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11 hours ago, stizz said:

These things are tricky because you don't want to come across as insensitive, but the NFL didn't even flinch about their draft and simply removed the events from Vegas. The NFL makes so much from advertisers, if were not yet past the curve come August, I'm sure they'd try to figure out a way for the games to be played with either a smaller crowd or no crowd.

Exactly. Major league baseball owners and players have already agreed in principal to play at neutral sites, play as much of the regular season schedule as possible, play with no live crowd, etc. The NFL is going to do pretty much the same thing. Cancellation of the season is not happening.

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10 hours ago, Dr_truth189 said:

And you are failing to understand why the usage of worst possible scenario is important in a time where we know so little.  

 

Right now the US has had arguably the worst response of any major country.  As has been said in previous posts, people are flocking to beaches right now because there is lack of leadership at this time, and we don't have enough test kits to even know what our actual numbers are in the country.  The top officials in the country estimate 200,000 people are going to die in the US alone, and that is due to our current testing process. 

 

Also, to answer @wartownfalcon's question from earlier about why this is a worse issue than the flu is because of a few main reasons. 
1. Is the spreadability of the virus
2. Is the delay of symptoms
3. Is the most important, we do not have the medical items we need to combat this.  A co-worker's wife died here in Metro Atlanta this weekend from a stroke because there is a shortage of ventilators (which is currently our most available response to the Coronavirus). 

 

Imagine this, Mcdonald's serves millions of Big Mac's in a year right?  But if you went to a McDonald's on a random day and order 10k Big Mac's, how would they respond?   The system is being overwhelmed by an unexpected threat and unknown threat. 

The World Health Organization thinks otherwise....

https://www.foxnews.com/world/world-health-organization-praises-trump-leadership-coronavirus-pandemic

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2 hours ago, gazoo said:

Why do so many believe the narratives the hostile, activist media spins on a daily basis? They pushed the fake Russia collusion narrative for over two years when I could see about 3 weeks into it it was a hoax. Yet, the media  never apologized, they just jumped to the next hoax which was the call. I knew within moments the “whistleblower” was just a set up to start a fake impeachment.  Why do people keep believing the same news that hoaxed them out over and over with the walls are closing in he’s about to be removed? He was NEVER close to being removed. All that stuff was designed to damage him politically.  Well, the Mueller investigate was a set up to try and create an obstruction case, but early on I knew that wasn’t going to happen. Mueller knew before the investigation started that Russia collusion narrative was fake.

the business insider is overtly hostile to the current administration spinning one narrative after another, just another of several. 

Im with ya man. He wasn't my first choice to be republican candidate. And even now, there are times when i slap my head and say "will you please shut up already". But, he is our president and i believe he is doing the best he can for our country (which is far better than the clown show alternatives that i have seen). The man could cure cancer, solve world hunger, and give everyone a million dollars and people would still complain. I'm so tired of it! Can't we just pull together in this time of crisis, pray for the man and his advisers, and move on from this political crap.

GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!

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11 hours ago, Malachore said:

Italy was the least prepared and has a very elderly population. I don't think using an absolute worst scenario is a wise argument. 

Yes it is, because they didn't take it seriously, much like policies (and public opinion) here didn't take it seriously until they were forced to.

11 hours ago, wartownfalcon said:

I’m just confused with the whole social distancing thing. In 2018 the Flu was killing 4000 a week, Corona is only killing 490 a week. I don’t remember a panic like that for 2018. But to each their own. But as it stands now, owners pockets are going to be hurting if it stays the same

SARS-CoV2 has no vaccine, highly contagious, and right now killing people at a much higher rate than the flu. We still don't know exactly how many people have it because we don't have enough testing kits, among other things, and not all people are symptomatic. If people went about business like this was just the flu (which shouldn't be taken lightly either), things would be much worse. It's a perfect storm of ignorance and a highly infectious contagion.

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27 minutes ago, Mr.11 said:

Yes it is, because they didn't take it seriously, much like policies (and public opinion) here didn't take it seriously until they were forced to.

SARS-CoV2 has no vaccine, highly contagious, and right now killing people at a much higher rate than the flu, and we still don't know exactly how many people have it because we don't have enough testing kits, among other things. If people went about business like this was just the flu (which shouldn't be taken lightly either), things would be much worse. It's a perfect storm of ignorance and a highly infectious contagion.

