Ovie_Lover Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, slider said: Deacon Jones 270. 6 minutes ago, slider said: Bruce Smith. 280. 8 minutes ago, slider said: Reggie White played both 4-3 and 3-4 DE at 290lb's. He rag dolled opponents in both schemes. Old. Different game than now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said: That's cool but a 290lbs DE isnt catching Wilson Mahomes Jackson Rodgers Etc To sack him. The game changed for a reason. Don't need to catch him. Hold the lane and contain him. The way to defeat a mobile QB is to not break under or out. Either way you'll let him slip out. Hold the point and drive the OT back. You can't do that at 250. Think back to Vick. He ate those guys that tried to catch him's lunch. If you slow rushed and pinned him in, he freaked and couldn't use that mobility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, slider said: Closer, not necessarily the same. Claude Humphrey was a beast at 255 for the Falcons but he was still 20lb's lighter than most OT's in the league. 20lb's lighter today equates more to about 280. Jeff Merrow on the other side was 236. That would equate to about 260 today. Yeah I can see your point. I just think most of your good DE’s are in the 255-265 range kiwifalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Strahan 255 Bruce Smith was 262 not 280 Richard Dent 265 Jack Youngblood 247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, slider said: Reggie White played both 4-3 and 3-4 DE at 290lb's. He rag dolled opponents in both schemes. Yeah but Reggie was a different beast compared to guys now. He played DT too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, slider said: Don't need to catch him. Hold the lane and contain him. The way to defeat a mobile QB is to not break under or out. Either way you'll let him slip out. Hold the point and drive the OT back. You can't do that at 250. Think back to Vick. He ate those guys that tried to catch him's lunch. If you slow rushed and pinned him in, he freaked and couldn't use that mobility. Dont use Vick as an example to contain Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson LOLOLOLOLOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Ovie_Lover said: Strahan 255 Bruce Smith was 262 not 280 Richard Dent 265 Jack Youngblood 247 Wikipedia has Smith at 280 which is what I went by and watching him, I believe it, he was massive in comparison to the DE's today. Jack Youngblood was 247 in comparison to 275lb OT's, that equates to about 280+ in today's world. Richard Dent at 265 is large for today's world much less 1985. He was a beast. Kind of making my point here. Now if you'd said Jack Youngblood 225lb's, that would be about like today's 255. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Ovie_Lover said: Dont use Vick as an example to contain Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson LOLOLOLOLOL Containing a mobile QB is the same no matter who it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, slider said: Containing a mobile QB is the same no matter who it is. Well that was just dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, slider said: Wikipedia has Smith at 280 which is what I went by and watching him, I believe it, he was massive in comparison to the DE's today. Jack Youngblood was 247 in comparison to 275lb OT's, that equates to about 280+ in today's world. Richard Dent at 265 is large for today's world much less 1985. He was a beast. Kind of making my point here. Now if you'd said Jack Youngblood 225lb's, that would be about like today's 255. So why are DEs having sucess in the 250's while you list guys at 280 and point to them and say see! See! We could even talk about the OLBs in the 240s and such because they face the same tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Any particular reason you think a proven technique of hemming in a mobile quarterback is just dumb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Ovie_Lover said: So why are DEs having sucess in the 250's while you list guys at 280 and point to them and say see! See! We could even talk about the OLBs in the 240s and such because they face the same tackles. Anyone that's ever played outside LB knows this ain't the case. Playing standing up with a 5yd buffer is an entirely different situation. Not to mention the OT has his hands full with the line schemes that are designed to take his attention away from a blitzing OLB. The DE with his hand in the dirt doesn't have those benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, slider said: Any particular reason you think a proven technique of hemming in a mobile quarterback is just dumb? Saying "this one thing works on every single QB" is dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, slider said: Anyone that's ever played outside LB knows this ain't the case. Playing standing up with a 5yd buffer is an entirely different situation. Not to mention the OT has his hands full with the line schemes that are designed to take his attention away from a blitzing OLB. The DE with his hand in the dirt doesn't have those benefits. Yes because that tackle has no idea the OLB is coming. If they're in nickel they're playing DE. They just stand up sometimes vs hand in the dirt. Tackle still knows they're coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Ovie_Lover said: Yes because that tackle has no idea the OLB is coming. If they're in nickel they're playing DE. They just stand up sometimes vs hand in the dirt. Tackle still knows they're coming. No...no he doesn't. You tell me, which one is coming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthursMoustache Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, KCFalcon22 said: I like Jonathan Greenard in the 3rd if we still have one lol 6'3 263 Greenard will be gone late 2nd. Serious motor and will be someones steal!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Get better will do fine thanks. Bigger doesn’t necessarily make you better. Ovie_Lover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 The reason 54 slides weak is to put the OT in a quandry and has the side benefit of forcing the RB to that side. The OLB here likely has flat responsibility although I can't see the safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said: Get better will do fine thanks. Bigger doesn’t necessarily make you better. No but it allows you to not have to be a world class athlete to hold your own against big OT's. I think the constant search for the next superhuman DE is folly. Just get some good football players and don't force them to overcome huge size differentials to get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, slider said: No but it allows you to not have to be a world class athlete to hold your own against big OT's. I think the constant search for the next superhuman DE is folly. Just get some good football players and don't force them to overcome huge size differentials to get the job done. Horses for course for me. I mean I’ll take the fight in the dog and the guy whose smaller who plays with a chip on his shoulder for me all day over some guy whose just big. Ovie_Lover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said: Horses for course for me. I mean I’ll take the fight in the dog and the guy whose smaller who plays with a chip on his shoulder for me all day over some guy whose just big. The small guys ain't working for the Falcons. I'm kinda sick of seeing this train wreck. Try something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCFalcon22 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, ArthursMoustache said: Greenard will be gone late 2nd. Serious motor and will be someones steal!!! I think he goes late 2nd or if he doesn't I bet he goes within 5 picks of our 3rd round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, slider said: The small guys ain't working for the Falcons. I'm kinda sick of seeing this train wreck. Try something different. So have you written Fowler off already then? Ovie_Lover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, kiwifalcon said: So have you written Fowler off already then? No , don't get me wrong, I'm not judging something that hasn't happened yet. If he works out great, it's just been an observation of mine that having watched the game since Y.A. Tittle was lacing them up, the trend of getting smaller on the outside may have run it's course. The game changes constantly and I think it needs to go back more in the larger, stronger category for edge guys. kiwifalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGABOZ Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 so get slower also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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