Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
FalconsIn2012

Scouting Report: Chaisson vs Young

Recommended Posts

17 hours ago, MD-FalconFan13 said:

To make a quick Basketball analogy, there's a reason folks don't respect Kevin Durant's championships with Golden State. Everyone recognizes he's talented, but that team was already stacked with elite players without him. 

Chaisson is surrounded with elite defensive prospects at virtually every position. Now maybe that contributed to his lack of production. And I absolutely acknowledge the esteem the team holds him in. However I was strictly discussing ON THE FIELD leadership. Not sideline pep talks or good off field character. This team has enough boy scouts. We need guys that can produce between the numbers. And the fact is Chaisson has not proven he can do that consistently. 

I'm sorry if I come off as being difficult. I'm truly only interested in getting the very best talent for our team to help us win. Chaisson is a Jack of all trades and master of none. I'd rather take a guy that I KNOW has at least 1 high level skill. To me Murray can come in Day 1 and lead the team in tackles for loss, especially if we pair him with a later round DT to put beside Grady. Chaisson is not a true DE or a true LB. Couple that with his ACL injury and lack of production I'm scared to bank a 1st rounder on him. That doesn't concern you all even a little?

I don't think you're being difficult. I agree with you. I liked Chaisson as a 2nd rounder, and felt his stock would certainly rise into a late first, making it unlikely we get him. As you have mentioned, he's a jack of all trades guy. Nothing wrong with that, but compared to Murray(who I like as much as you do), I don't see how he's a better prospect. 

Being a vocal leader is nice and all, but when I think of being the leader of a defense, I'm thinking who stands out the most. Whose the engine and heart and soul of that defense. I felt LSU just had too much talent to say Chaisson was the driving force behind its success.

Going back to comparisons, if we look at Simmons and what he was to Clemson, I just don't see Chaisson having that kind of impact. I'm not saying Chaisson won't be a good ball player, but I'm not too excited taking him as a top 15ish talent.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Smiler11 said:

But can he cover, he sure wasn't asked to do it much at Oklahoma? There is a lot of projection there based on his athleticism and my worry is he is another Stephone Anthony or Jarrad Davis. If we go the off-ball LB route, I think Queen would be a safer pick because of his value in coverage. 

You might not be a fan, but the NFL places far more value these days on a guy like Chaisson over Murray.

That value is based off potential though. Quinn spent an entire offseason with this D-line and the only one that continues to show up is Jarrett. No one else. We spent 15 million on Beasley because he really believed he could help him take the next step. He did not. If we can’t get a slam dunk pass rusher than I would rather protect the middle of the field. And Murray did do a good job covering the flats with RB’s; He has sideline to side line speed. Luke Kuechly had really good athleticism but it was his intelligence that made it seem like he had elite athleticism. I can not understate the mental part of the game. Due diligence needs to be done on these “Elite” athletes to make sure that talent will translate. The Mingo’s and Leonard Floyd types that everyone in these boards falls in love with on these boards have continue to not develop in this league. That is all I’m going off of.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
19 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Then Alex Highsmith Round 4

But we likely have no safeties under contract in 2021 (if Rico is cap casualty), so safety should be addressed twice in this draft.  If we can get Winnfield Rd 2 and JR Reed late I’m thrilled

I don’t think they would of re-signed Neasman if they plan to draft 2 Safeties. Quinn already said they plan to get Kazee, Allen, Neal plenty of snaps so would you use a 2nd on a guy thats only going to be your 4th S this yr? 

Edited by falconsfan4life3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Smiler11 said:

But can he cover, he sure wasn't asked to do it much at Oklahoma? There is a lot of projection there based on his athleticism and my worry is he is another Stephone Anthony or Jarrad Davis. If we go the off-ball LB route, I think Queen would be a safer pick because of his value in coverage. 

You might not be a fan, but the NFL places far more value these days on a guy like Chaisson over Murray.

He's actually a lot better than you might think in coverage. Oklahoma used him more as a rusher because they didn't have anyone else that could rush sans Gallimore. Oklahoma really didn't have any talent on defense outside of those 2.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

I think you’re grasping at straws when it comes to Chaisson.  He is a well rounded OLB who can put his hand in the dirt or play standing up equally well.  A monster vs the run and solid yet high ceiling potential rushing the passer

 

Seahawks NFL Draft Profile: K'Lavon Chaisson

 
 
 
 
 

Strengths

Playing with a motor that is constantly running hot, Chaisson looks like a road runner rocketing off the edge at the snap and gains ground rapidly. He possesses an explosive initial step and even against top-tier opponents such as Alabama, opposing tackles often drew false start penalties trying to get into their pass sets early to compensate for his upfield burst and speed.