Where are you coming from with this ‘ignorance” narrative? There was some early missteps by leaders, and there’s the usual idiotic few who are always clueless, but overall most people have been scared ****less from this virus by the 24:7 news focused on it.

And we had way more lead-time on this than Italy had, so it’s not the same. Plus Italy doesn’t have near the quality healthcare system America has.

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10 minutes ago, tactician said:

So, Mexico and Brazil are not doing any social distancing for the most part. Shouldn't they be soon in the midst of mass Covid-19 deaths? 

Well, they're about a month or so behind the US in terms of where they are in the epidemic, just like we're a couple weeks behind Italy, and many weeks behind China.

Mexico has also shut down most of their stuff.  So they shut down earlier in their cycle than we did.

But yeah, I'd expect in the next month, Mexico and Brazil will look like here now.

If they don't do any social distancing it will be worse.

Edit:  Obviously assuming normal things...that central/south americans aren't somehow immune due to a similar virus they've faced before (very unlikely) and that seasonality isn't a big part.  I don't expect either of those are going to be the difference makers, so I'd expect them to get hit.

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3 minutes ago, tactician said:

Well let's see. It's business as usual in Mexico City, Rio and Sao Paulo. These are among the biggest cities in the world.

I'm more interested in looking at people ahead of us in the time curve and taking lessons (S korea acted early, Italy acted late) rather than looking at people after.

Only one can inform us on what to do.

Oh, and BTW, S korea didn't shut everything down early.  They just tested early.  You don't have to shut everything down if you stay on the front end of the virus...though that's hard to do. 

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12 hours ago, wartownfalcon said:

I’m just confused with the whole social distancing thing. In 2018 the Flu was killing 4000 a week, Corona is only killing 490 a week. I don’t remember a panic like that for 2018. But to each their own. But as it stands now, owners pockets are going to be hurting if it stays the same

This is why the US is doomed 

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11 minutes ago, tactician said:

Well let's see. It's business as usual in Mexico City, Rio and Sao Paulo. These are among the biggest cities in the world.

Netherlands and Sweden are both taking the "expose all of our people to it and let's get this overwith" approach.

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2 hours ago, Chitown2ATL_Falcon said:

This virus is no joke.  They just took my sister-in-law off the respirator.  She's doing much better.  But for a while it touch and go.  So don't tell me this is a joke, because it's not to me.  

I bet you're a Trump supporter.

 

Did I say it was a joke?

I don't support anyone, I make my own thoughts. I'm sorry about your sister but her situation is the minority and that's my point.

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7 hours ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

If you want the truth, please consult non-propaganda sites.  Don’t come in quoting US media lies & fake nonsense. But at least seek truth elsewhere on your own.  

The unbearable pettiness of the Washington press corps.

 

“If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him.  Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.”
 Sun Tzu, The Art of War

 The American media is the enemy of the American president and the American people, and they have indeed grown arrogant.  “The opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself,” Sun Tzu wrote.  Those of us who have been watching President Trump’s daily press briefings on the Covid19 virus have not been surprised at the appalling disrespect the reporters show the man.  They have behaved this way since Trump became a candidate for the office of the presidency.  

As the world now grapples with this pandemic, each day the President and his team patiently explain to these people everything they know to date, and then he takes questions.  Nearly every question is an attempt at a gotcha moment.  They read part of a statement the President made, often an edited statement, then challenge him to defend that which needs no defense.  He has defeated them, but they have yet to realize it. 

Our not-intrepid press corps nearly all operate on the premise that the President came late to the crisis when in fact he was on it from moment one, as soon as the truth of it emerged from China too late. The WHO, NIH and the CDC were each wholly unprepared, having spent their billions on social justice projects and studying drunk monkeys.  Not one of those three agencies saw the virus as a potential pandemic; not in December nor January.  Trump did.  It is those institutions and the irresponsibility of previous administrations who bear the blame for the shortages of medical equipment and supplies, Gov. Cuomo in particular.  

But every question from this press corps is meant to impugn the President’s handling of this global event.  They make fools of themselves day after day and are apparently too dim to realize that fact, so they show up the next day and embarrass themselves again.  They ask questions that simply cannot be answered at this point.  They ask for speculation then attack him for speculating. 

