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53 minutes ago, PokerSteve said:

The virus has been public knowledge since late January. If it spreads like wildfire, why aren't all the hospitals overwhelmed already? Why aren't there 2 or 3 million cases of Covid 19 and 80,000 deaths in the US after two months of "poor leadership" instead of the actual 160,000 confirmed cases and 3,000 deaths?

 

We have heathcare workers from Atlanta flying up to NYC. After he thought it was ridiculous the virus ould hsve been here in Novemeber and I just owned him, now he suggests all the hospitals are overwhelmed.  He is told what to believe, he is not informed, he is indoctrinated. I have zero patience with these type of posters that know absolutely nothing but what someone else told them on MSNBC.

 

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8165963/Photo-health-care-workers-flying-help-NY-gets-love.html?fbclid=IwAR1TW3wNsnFIYCFT7xuu3olXjhJELbkvI6mOy7dOMzm_dQfWcAOceos-WUU

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4 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

Is that why everyone horded toilet paper and food? Because they weren't worried about this being a serious situation? Ever since the first case of this was officially confirmed in the US the media has been pushing a "we're all gonna die and it's all Trump's fault" narrative.

It doesn't take much for our efficient supply chains to go under.  All it takes is each person buying 1 pack of toilet paper and 1 sanitizer wipe next time they go to the store.

Generally speaking, the people who don't listen to the President and listen to scientists have been more concerned, while the ones who listened to the president thought it was like a flu.  If you think hearing from the President that things are fine and not worse than a flu doesn't encourage people to minimize the thing, I have no idea what to tell you.

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7 minutes ago, gazoo said:

We have heathcare workers from Atlanta flying up to NYC. After he thought it was ridiculous the virus ould hsve been here in Novemeber and I just owned him, now he suggests all the hospitals are overwhelmed.  He is told what to believe, he is not informed, he is indoctrinated. I have zero patience with these type of posters that know absolutely nothing but what someone else told them on MSNBC.

 

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8165963/Photo-health-care-workers-flying-help-NY-gets-love.html?fbclid=IwAR1TW3wNsnFIYCFT7xuu3olXjhJELbkvI6mOy7dOMzm_dQfWcAOceos-WUU

Nobody got owned you dip **** watch your language. Human slavery is outlawed in this country.

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1 minute ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

Someone on my street died from it. So yeah... it's not overblown or a hoax.

I've got a friend who kept working at a pharmacy because he wanted to help people during a crisis. He's on day nine of waiting for his test result, although it's a formality. Multiple doctors have told him that he has it. Thankfully, his situation is fine, but it really hit home for me that he did a good deed and got mightily punished. I went ahead and sent him his Christmas present for this year because I couldn't think of anything else to do.

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1 minute ago, jidady said:

I've got a friend who kept working at a pharmacy because he wanted to help people during a crisis. He's on day nine of waiting for his test result, although it's a formality. Multiple doctors have told him that he has it. Thankfully, his situation is fine, but it really hit home for me that he did a good deed and got mightily punished. I went ahead and sent him his Christmas present for this year because I couldn't think of anything else to do.

I had it second week of December. 

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shhhhhhhhhheeee,

 

we arent allowed to talk about the fed predicting 43 million Americans will be jobless after the next round of shutdowns leading to a 32% unemployment rate because it means we think the virus isnt serious, or something 

#shutitdownforaslongaspossible

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-job-losses-could-total-47-million-unemployment-rate-of-32percent-fed-says.html

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2 minutes ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

You wish so hard that you did so that you can add it to your list of "Alphachievements"

But the fact is, you're a paper tiger.

but pushing for the longest possible shutdown of the economy is not politial to you......ok

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28 minutes ago, gazoo said:

shhhhhhhhhheeee,

 

we arent allowed to talk about the fed predicting 43 million Americans will be jobless after the next round of shutdowns leading to a 32% unemployment rate because it means we think the virus isnt serious, or something 

#shutitdownforaslongaspossible

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-job-losses-could-total-47-million-unemployment-rate-of-32percent-fed-says.html

All this "the economy" **** could be avoided if money wasn't being siphoned to the wrong places. And it's sad that people (not saying you) will see a complaint like this and scream about socialism when it's moreso addressed to the war profiteers and CEOs really running this country.

