blkbigdog35 11,309 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, derttyfalconfan said: if honesty is trolling , seen this too many times.. we get talent, we groom talent, they go win rings on other teams What groomed talent has left and went and won rings? Facts are usually required when we are speaking of honesty??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Spts1 6,879 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 8 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said: He is definitely the backup PF/C. This gives the Hawks a nice defensive trio with Collins, Capella & Okongwu. It’s clear we will target a pure shooter in FA. Rumor has it it’s Galinnari. A top 7 of Young, Galinnari, Reddish, Hunter, Collins, Capela and Okongwu is legit. Celtics got an absolute steal in Nesmith. Great move You beat me to this. I wanted Okongwu up in Boston. We need a banger in the middle like him, badly. Nesmith is a great pick because of his three level scoring ability. Toronto figured out that if you press our wings, you could shut down our offense. Nesmith will provide that three level scoring to break those types of presses along with Tatum and Brown. As far as the Hawks go, if yall get Galinnari, yes, thats a legit playoff team IF Okongwu and Capela come back from injury full strength. I wanna see Young play more off the ball OR shoot less. The Hawks have to get a offensive cohesion going so that their young players can continue to develop. If he does that, the Hawks are gonna be in good shape... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Francis 7,164 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I like the picks. Potentially solid depth and this team needs defense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beef 3,432 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I seriously doubt Mays makes the 15 unless he can walk into the extremely shortened camp and instantly bang 50% from 3 for the entire camp. The only other thing that might change that is we have a crazy amount of open positions at the end of the bench. Jones, Lab, Teague, Bembry, Carter, Brown, and Graham are all gone at this point. Maybe we bring back Graham, maybe Teague if he is open to coming back. The rest I'm not sure about. With the super short camp (season starting in 4 weeks?), it might be smart to bring back guys who already know our system rather than trying to bring in several new FA's who have to get up to speed in a matter of weeks. Either way it looks like we're going to be ridiculously heavy in FA. We have like $50-60M to spend still. I expect a large chunk of that will go towards a 3pt specialist guard, and then a well known veteran 1-4 (doesn't really matter who, but probably a backup wing or maybe PG), and then a few more defensive floor runners that are really just expiring contracts designed to eat up cap space for a year so we can have $$ to lock down JC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blkbigdog35 11,309 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 No reason to doubt TS on this pick! jayu70 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tl;dr 9,787 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 6 hours ago, blkbigdog35 said: What groomed talent has left and went and won rings? Facts are usually required when we are speaking of honesty??? I guess Dennis Schroder is who he is referring to? He thinks he will go off and win a ring? Maybe he's looking at Jason Terry and Pau Gasol who we drafted, but that was what, 20 years ago? Or maybe he's salty about the Luka trade still. Gonna be beating that dead horse from now until the end of time blkbigdog35 and jayu70 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,845 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Overall I'm glad it seems the Hawks stuck to their board and selected BPA. I don't know if John Collins is a keeper or a goner but the team hasn't won anything so no one's spot is safe. You have to keep acquiring talent. I'm also really glad they didn't trade the pick for established low ceiling veteran help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beef 3,432 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Summerhill said: but the team hasn't won anything so no one's spot is safe. Makes no sense in an understood complete rebuild to make this statement. It's just not accurate at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,845 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 46 minutes ago, Beef said: Makes no sense in an understood complete rebuild to make this statement. It's just not accurate at all. Not every player in a rebuild is a keeper. The 76ers didn't keep Nerlens Noel nor Jalil Okafor. Collins is obviously better than both them, but he's in line for a significant raise and might not be worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beef 3,432 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Summerhill said: Not every player in a rebuild is a keeper. The 76ers didn't keep Nerlens Noel nor Jalil Okafor. Collins is obviously better than both them, but he's in line for a significant raise and might not be worth it. Right, because 22/10 guys in their 3rd year, who have displayed marked improvement year over year just grow on trees. Probably will end up a 24/12 guy this year, too, per his trajectory. And, he just happens to be the absolute perfect fit with what Trae and the rest of our system does... and in a shortened practice camp only 4 weeks before the season starts. And I guess TS is lying when he says one of their top priorities is locking down JC and they have no intention of breaking up this core? Dude just use your head and some logic, is all I'm saying. TS doesn't mince words and play subterfuge games to troll fans and the media. He's only ever said something and then done what he said. No reason to start acting like that's suddenly changed. Edited November 19, 2020 by Beef Macknsweetjones and jayu70 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jayu70 2,010 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just leaving this here for those who think we are trading Collins, much less for Hayward 🤣 Also, according to sources, Okongwu’s selection does not impact Collins’ future in any way, and Collins’ value to the franchise hasn’t changed. Both sides are interested in getting a deal done, but it’s still to be determined if they’ll be able to agree on financials before the start of the season. It should be noted that while there’s some belief that Okongwu could end up playing some minutes at the four, that won’t happen immediately. blkbigdog35 and TheTrue7 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.11 8,355 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I didn't think it would. The Hawks needed the depth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