A quick twitch athlete, Chaisson has the flexibility and ankle flexion to quickly turn the corner on tackles and engulf opposing quarterbacks. Thanks to his elite lateral quickness for the position, he’s also superb executing stunt games and consistently disrupted the pocket rocketing through the A-gap after twisting inside.

 

While it comes in spurts and he can be overpowered by stronger linemen at times, Chaisson can be a disruptive force defending the run, as he produced 13.5 tackles for loss last season. He throws violent hands and uses his length effectively to create separation against blockers, especially when setting the edge. He pursues the football relentlessly sideline to sideline and excels finishing plays in space, including making tackles coming from the backside of the play frequently.

Often playing in a two-point stance for the Tigers, Chaisson proved himself capable of dropping into coverage against tight ends and has the athletic traits to excel as an off-ball defender in a 3-4 scheme. With a chiseled 250-pound frame, he has the ideal build for a modern EDGE hybrid and has room to add muscle once he enters the league.

Weaknesses

For all of the physical tools Chaisson brings to the table, his athleticism and tenacity haven’t always resulted in the type of production scouts look for from elite pass rushers. He finished with a respectable 6.5 sacks during LSU’s run to a national championship last year, but only had 3.0 sacks in 11 games prior.

While he’s displayed functional counters, including spin, swim, and rip moves, he struggles to consistently deploy them and often relies on his pure athleticism to beat blockers as a rusher. Once he’s locked up at the end of a speed rush and the tackle sets anchor against him, he will keep battling but hasn’t shown the consistent ability to get off of the block and properly utilize his pass rushing tool box.

From a technical standpoint, Chaisson is far more polished as a run defender and exhibits the mindset necessary to hold serve at the point of attack. But to play as a three-point defensive end in a 4-3 scheme at the next level, he will need to become friends with the weight room and add a bit more functional power to hold up in the trenches.

 

 
KennethMurray.jpg
  • Kenneth Murray, 6-2/243 
     
  • Outside Linebacker 
     
  • Oklahoma 
 
Kenneth Murray Scouting Report 
By Charlie Campbell 

 
Strengths: 
  • Sideline-to-sideline speed 
  • Tough run defender 
  • Good tackler 
  • Hard hitter 
  • Very physical 
  • Quick 
  • Diagnosis skills 
  • Read-and-react skills 
  • Fits a 4-3 or 3-4 defense 
  • Always around the ball 
  • Quick to the flat 
  • Closing speed 
  • Rangy 
  • Advanced pass-coverage linebacker 
  • Can help cover against tight ends and running backs 
  • Can drop into zone coverage 
  • Good instincts 
  • Dangerous edge rusher 
  • Ability to bend 
  • Ability to dip 
  • Has the speed to turn the corner 
  • Asset to spy mobile quarterbacks 
  • Strong, thick build 
  • Durable 
  • Leader 
  • Hard worker 
  • Athletic upside 
  • Upside; continues to improve 



     
 

Weaknesses: 
  • Good instincts, but not great 
  • Can be overly aggressive at times 
  • Could have some medical concerns 


     
  • Summary: Over the past three seasons, Murraywas one of the most consistent and effective linebackers in college football. He was right up there with recent top-10 picks Devin White and Roquan Smith in terms of production, skill set, and leadership on their defense. Murray didn't receive the same media acclaim as those two did at LSU and Georgia respectively, but NFL teams hold Murray in similar regard to those two star linebackers. 

    Murray was a reliable tackler for the Sooners in his freshman season when he had a solid debut with 78 stops. As a sophomore, he exploded with 155 tackles and was all over the field for Oklahoma. In 2019, Murray had 102 tackles with four sacks and four passes batted. 

    Murray is the complete package as a linebacker and a future three-down starter. He has good, not great, instincts but is quick to read his keys to get in position to make plays. For a big and thick linebacker, Murray has surprising speed to get to the perimeter and he eats up space in a hurry. Murray has good length and weight to him as well, so that gives him the versatility to play any linebacker position in a 4-3. Team sources say Murray can really run and is a flexible linebacker who should excel as a Mike - middle - or outside linebacker. 

    In the ground game, Murray is a very physical tackler with sideline-to-sideline speed and has some ability to take on blocks at the point of attack. He is a very good tackler who wraps up ball-carriers and puts them into the turf with force. White has the size and mentality to take on blocks, hold his ground, shed the block, and get in on tackles. Murray was a tackling machine throughout his collegiate career, as he is a superb run defender and projects to be a force to shut down and limit offenses' ground game. 