43 minutes ago, jidady said:

That's exactly right. Our best-case scenario is a Y2K situation, only with a frustrating body count. To a lot of people, as long as they don't any of the dead, they'll evaluate the situation as overblown. And THAT is the desired outcome here. If even the cynics are saying, "That was horrible," well, people can fill in the blanks about the illness and death numbers and how it impacts them personally.

Crazy how fast things change. One month ago this was nothing. 15 people, soon to be zero. It was gonna disappear someday soon, "like a miracle."

Yep, the government did everything they could. That's why we'll be tops in the globe over every other country in terms of cases and deaths soon. They're lucky so many people have the memories of goldfish. We're going to pass China tomorrow for fatalities despite that being its origin.

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Oh, and I find it really interesting how people always use the total case number and total deaths to calculate a fatality rate, despite the fact most of those people in the US haven't recovered, then spin around and laud the US's low death rate and say, "it's also probably way lower due to asymptomatic people and more people being infected..." 

If you care that much about having a conservative estimate of death rate, it's FAR better to only look at closed cases. Let's do that. Really "fun" exercise. All of my numbers are coming from here, but feel free to independently verify the source with legitimate citations.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

For example, China and South Korea have largely contained the virus at this point. At the time of this posting, when looking exclusively at resolved cases - meaning, including only those who have died or recovered from the virus - China has a death rate of 4.16% (3305 out of 79357) and South Korea has a death rate of 2.91% (162 out of 5570).

Now, those are countries that have done a good job. The average fatality rate when looking only at resolved cases at the time of this writing is 18.59% (37820 out of 203479).

Keeping that in mind, how does America stack up? At the time of writing, the fatality rate for Americans in resolved cases is 36.53% (3170 out of 8677). 

Go ahead and lowball pretend-statistic your way out of that one.

And for the record, I'm not saying the fatality rate is that high. I am saying that the US has done a garbage job with it to this point though, and it **** sure isn't the flu.

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41 minutes ago, Francis York Morgan said:

All this "the economy" **** could be avoided if money wasn't being siphoned to the wrong places.

You are talking my language right there. So much broken with Washington DC including unending spending binges on so many things the people themselves wouldn’t agree to. Government got too big and too powerful, it’s so corrupt I don’t think there’s any way to reverse it. Slow it down some, yeah, stop it, I doubt it. One day it will implode, maybe not in our lifetime, but it’s unsustainable. 

The best thing we could ever do is impose term limits, but we don’t have the power to do that unfortunately

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23 minutes ago, gazoo said:

You are talking my language right there. So much broken with Washington DC including unending spending binges on so many things the people themselves wouldn’t agree to. Government got too big and too powerful, it’s so corrupt I don’t think there’s any way to reverse it. Slow it down some, yeah, stop it, I doubt it. One day it will implode, maybe not in our lifetime, but it’s unsustainable. 

The best thing we could ever do is impose term limits, but we don’t have the power to do that unfortunately

Absolutely. I was in the Navy, dad in the Air Force, whole family is military. And the best argument I've seen against universal healthcare is tied to the military - so much wasteful spending when the government is involved. You see it again with the lip service stimulus bill. 

People get too caught up in the left vs right stuff. If people saw it more as the people together, like a democracy ought to be, I don't think things wouldn't be this way.

And genuine free market capitalism is a great thing - that's why I don't get kids blaming "capitalism" for everything. The issue isn't capitalism. Capitalism is individual businesses. Everything is monopolized right now, and when something is too big to fail, the government bails them out. It's vile.

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1 hour ago, Francis York Morgan said:

Absolutely. I was in the Navy, dad in the Air Force, whole family is military. And the best argument I've seen against universal healthcare is tied to the military - so much wasteful spending when the government is involved. You see it again with the lip service stimulus bill. 

People get too caught up in the left vs right stuff. If people saw it more as the people together, like a democracy ought to be, I don't think things wouldn't be this way.

And genuine free market capitalism is a great thing - that's why I don't get kids blaming "capitalism" for everything. The issue isn't capitalism. Capitalism is individual businesses. Everything is monopolized right now, and when something is too big to fail, the government bails them out. It's vile.

unchecked capitalism =  monopolies.

That's why kids are against capitalism.

Because there are virtually zero checks on corporations, and corporations own our political system.

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7 hours ago, Mr.11 said:

Was it really just a few though? Besides the Black Friday like spectacles at grocery stores, people were by and large conducting business as usual until about three weeks or so ago. At that point the number of known cases started doubling and tripling on an almost daily basis and the markets started tanking precipitously as a result, despite best efforts by leadership to downplay the severity of what we're dealing with.