g-dawg 43,463 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 what do you think? Starters: PG - Trae Young SG - Kevin Huerter SF - Danilo Gallinari PF - John Collins C - Clint Capela (defense) Bench: SF/SG - SuperSub - Cam Reddish (defense) PG - Rajon Rondo (predicted signing) (better defender than Trae) SF - DeAndre Hunter (defense) C - Onyeka Okonwu (defense) another signing - need one more scorer off the bench We now have at least 4 good defenders and Gallinari isn't a liability on defense. Bench is starting to look much better as well. Need another Shooting Guard. I know we have Skylar Mays but who knows if he will translate at next level. We can mix & match offense w/ defense now to hopefully at least be an average defensive team. What say you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beef 3,432 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) I think with the get of Gallo & Kris Dunn, the BB/Rondo deal is likely out. If Dunn can stay healthy, I’m much happier with what we got. 1/PG: Trae , Dunn, Goodwin 2/SG/Wing: Huerter, Reddish, Snell, Hunter 3/F/Wing: Gallinari, Hunter, Snell, Reddish 4/PF: Collins, Gallinari, Okongwu 5/C: Capela, Collins, Fernando, Okongwu Thats likely the starting 5, and then you can see who might combo where and what some of our packages might be. The depth looks stellar and the defense should have significant improvement. Not only because of the additions, but because of natural improvement of our young players. Edited November 21, 2020 by Beef TheTrue7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GEORGIAfan 18,731 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 IMO, Gallo is the backup. We basically overpaid him to come be a backup. Who else is paying 20mil a year for a 32yr old shooter that is a defensive liability to start. PG: Trae / Dunn / Goodwin SG: Huerter / Reddish / Mays SF: Hunter / Reddish / Snell PF: Collins / Gallo. / Fernando C : Capela / Okongwu / Reddish will eventually take the starting SG, which gives each group a nice mix of shooting and defense. We have an All D lineup of Dunn/ Reddish/Hunter/Okongwu/Capela. An All O lineup of Trae/Huerter/Reddish/Gallo/Collins. We still have 26 mil in cap space. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beef 3,432 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said: IMO, Gallo is the backup. We basically overpaid him to come be a backup. Who else is paying 20mil a year for a 32yr old shooter that is a defensive liability to start. PG: Trae / Dunn / Goodwin SG: Huerter / Reddish / Mays SF: Hunter / Reddish / Snell PF: Collins / Gallo. / Fernando C : Capela / Okongwu / Reddish will eventually take the starting SG, which gives each group a nice mix of shooting and defense. We have an All D lineup of Dunn/ Reddish/Hunter/Okongwu/Capela. An All O lineup of Trae/Huerter/Reddish/Gallo/Collins. We still have 26 mil in cap space. A guy with ~5 OWS and ~2 DWS that plays almost exclusively on the wing and outside the paint is a backup 4 with poor defense? Whatevs. SMH 🤦🏼♂️ FalconFanSince1970 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
g-dawg 43,463 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Beef said: A guy with ~5 OWS and ~2 DWS that plays almost exclusively on the wing and outside the paint is a backup 4 with poor defense? Whatevs. SMH 🤦🏼♂️ agree w/ your sarcasm. Gallo ain't a back-up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GEORGIAfan 18,731 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Beef said: A guy with ~5 OWS and ~2 DWS that plays almost exclusively on the wing and outside the paint is a backup 4 with poor defense? Whatevs. SMH 🤦🏼♂️ They won more games, so of course his OWS and DWS are going to be higher than our guys. We are building for the future around our young core. He is the backup. He is 32. He isn't our future. He had one of the worse Defensive ratings on the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tl;dr 9,787 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Lets have Reddish start over Huerter. Trae/Huerter is a rough defensive starting backcourt lol FalconFanSince1970 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
therawest 429 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Huerter is not that bad on defense. His team defense is what sets him apart. He is good at it. He is still improving with his individual defense. But like I said before, it is nearly impossible for anyone in todays nba to play good individual defense. The referees won’t allow it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
therawest 429 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Schlenk definitely went best player available for both draft selections. It is apparent we are trying to compete now. Okungwu will be Capella's replacement when his contract is up too when have to pay Trae. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1970 24,761 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 9 hours ago, g-dawg said: what do you think? Starters: PG - Trae Young SG - Kevin Huerter SF - Danilo Gallinari PF - John Collins C - Clint Capela (defense) Bench: SF/SG - SuperSub - Cam Reddish (defense) PG - Rajon Rondo (predicted signing) (better defender than Trae) SF - DeAndre Hunter (defense) C - Onyeka Okonwu (defense) another signing - need one more scorer off the bench We now have at least 4 good defenders and Gallinari isn't a liability on defense. Bench is starting to look much better as well. Need another Shooting Guard. I know we have Skylar Mays but who knows if he will translate at next level. We can mix & match offense w/ defense now to hopefully at least be an average defensive team. What say you? Put Cam over Huerter and you got something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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