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7 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

You’re literally arguing against the very system that exists in your own country and against people who are saying they would happily pay more taxes in exchange for tuition free college.

Sounds to me like you’re just trolling.

I am trolling a bit, that is a given. But financially, I and most Germans with a college degree would be better off financially in the US system than in Germany after 20 years of work. And it is not even close. Essentially after considering all taxes, the high VAT and energy prices I would get 2 dollars in the Us for every euro I make in Germany.

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7 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said:

Yeah it’s called a state lottery.  If you choose to play it you’re subsidizing that scholarship.   

Fantastic. So we've established now that you have no problem with public monies to subsidize education. It's just a matter of the funding source. Glad we got that clarified. 

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13 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said:

Why can’t THEY sacrifice to elevate themselves?? 
 

And no YOU think EVERYONE ELSE should pay for someone else’s things because those people lack the drive to put in the effort to invest in themselves.  

As I stated, there are many means of paying for your secondary education.  **** in Georgia alone you can get your tuition paid for with a B average in HS.  I came from pretty humble beginnings and I did it and now have a successful career as an engineer. 
 

 

So your argument against tuition free college is that there are already ways to get tuition free college.  

Huh.

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4 minutes ago, The Monarch said:

I think we should all help pay for the betterment of society, which works towards all of our benefit. And I think we especially should do so because the modern economic situation has put people in essentially unescapable positions. The idea that, under current conditions, everyone can simply work a little bit harder and achieve real “success,” is a myth, based on an idealized notion of this country that hasn’t existed for quite some time.

 Ok, I get your sentiment and it seems pure in nature. If we ALL become PHD doctors , lawyers, or techs of some kind. WHO will pick up the garbage or cook fries and burgers. There are 1000's of menial jobs to be manned. Not all have the will or the want to be the best they can be; simple fact but true. We can all look about us and see those that want a doobie and some Boones. If we want this utopia of everyone has the same, then China would welcome us into their fold. If any of China's "citizens" COULD tell you, it wouldn't fit your "dreams" for your society 

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9 minutes ago, The Monarch said:

I think we should all help pay for the betterment of society, which works towards all of our benefit. And I think we especially should do so because the modern economic situation has put people in essentially unescapable positions. The idea that, under current conditions, everyone can simply work a little bit harder and achieve real “success,” is a myth, based on an idealized notion of this country that hasn’t existed for quite some time.

 There are other means than having the government (AKA the American people) foot the bill.  We already have a tremendous amount of debt and are overtaxed.  
 

Why not legalize marijuana nationwide? Tax the **** out of it to pay for a college fund.  More state should open casinos. Taxes proceeds to high heaven and supplement it that way.  Just because you want to fund other people education doesn’t mean we all do.

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Just now, Godzilla1985 said:

 There are other means than having the government (AKA the American people) foot the bill.  We already have a tremendous amount of debt and are overtaxed.  
 

Why not legalize marijuana nationwide? Tax the **** out of it to pay for a college fund.  More state should open casinos. Taxes proceeds to high heaven and supplement it that way.  Just because you want to fund other people education doesn’t mean we all do.

Hey I think you're onto something here!

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7 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

The people who benefit from a free education would end up paying that money back in the form of taxes when they get good jobs after they graduate.  

We don’t have to speculate on how this works.  Germany has been doing it successfully for decades.  

Germany benefits much more from the apprenticeship system than from free college education. People going through the appreticeship path are the backbone of Germany, you would be surprised how many US college degrees they replace. Germany also has about the lowest percentage of people with college degree in all of the western world.

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2 minutes ago, Charles Wright said:

 Ok, I get your sentiment and it seems pure in nature. If we ALL become PHD doctors , lawyers, or techs of some kind. WHO will pick up the garbage or cook fries and burgers. There are 1000's of menial jobs to be manned. Not all have the will or the want to be the best they can be; simple fact but true. We can all look about us and see those that want a doobie and some Boones. If we want this utopia of everyone has the same, then China would welcome us into their fold. If any of China's "citizens" COULD tell you, it wouldn't fit your "dreams" for your society 

I also think we should pay all of those jobs a livable wage. Like, genuinely livable, with enough for basics and enough to take some enjoyment in this hellworld where people have to spend so much of their waking hours doing that work. Probably not the road you want to go down with me.

