) has the capability of looking at their receiver REPEATEDLY torch them and dance into the end zone.

Charles Dimry 2.0, or as I've named him, "Victory Road", because he will be the opposing quarterback's road to victory.

If you're seriously so delusional to think 1 perfect ball, and a pushoff by the best WR in college football and the Heisman winner tossing the rock makes AJ a bad player you have absolutely no clue what's going on. 

[Wwfalconfan]

Who gives a @#$#&$ about what the cowgirls draft is compared to ours!!! I hate that team about as much as I hate the aints and I live in TX. 

[Dem Birds]

If you compare our picks at the same position, I think it's obvious we got the more talented players. The NFL teams basically said as much since each position we had in common we took a round earlier and other teams passed on the players they took. It ultimately remains to be seen who will end up better but as of today, I think we did better. They had a very good draft and Lamb is a great player, but at a position that did not need improvement. Them taking Lamb with Cooper and Gallup already on the roster isn't much better than us taking him with Julio and Calvin on the roster. BPA, maybe, but it didn't really make them much better in the short term. 

[Pacific_Falcon]

23 minutes ago, takeitdown said:

I referenced this later, but I mostly agree, and hope that's the case.  But are they better enough to have given up a 1st round playmaker?  You could sub in Chaisson in the 1st (who I didn't like).  But the point is, they got similar players at the same positions 1 round later.  Is there a big enough difference that you'd give up a Lamb or Chaisson to have our set over their set?

Just my .02, but if Philly really did try to get 16 for 21 and another pick, to me that would have been a no-brainer. This was a pretty deep CB class. I'm fine with the player @16 overall, but in terms of value I don't think it was the best move. But value never really seems to be part of TD's strategy.

[Falcons_Frenzy]

I hate the Cowboys. That said I did like their draft.

[Akod2017]

39 minutes ago, Faithful Falcon said:

Real talk bro. These cats are all in their feelings about players that they assume are better.

Real talk bro, turn on ESPN U and watch our new corner play. Warning though, it’s against one of the few teams that were not total trash on clemsons schedule.

[lemonhead829]

Cowboys. Falcons draft was a D. Last years draft was a C. This will be Quinn’a and TD’s last year.  

[Tribal Chief]

39 minutes ago, Rings said:

No, that got blown way out of proportion, was funny though.  I believe he was on the phone with coach and his agent or someone was trying to FaceTime on the other phone.  His girlfriend was trying to be nice and answer it to tell them to hold on but he took it back basically saying “I got this” and took the call shortly after the video we saw ended.  She posted on twitter after what happened and it wasn’t a big deal.

It looked bad for her on tv and the comments she received were plain awful. People actually went out of there way to find her on IG saying how she had all those pics of both and he had none of her. And that he’s gonna leave her and yadda yadda. It was funny but she didn’t deserve all that 

[Falcons_Frenzy]

This definitely will be worth looking back on in 2/3 years to compare. For now I would have to say all those players are very comparable and I would say it's close. The problem is those players likely have different outcomes in Atlanta than they will in Dallas. Scheme fit is important too. 

[HASHBROWN3]

41 minutes ago, Rings said:

No, that got blown way out of proportion, was funny though.  I believe he was on the phone with coach and his agent or someone was trying to FaceTime on the other phone.  His girlfriend was trying to be nice and answer it to tell them to hold on but he took it back basically saying “I got this” and took the call shortly after the video we saw ended.  She posted on twitter after what happened and it wasn’t a big deal.

Say again?  Explain what happened?  
What is an Ike Turner reference supposed to mean?  

[Akod2017]

1 hour ago, Fired Up said:

Have you not read/heard? Literally he was never gunna last past 19, maybe not even that far, our hands were tied if we wanted our pick of CB. 

Not saying AJ is the best, but he was the one ATL coveted most and didn't want to risk losing him over an extra mid round pick. 

You ever think the other GMs toss out bs info? Every year it’s the same story. 
 

I bet the decent GMs all have a good laugh at the expense of Dimitroff, Gettleman, Mayock, etc after the draft.

[Fired Up]

19 minutes ago, Akod2017 said:

You ever think the other GMs toss out bs info? Every year it’s the same story. 
 

I bet the decent GMs all have a good laugh at the expense of Dimitroff, Gettleman, Mayock, etc after the draft.

Kinda like I'm getting a good laugh at a know it all who knows nothing right now? 

[PokerSteve]

1 hour ago, NOVAFalconFan said:

Didn’t Lamb already almost go Ike Turner on draft night live tv?  

Somebody got a link? Sounds interesting!

[ZoneOne01]

Dallas killed it. 

[takeitdown]

1 hour ago, Fired Up said:

Have you not read/heard? Literally he was never gunna last past 19, maybe not even that far, our hands were tied if we wanted our pick of CB. 

Not saying AJ is the best, but he was the one ATL coveted most and didn't want to risk losing him over an extra mid round pick. 

Yeah, that sort of ends up being the point.  Is getting "your guy" in a similar field of talent worth giving up value.  In this term it's very real value...they got similar players not even including their first rounder.  So it's equivalent to us giving up our first rounder.

Now, if our 3 guys at those 3 positions end up way better than theirs, great.  If not, it's  a great example of the cost of falling in love with "your guy" over value.

[Fired Up]

Just now, takeitdown said:

Yeah, that sort of ends up being the point.  Is getting "your guy" in a similar field of talent worth giving up value.  In this term it's very real value...they got similar players not even including their first rounder.  So it's equivalent to us giving up our first rounder.

Now, if our 3 guys at those 3 positions end up way better than theirs, great.  If not, it's  a great example of the cost of falling in love with "your guy" over value.

The draft is a crap shoot, value at the end of the day is in the eye of the beholder. We like as people who follow the draft to think the draft picks hold some intangible value. Trying to compare players on a different team under a different staff and a different system has no correlation to what our team does and what our draft picks do. 

[takeitdown]

2 hours ago, Monolith2001 said:

My opinion of course but: 

Terrell > Diggs

Davidson > Gallimore

Hennesy >  Biadasz

They got Ceedee Lamb but we already got Julio so no comparison.

Well, we would have Lamb in addition to Julio.  And 3rd receiver is a starter in this league.

But you could sub Chaisson for Lamb.

Point is, in a deep CB, DT, OG class...did we get value?  If all 3 of those players end up being better than all of their 3, then maybe.  If they're a lot better, then definitely.  If they're similar, then obviously it wasn't worth giving up the 1st in value.