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I posted this in another thread but since it's a pet peeve of mine  and a topic that might be good to discuss while waiting for the draft to begin I started a new topic.

IN 1977 The Falcons had what could be called the most dominant defense in NFL history. During this time period the size of defensive lineman relative to offensive lineman was very close to the same. I'll use the Falcons O-lineman as a reference here but even the biggest o-lines (Redskins) were in the 280's.

1977 Atlanta Falcons Offensive Line:

LT Brent Adams - 6'5 256

LG Dave Scott - 6'4 276

C Jeff Van Note - 6'2 247

RG R.C. Thielman - 6'4 255

RT Warren Bryant - 6'6 273

1977 Atlanta Falcons Defensive Line:

LDE: Claude Humphrey - 6'4 252

LDT: Jim Bailey - 6'4 253

RDT Mike Lewis - 6'4 261

RDE Jeff Merrow - 6'4 236

I couldn't imagine a 200 pounder playing on the defensive line but in order to replicate the current day differential in weights between the lineman that's what would've been playing DE back then.

I think it's time to get back to some bigger DE's. The DT's have stayed relatively large but the DE's have gone way too small in my opinion.

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10 minutes ago, slider said:

NFL.com has him listed at 6'3 255.

As does the team's site, ESPN, Rotoworld, CBS Sports, Pro Football Reference & basically any other site worth mentioning (even wikipedia)

He was 261 at the combine in 2015.

Yet, for some reason, when you do a Google search for him, the information box on the right says he weighs 267. I'm assuming that's why the dude earlier said he was in the 265-270 range. :shrug:

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1 minute ago, k-train said:

As does the team's site, ESPN, Rotoworld, CBS Sports, Pro Football Reference & basically any other site worth mentioning (even wikipedia)

He was 261 at the combine in 2015.

Yet, for some reason, when you do a Google search for him, the information box on the right says he weighs 267. I'm assuming that's why the dude said he was 265-270. :shrug:

OK, maybe he blowed up like lots of us with age. That weight will come in handy I think. 60lb weight differentials on the outside are just ridiculous I think.

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2 minutes ago, youngbloodz said:

That’s the way it is. Teams want DE’s athletic. Only in 3-4 will you see bigger DE’s. You aren’t going to see DE’s around 300lbs on the average. Not happening 

Not looking for 300lb DE's. In today's world an athletic 270 pounder is no freak. It's common place actually. Every position has grown in average size with the exception of DE. I realize LB's are getting smaller but they're still around the same as 30+ years ago but a 250lb DE in today's world against 300+lb OT's are just one trick pony's.

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13 minutes ago, youngbloodz said:

That’s the way it is. Teams want DE’s athletic. Only in 3-4 will you see bigger DE’s. You aren’t going to see DE’s around 300lbs on the average. Not happening 

Yep. If you take a look a list showing the size of every DE in this class, other than Epenesa & Strowbridge (and like 3 or 4 dudes who won't even be drafted) nearly everyone else is in the 250-265 range.

http://draftcountdown.com/2020-nfl-draft-rankings/2020-defensive-end-rankings/

You can see their weight listed here.

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Just now, slider said:

Not looking for 300lb DE's. In today's world an athletic 270 pounder is no freak. It's common place actually. Every position has grown in average size with the exception of DE. I realize LB's are getting smaller but they're still around the same as 30+ years ago but a 250lb DE in today's world against 300+lb OT's are just one trick pony's.

I thought you wanted the DE weight closer to the OT weight. My bad

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1 minute ago, k-train said:

Yeo. If you take a look a list showing the size of every DE in this class, other than Epenesa & Strowbridge (and like 3 or 4 dudes who won't even be drafted) nearly everyone else is in the 250-265 range.

True. I would suspect most of your good 4-3 DE’s are around the weight range you listed

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Just now, youngbloodz said:

I thought you wanted the DE weight closer to the OT weight. My bad

Closer, not necessarily the same. Claude Humphrey was a beast at 255 for the Falcons but he was still 20lb's lighter than most OT's in the league. 20lb's lighter today equates more to about 280. Jeff Merrow on the other side was 236. That would equate to about 260 today.

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7 minutes ago, k-train said:

Yeo. If you take a look a list showing the size of every DE in this class, other than Epenesa & Strowbridge (and like 3 or 4 dudes who won't even be drafted) nearly everyone else is in the 250-265 range.

That's kinda my point. The league has gone with the smaller DE's for a while now and you have to find world class guys at that size to beat athletic OT's that are 60+ lb's heavier. Those guys are as easy to find as a franchise QB. Why not reverse that trend and go back toward what has worked in the past. I realize it's a different league and passing league ....blah blah blah, I guarantee you the bigger DE's would work well in today's league. It just rags my a@@ to see DE's get tossed around like rag dolls.

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11 minutes ago, slider said:

Closer, not necessarily the same. Claude Humphrey was a beast at 255 for the Falcons but he was still 20lb's lighter than most OT's in the league. 20lb's lighter today equates more to about 280. Jeff Merrow on the other side was 236. That would equate to about 260 today.

Danielle Hunter 250

DLaw 251

Brian Burns 252 I think it was. 

Ngakoue is 246

Size isnt as big of a deal for pass rushing 

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9 minutes ago, slider said:

That's kinda my point. The league has gone with the smaller DE's for a while now and you have to find world class guys at that size to beat athletic OT's that are 60+ lb's heavier. Those guys are as easy to find as a franchise QB. Why not reverse that trend and go back toward what has worked in the past. I realize it's a different league and passing league ....blah blah blah, I guarantee you the bigger DE's would work well in today's league. It just rags my a@@ to see DE's get tossed around like rag dolls.

That's cool but a 290lbs DE isnt catching

Wilson

Mahomes

Jackson 

Rodgers

Etc

To sack him. The game changed for a reason.

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37 minutes ago, k-train said:

As does the team's site, ESPN, Rotoworld, CBS Sports, Pro Football Reference & basically any other site worth mentioning (even wikipedia)

He was 261 at the combine in 2015.

Yet, for some reason, when you do a Google search for him, the information box on the right says he weighs 267. I'm assuming that's why the dude earlier said he was in the 265-270 range. :shrug:

One thing for sure, Fowler is a hoss ...

he has to be 260 plus

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