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33 minutes ago, Godzilla1985 said:

Yes. It’s called sacrifice.  Noticed you failed to mention ANYTHING else I said in my post.  You have NO leg to stand on.  I’m sorry you have so little motivation to elevate yourself in life and want to whine, cry and pout like the overgrown child demanding others take care of you.

I think it's funny that that's what you assume about Boner or most of the folks down here. Most posters down here are highly educated folks who have done quite well for themselves. Folks who did work their ***** off and saw a fault in the system and want to correct it.

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16 minutes ago, Herr Beast said:

I am trolling a bit, that is a given. But financially, I and most Germans with a college degree would be better off financially in the US system than in Germany after 20 years of work. And it is not even close. Essentially after considering all taxes, the high VAT and energy prices I would get 2 dollars in the Us for every euro I make in Germany.

You’re a white guy from Europe, Trump will let you come live here if you want to that badly. 

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13 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

So your argument against tuition free college is that there are already ways to get tuition free college.  

Huh.

Exactly.  So why do we need the US tax payer to fork over the bill to pay for someone’s education?  
 

The means are already there.  Countless scholarships, state lotteries, etc. low interest loans even after that.  People need to take the initiative to do these things not expect it from others who did it themselves in the past.

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College academic education and degrees

Some of you all are stuck in the 50s and 60s with your arguments.

It is the same when discussing why people transitioning into adulthood stay home longer nowadays than in past decades. 

The cost of everything keeps going up while wages either remain stagnant or creep up slightly. The wages in the job market reset every time there is a recession, too. It's prime time to bring in new people at lower wages than before.

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Just now, The Monarch said:

I also think we should pay all of those jobs a livable wage. Like, genuinely livable, with enough for basics and enough to take some enjoyment in this hellworld where people have to spend so much of their waking hours doing that work. Probably not the road you want to go down with me.

 Ok, we're speaking hypotheticals here. So said garbage man gets $25 per hour, enough? maybe? So then he only shows up for work 3 out of 5 days. We have enough welfare recipients as it is. As a country we can't afford to give until everybody is fat and sassy. Our debt of 20 something TRILLION dollars will break this country down. I used China before, we can go that road easily. Housing will be provided and food but free thought and the ability to express it as we are doing here, forget it!

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5 minutes ago, Jdrizzle said:

I think it's funny that that's what you assume about Boner or most of the folks down here. Most posters down here are highly educated folks who have done quite well for themselves. Folks who did work their ***** off and saw a fault in the system and want to correct it.

There is no fault in the system. It’s a false narrative that they are more than happy to perpetuate.  That is my point. The means are there as I have show through my own life experience.  
 

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1 hour ago, Herr Beast said:

The US should rather concentrate to establish a working apprenticeship system like many European countries have. It would make many useless degrees in the US redundant.

But that would mean being an apprentice for some three years and I already see people here calling that „slave labor“. That it ultimately often results in better paid job than what you get from a generic college degree is often ignored.

I went to tech school and enrolled in an apprenticeship program. 

What are do you mean by 'generic college degree'?

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16 minutes ago, Carter said:

I love when people's entire perspective on national politics is guided singularly by their own personal experience. Totally worthwhile conversations.

Don’t know if it’s true of these dudes, but it’s been my experience that a ton of the “you have to EARN it like me” guys actually had a ton of help along the way.

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Just now, Mr. Hoopah! said:

You’re a white guy from Europe, Trump will let you come live here if you want to that badly. 

No I couldn‘t live without being surrounded by other Germans for a long extended period of time, we are strange people like that... often travel 5000 miles to exotic vacation places only to hang around with other German tourists :D

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13 minutes ago, Herr Beast said:

Germany benefits much more from the apprenticeship system than from free college education. People going through the appreticeship path are the backbone of Germany, you would be surprised how many US college degrees they replace. Germany also has about the lowest percentage of people with college degree in all of the western world.

Speaking of apprenticeships, there are a ton of trade unions around the US that offer well paying apprenticeship programs.  You get paid and you learn a valuable trade.  I’ve been in the building, construction and data center industry for over 20 years.  Union electricians, mechanics, painters, etc. make incredible money.  On top of that they receive a handsome pension when they retire.  

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Just now, Godzilla1985 said:

Appealing of apprenticeships, there are a ton of trade unions around the US that offer well paying apprenticeship programs.  You get paid and you learn a valuable trade.  I’ve been in the building, construction and data center industry for over 20 years.  Union electricians, mechanics, painters, etc. make incredible money.  On top of that they receive a handsome pension when they retire.  

 AND they work for it!

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