The President mentions a possible successful treatment and they denounce both him and the drug -- which has so far turned out to be very successful.   No matter how many times he explains that the team is doing its very best to come up with appropriate guidelines as new data is revealed, they seem to think 219991_5_.pngTrump should be able to answer the unanswerable.  Like a cackle of hyenas, they shout at him, each asking the same questions over and over again.  He patiently answers or has one of the virology experts present address the question, but no answer pleases them.  

Each one of them wants to catch him in a mistake so the clip of their question will go viral.  But what has gone viral is the absolute inanity of these people and Trump’s restraint and aplomb before them. Most people could not, would not put up with such a despicable colony of weasels. 

Since the moment Trump became the candidate, the media set out to destroy him.  They were overwhelmingly confident that they could do exactly that.  They had always been successful in such endeavors before.  From the Billy Bush tape, to the Russia collusion hoax, the Ukraine phone call, impeachment, and now this virus, they have not let up for one moment.  But he has confounded them.  

“Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances.” Sun Tzu.   

What is almost hilarious is that the media never learn from their many mistakes.  He wins almost every time.  He is most certainly winning this time.  Many millions of Americans are watching these briefings and seeing firsthand just how rude and disrespectful most of the “reporters” in the room are.  There may be a few who show respect and are interested in learning something.  The rest are mere little yappy dogs trying to nip at Trump’s ankles and getting nowhere.  He skillfully exposes them for who and what they are:  ignorant and noxious.  They want nothing more than to hurt the man who has handled this crisis far better and more aggressively than any other world leader.  

The fanatical media has more than demeaned itself, it has rendered itself irrelevant.  Americans who are watching are disgusted by their obvious and relentless attacks on the man.  No wonder the President’s approval ratings are climbing.  We are seeing a man adept at solving problems and getting things done and watching the media that is a barrel of monkeys willing to destroy the country to take him down.  Bill Maher has been wishing for a recession for a few years now.  Our media defends China and tries to ruin their own President!

What makes these briefings so entertaining is when the President calls them out for their dishonesty.  He has a steel-trap mind and remembers what he has said.  When they twist or edit his words, he knows it and humiliates them. But they seem not to realize they are being humiliated.   

President Trump has been teaching us all.  It is only the men and women of the media who fail to learn.  Donald Trump, as John Perazzo has written is a superb and unappreciated President

Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.” Sun Tzu   

This is that moment.



Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/the_unbearable_pettiness_of_the_washington_press_corps.html#ixzz6ICTZgVoj 
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53 minutes ago, tactician said:

False. False. False.

It’s not dude. I’m so glad my borders are closed, holy ****. 

Why deny when you can be safe? Why ignore plainly stated information proven empirically and backed by professionals when you’re an absolute nobody? I’ll never understand. 

Stay home. 

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4 minutes ago, tactician said:

He said Covid-19 has a fatality rate of 2%. That is a false statement. I thought Canucks were good at math? Right now in the US there are 160,000 or so confirmed cases, around 3000 deaths. That's a rate of 1.88%, and that's not including asymptomatic cases. For every positive case there are likely 10 asymptomatic cases that do not get tested, perhaps more. That would put the actual fatality rate around 0.18%. 

I didn’t do any math. You did. And it was shotty, made-up garbage at best. The US was only hit hard recently. That fatality rate rises as ICUs and hospitals become overrun. Stay the **** inside. You aren’t smarter than infectious disease experts.  

Also, Canucks are good at not dying too. 

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3 hours ago, Vandy said:

Not saying that won’t happen, as it certainly potentially could turn out true....but way too soon to be throwing those kind of numbers out as well as the low-balled ones were. Nobody really knows how these things will turn out. 

For example, One therapeutic drug....and as you know there’s several promising ones on the crusp.....much less a vaccine...would be a game changer.

There are several anti inflammatory, anti virals etc showing great promise. Different treatments and drugs can treat sick people at different stages. I heard of an HIV immunosuppressant than only requires two shots in the belly of people on a respirator near death, and it shuts down the cytokines storm immediately and gets the patient off the respirator. There are numberous ones.

The hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin seems to work best if administered prior to acute onset of symptoms. So if a person is in high risk group and starts getting tightness of breath or flu like symptoms,  hit them immediately with these two drugs and it prevents almost all of them from every having to go the hospital and in 5 days the virus is completely  gone. 

Unfortunately the media and some politicians are politicizing this and it’s making it much harder on everyone. Shameless.