    Murray is an asset for pass coverage. Team sources like his athleticism and coverage ability, which is vital to being a three-down starter and difference-maker as a non-pass-rushing linebacker in the modern, passing-driven NFL. He covers a lot of ground in zone coverage, is a smooth mover in space, and does a nice job of disrupting throwing lanes. His size and athleticism allows him to have the potential to play some man coverage on tight ends and backs out of the backfield. On dump-off passes to the flat, Murray explodes into the ball-carrier and is very good at making tackles in space. He has the speed to run down the middle seam as well. Murray's skill set and instincts make him an excellent spy to help neutralize a mobile quarterback as well. 

    Some scouts say that Murray's pass-rush ability is better than some players who do it on an every-down basis. He proved he is a dangerous blitzer in 2019, showing speed off the edge with the ability to bend, dip, and turn the corner.

    Multiple team sources say Murray is a better prospect than other recent first-round linebackers, including Leighton Vander Esch, Haason Reddick, Tremaine Edmunds and Alec Ogletree. Evaluators feel Murray is closer to being on a par with Roquan Smith and Devin White, although maybe not quite as good as though two. Hence, they see Murray having top-10 potential for the 2020 NFL Draft. If Murray slides lower in the first round, it could be because of team needs and not many wanting to take linebackers early. Another reason he could slide is concern over his medical evaluation as some have questions. Teams rave about Murray off the field and in the locker room with his character and work ethic. They say he loves football and is a valuable team leader. 

    I think Murray will be an excellent pro linebacker with Pro Bowl potential and the ability to be one of the top Mike - middle - or Will - weakside - linebackers in the NFL. 

     
    ADVERTISING

    Player Comparison: Thomas Davis. Murray reminds me, and some team evaluators I've spoken with, of Davis. Like Davis, Murray has a physical style of play with hard tackles, good run defense, an ability to cover, and versatility in the middle of the field. I could see Murray having a long and productive career like Davis in the NFL.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, falconsfan4life3 said:

I don’t think they would of re-signed Neasman if they plan to draft 2 Safeties. Quinn already said they plan to get Kazee, Allen, Neal plenty of snaps so would you use a 2nd on a guy thats only going to be your 4th S this yr? I wouldn’t. 

I’ll take Winnfield, Chinn or Duggar over any safety on the roster long term

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, GATXBOI said:

Did you watch Oklahoma vs LSU Texas Baylor 2x when the moment was big he didn't capitalize.. can you say that about Chaisson that is my arguement 

He had a good game for the most part with the exception of a missed tackle where he got knocked on his ace. He had a tfl, a hurry, and some stops. It's not his fault he was on a bad defense man. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Macintez said:

I’m not worried about people that co-sign you. LSU demolished every defense to where they couldn’t even run the ball because they were already behind and those were the best stats he could come up with? But he’s an elite prospect? Ok.

What are you talking about your the one sprouting this jack of all trades master of non BS.Your the one trying to tell me that my opinion of Chaisson is based off one game BS.

To be honest I don’t care if you like him not just don’t post BS to try and rubbish a guy when it’s just not true.I’ve said nothing about Murray or had a crack at anything about the guy you like.
 

Well thee elite prospect bit just about every mock I’ve seen of Chaisson has him inside of the top 16-17 taken without fail with a lot of them having him going inside the 10 so if you can’t handle that unlucky it is what it is.

PS LSU v OKC who set the tone when the score was 0-0 and got the sack on the first series.Oh don’t worry I know you don’t watch what will put holes in your position.
 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Macintez said:
 
KennethMurray.jpg
  • Kenneth Murray, 6-2/243 
     
  • Outside Linebacker 
     
  • Oklahoma 
 
Kenneth Murray Scouting Report 
By Charlie Campbell 

 
Strengths: 
  • Sideline-to-sideline speed 
  • Tough run defender 
  • Good tackler 
  • Hard hitter 
  • Very physical 
  • Quick 
  • Diagnosis skills 
  • Read-and-react skills 
  • Fits a 4-3 or 3-4 defense 
  • Always around the ball 
  • Quick to the flat 
  • Closing speed 
  • Rangy 
  • Advanced pass-coverage linebacker 
  • Can help cover against tight ends and running backs 
  • Can drop into zone coverage 
  • Good instincts 
  • Dangerous edge rusher 
  • Ability to bend 
  • Ability to dip 
  • Has the speed to turn the corner 
  • Asset to spy mobile quarterbacks 
  • Strong, thick build 
  • Durable 
  • Leader 
  • Hard worker 
  • Athletic upside 
  • Upside; continues to improve 



     
 

Weaknesses: 
  • Good instincts, but not great 
  • Can be overly aggressive at times 
  • Could have some medical concerns 


     
  • Summary: Over the past three seasons, Murraywas one of the most consistent and effective linebackers in college football. He was right up there with recent top-10 picks Devin White and Roquan Smith in terms of production, skill set, and leadership on their defense. Murray didn't receive the same media acclaim as those two did at LSU and Georgia respectively, but NFL teams hold Murray in similar regard to those two star linebackers. 