Like I said, some early confusion and messy at first, which is understandable. But overall, I’ve been impressed how everything’s come together in this short of time. Unprecedented, actually. 

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2 hours ago, tactician said:

One thing I'd like to say, Dr Fauci is a fraud. His entire career, he has been wrong every time. His predictions are always wrong. His predictions on HIV were wrong. His predictions on H1N1 were wrong. His predictions on Covid-19 will be wrong. His job clearly is not about being right.

One thing I’d like to say....This is a crapola post.

It’s foolish for anyone to make predictions on the unknown, other than to scare the crap out of folks to get their attention. And they’ve gotten it. 

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5 hours ago, tactician said:

He might be a well meaning doctor, but he has been consistently wrong with nearly every one of his infection disease predictions throughout his entire career.

My point is, as has everyone else. 
 

Did you see all the ‘credible’ doc predictions on how many would die from Ebola? How did that turn out? Swine Flu? SARS? All The headlines coming out of Britain in 2016  of “Britain prepares for 1 million deaths”? 
 

These things are impossible to predict. 

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5 hours ago, tactician said:

Ok, so basically it's accepted in the field of public health to project borderline doomsday scenarios to get people's attention, even though those projections end up invariably wrong. Give me the weather man who forecasts the weather correctly, not the one predicting biblical floods at the first sign of gray clouds.

And media runs with it. 
 

It’s all a shot in the dark. Weathermen are a good comparison, actually. 

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9 minutes ago, tactician said:

A shot in the dark costing millions of people their jobs and risking a global economic depression. Give me the epidemiologist that has a history of accurate infectious disease forecasts, not the one who cries wolf.

What's worse? Millions of people losing their jobs or millions of people dying?

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9 hours ago, PokerSteve said:

This is blowing my mind. I was wondering today if any of us on here would get Covid-19. It's starting to look like a bunch of us have already had it and never knew what it was, only that it was a real-asz kicking flu bug.

My wife and I were saying that to each other in early March. “We’ve already had it, but didn’t know it”. Whatever we had, and to be perfectly honest my wife was diagnosed with the flu, “a different strain” we were told than the flu shot I received back in the fall. So if it truly was the flu, it was and has been the worst ever. God awful bad. So...a lot of things out there that can kill you. 

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7 hours ago, Francis York Morgan said:

Oh, and I find it really interesting how people always use the total case number and total deaths to calculate a fatality rate, despite the fact most of those people in the US haven't recovered, then spin around and laud the US's low death rate and say, "it's also probably way lower due to asymptomatic people and more people being infected..." 

If you care that much about having a conservative estimate of death rate, it's FAR better to only look at closed cases. Let's do that. Really "fun" exercise. All of my numbers are coming from here, but feel free to independently verify the source with legitimate citations.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

The problem with this is how recovered cases are defined, and I don't know how, or if there is a universal way to define them. Are they recovered hospitalized cases, or recovered confirmed cases. It's difficult to imagine that it's the latter.

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10 hours ago, tactician said:

I'm not saying it's not serious. But there are 350,000,000 Americans. 160k positive cases. That 5 hundreds of 1%. That's a really small number. Do you think a disease only prevalent among 5/100 of 1% of people would have somehow also infected Kevin Durant, Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert, Doris Burke, James Dolan, Sean Payton, Rand Paul, Tom Hanks, Idris Elba, and numerous congressman? No. Millions of people have it already. Almost all the of the ones that tested positive are those that needed medical care. The actual denominator is a seven or eight figure number, the vast majority of whom are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. The actual fatality rate is well below 1%. 

If you want to make that argument, then you also concede that the spread of the virus is far greater than officially detected and reported. In that case, you would have to assume that most Americans will get it, which means that even a number far smaller than 1% still means hundreds of thousands of deaths.

For what it's worth, the actual fatality rate is most likely smaller than 1%, if you include asymptomatic cases. But that is still a very large number, and an order of magnitude larger than flu, because by that approach, flu also has a fatality rate far smaller than 0.1% reported ion you include its asymptomatic patients.

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23 hours ago, wartownfalcon said:

I’m just confused with the whole social distancing thing. In 2018 the Flu was killing 4000 a week, Corona is only killing 490 a week. I don’t remember a panic like that for 2018. But to each their own. But as it stands now, owners pockets are going to be hurting if it stays the same

This aged well!

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