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7 hours ago, AUTiger7222 said:

I agree with this!! I think it's been here since last year and that many of these "flu" deaths were just coronavirus and that a lot more people have already had it than what has been said. I, my mom and my girlfriend all terrible flu-like symptoms that lasted for a couple of months instead of just the normal couple of weeks. It didn't seem like we would ever get over it. That all happened last year in November and December.

Reading this it dawned on me I had the worst case of flu I've had in 20 or 30 years a few months ago. Sick as a dog ~ and I rarely even get a cold. I had trouble breathing, plus every other flu symptom you can have. I had it for about two weeks and was absolutely deathly ill and miserable. It finally started to fade. It makes me wonder now if maybe that was part of the first wave of this virus.

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1 hour ago, takeitdown said:

I'm more interested in looking at people ahead of us in the time curve and taking lessons (S korea acted early, Italy acted late) rather than looking at people after.

Only one can inform us on what to do.

Oh, and BTW, S korea didn't shut everything down early.  They just tested early.  You don't have to shut everything down if you stay on the front end of the virus...though that's hard to do. 

This right here is what I'm talking about. South Korea is being praised and Trump is being bashed. But according to the numbers I posted earlier in this thread and linked to the USA death rate is 1.8% and South Korea's is 1.6% so why are they being praised and Trump being bashed when it's nearly the same death rate?

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38 minutes ago, Falcanuck said:

I didn’t do any math. You did. And it was shotty, made-up garbage at best. The US was only hit hard recently. That fatality rate rises as ICUs and hospitals become overrun. Stay the **** inside. You aren’t smarter than infectious disease experts.  

Also, Canucks are good at not dying too. 

This is what some of you guys who are politicizing this do. You refuse to recognize the other side of the argument about all the harm being caused by the shutdown, and if anyone mentions it you accuse them of not taking this seriously.

Well, the suicide hotlines are already experiencing a huge increase in calls, one county in TN had 9 suicide the last 2 days. People are already losing everything they’ve worked for all their lives. Wiped out in financial destruction, losing their businesses and jobs. 

We just heard from federal reserve that Coronavirus job loses could be 47 million with a 32% unemployment just based on cirremt shutdown. The suicide rate during recession/ depression years can be 12 - 14% in every 10,000 Americans each year. That doesn’t include the drug overdoses and other deaths form the mental health crisis.  If you ignore the possibility of a long shutdown plunging America into a long term depression you are just playing politics. 

 

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1 hour ago, athell said:

Netherlands and Sweden are both taking the "expose all of our people to it and let's get this overwith" approach.

I think that's the right thing to do. This whole shutting down the whole economy for several months is going to do far more harm than this virus will. People here need a history lesson about the great depression of the 1920s and how truly bad that was for the American people and we're heading straight into that same kind of heIl again if we don't put things back in order and do it soon. Trump is not a freaking idiot. There's a reason he's talked about getting back to normal sooner rather than later and it has nothing to do with "well he just doesn't give a **** how many people die." But if people want to be ignorant and believe that's the reason he wants things back to normal sooner rather than later then they're free to think that.

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6 hours ago, Black Francis said:

Same in my family. My wife are just now starting to feel normal and yes we were diagnosed with the flu. It was awful. Worst case I’ve ever had, or at least I can remember. 

This is blowing my mind. I was wondering today if any of us on here would get Covid-19. It's starting to look like a bunch of us have already had it and never knew what it was, only that it was a real-asz kicking flu bug.

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3 hours ago, Chitown2ATL_Falcon said:

This virus is no joke.  They just took my sister-in-law off the respirator.  She's doing much better.  But for a while it touch and go.  So don't tell me this is a joke, because it's not to me.  

I bet you're a Trump supporter.

 

You are very lucky she made it.

thats said, it’s a fake or politically driven argument to suggest anyone on this thread doesn’t think it’s serious. It’s a straw man to avoid talking about the apocalypse, death and disease that can be created by keeping the country shut down too long. 

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18 minutes ago, PokerSteve said:

Reading this it dawned on me I had the worst case of flu I've had in 20 or 30 years a few months ago. Sick as a dog ~ and I rarely even get a cold. I had trouble breathing, plus every other flu symptom you can have. I had it for about two weeks and was absolutely deathly ill and miserable. It finally started to fade. It makes me wonder now if maybe that was part of the first wave of this virus.

My wife was the same way, she went in with a 102 and her flu came back negative. It's been here, these cases are not new. Just recent. 

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