    Murray was a reliable tackler for the Sooners in his freshman season when he had a solid debut with 78 stops. As a sophomore, he exploded with 155 tackles and was all over the field for Oklahoma. In 2019, Murray had 102 tackles with four sacks and four passes batted. 

    Murray is the complete package as a linebacker and a future three-down starter. He has good, not great, instincts but is quick to read his keys to get in position to make plays. For a big and thick linebacker, Murray has surprising speed to get to the perimeter and he eats up space in a hurry. Murray has good length and weight to him as well, so that gives him the versatility to play any linebacker position in a 4-3. Team sources say Murray can really run and is a flexible linebacker who should excel as a Mike - middle - or outside linebacker. 

    In the ground game, Murray is a very physical tackler with sideline-to-sideline speed and has some ability to take on blocks at the point of attack. He is a very good tackler who wraps up ball-carriers and puts them into the turf with force. White has the size and mentality to take on blocks, hold his ground, shed the block, and get in on tackles. Murray was a tackling machine throughout his collegiate career, as he is a superb run defender and projects to be a force to shut down and limit offenses' ground game. 

    Murray is an asset for pass coverage. Team sources like his athleticism and coverage ability, which is vital to being a three-down starter and difference-maker as a non-pass-rushing linebacker in the modern, passing-driven NFL. He covers a lot of ground in zone coverage, is a smooth mover in space, and does a nice job of disrupting throwing lanes. His size and athleticism allows him to have the potential to play some man coverage on tight ends and backs out of the backfield. On dump-off passes to the flat, Murray explodes into the ball-carrier and is very good at making tackles in space. He has the speed to run down the middle seam as well. Murray's skill set and instincts make him an excellent spy to help neutralize a mobile quarterback as well. 

    Some scouts say that Murray's pass-rush ability is better than some players who do it on an every-down basis. He proved he is a dangerous blitzer in 2019, showing speed off the edge with the ability to bend, dip, and turn the corner.

    Multiple team sources say Murray is a better prospect than other recent first-round linebackers, including Leighton Vander Esch, Haason Reddick, Tremaine Edmunds and Alec Ogletree. Evaluators feel Murray is closer to being on a par with Roquan Smith and Devin White, although maybe not quite as good as though two. Hence, they see Murray having top-10 potential for the 2020 NFL Draft. If Murray slides lower in the first round, it could be because of team needs and not many wanting to take linebackers early. Another reason he could slide is concern over his medical evaluation as some have questions. Teams rave about Murray off the field and in the locker room with his character and work ethic. They say he loves football and is a valuable team leader. 

    I think Murray will be an excellent pro linebacker with Pro Bowl potential and the ability to be one of the top Mike - middle - or Will - weakside - linebackers in the NFL. 

     
    ADVERTISING

    Player Comparison: Thomas Davis. Murray reminds me, and some team evaluators I've spoken with, of Davis. Like Davis, Murray has a physical style of play with hard tackles, good run defense, an ability to cover, and versatility in the middle of the field. I could see Murray having a long and productive career like Davis in the NFL.

I like Murray as a prospect so you won’t see me upset if we trade down into the late 20’s and add a 2nd or 3rd while drafting Murray in the 1st.  But Chaisson is a great player as well. In the mood of Brian Burns so a different player than Murray

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Osiruz said:

He had a good game for the most part with the exception of a missed tackle where he got knocked on his ace. He had a tfl, a hurry, and some stops. It's not his fault he was on a bad defense man. 

Stop that Oklahoma had a good defense last year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, GATXBOI said:

Stop that Oklahoma had a good defense last year.

Yeah if you call conceding 63 points in that game good defense, LSU could have easily put up 70. He was the lone bright light of that defense. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Osiruz said:

Yeah if you call conceding 63 points in that game good defense, LSU could have easily put up 70. He was the lone bright light of that defense. 

Blame the big 12

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
  • Create New...