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4 hours ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

It's that other 10% that's the problem.

You do realize that's 32 million people in the United States, right?

Its actually 1.33% at this point and likely to decrease with more testing.

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3 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

Italy must not have a refresh button on their web browsers then...really though, crazy how this is hitting them much more severely.

2nd oldest population in the world, behind japan. Open eu borders also.

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1 hour ago, tactician said:

For young healthy people it's no worse than the flu. What makes it a threat to the elderly are the respiratory symptoms. With that in mind, why not just quarantine the old and the infirm, as opposed to shutting down all of society?

because who knows, besides each person themselves, who is more at risk? can you tell the guy in line in front of you at the store is a diabetic by looking at him?

 

so you get it, but it doesn't hit you that hard. For the previous several days, up to two weeks, everyone you've come in contact with was exposed. There are cases of this, where even after recovery, they are discovering it can cause what is appearing to be permanent damage to the lungs, in some cases 20 to 30 percent less lung capacity, and this is even possible for someone who thinks they are 'young and healthy'....

 

yeah, the numbers are what they are for now.....y'all millenials just keep ignoring the warnings and go ahead and gather yourselves together and make each other sick. We'll root for ya while you're in the hospital. a few articles for ya:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/488288-us-health-official-warns-millennials-coronavirus

 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/u-s-official-says-data-show-severe-coronavirus-infections-among-millennials-not-just-older-americans/

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-china-reports-no-new-domestic-cases-first-time-nyc-n1163556/ncrd1164336#liveBlogHeader

 

 

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8 hours ago, Williamb said:

1. Masks help if the infected person is wearing it. It prevents the droplets from spraying. If you are wearing a mask, but not practicing social distancing, hand sanitation, surface sanitation, etc., you arent really doing any good.

2. Its really going to have to ramp up to cause as many deaths as the flu.

3. Mortality rates will decrease as testing increases.

4. At this point, having a positive or negative test doesnt change a thing about how you are treated. Same precautions and treatment as with cold, flu, or any other virus.

5. The way we curbed the hiv epidemic is to treat everyone including your grandma as if they have it.

Moral of the story, dont freak out, use good common sense, and practice good hygeine. A friggin virus should not be allowed to effect our lives in this way.

When it is very contagious, and kills a disproportionate part of a population, yes it absolutely should affect our lives.

Many of your points are very true otherwise. 

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9 hours ago, KRUNKuno said:

F the Aints...

but get better, Payton.

He was allowing his DC to pay his defenders to INJURE opposing players. One of the careers he ruined tried a comeback here. Forgot the kid's name, was a G drafted by the Bears. The filthy Saints players and coaches ruined that kids career. Cost him his shot at a multi-million dollar career. Ruined a decade plus of hard work, dedication, determination, and commitment to the sport.

I am not--- NOT!!!--- saying anything about deserving it. No one does. But I feel absolutely zero sympathy or compassion for this scum-weasel.

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11 hours ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

Ok Boomer

See,  I just find that **** funny.

i could care less about that other stuff.

Oh, I  guess like using other derogatory terms toward other demographics is perfectly acceptable. Good news for all you "ists", the "n" word, "f*g", etc., are all back in play. :bang:

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Since it was brought up.  The data shows, and I mean the real data and not the garbage the media and moronic governmental officials and publishing, that if you are under 60, have no comorbidity factors such as immune compromised, smoker, obese or have pulmonary disease, COVID-19 is less harmful then the flu.  If you don’t believe that go to any site such as the CDC or WHO, where they are now reporting individual cases and find a single healthy 30 - 50 year old that has even been hospitalized.  Mass testing has just begun and what the data is showing is that many people are infected, or have been for a while.  They have all been asymptomatic.  Also, everyone is reporting worst case data, which some experts are now saying will never occur.  If there is a 2% mortality rate, it will be 2% of the potential patient pool, which only includes elderly and people with comorbidity factors.  Basically, driving a car has a higher risk of killing you then this virus.  I guess they need to ban car travel.  

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all numbers below are from the CDC or WHO databases:

90 people die every day in the us due to car accidents; 

1200 die every day due to smoking;

822 due to obesity;

85 due to firearms;

There have been between 16,000 and 22,000 seasonal flu deaths in the US this year*

as of 9am on 20March2020, there have been 218 Coronavirus deaths in the US

*the exact number of flu deaths is hard to determine because many fatalities of the sick and elderly are never confirmed by tests as being caused by the flu

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25 minutes ago, schwarzenegger321 said:

all numbers below are from the CDC or WHO databases:

90 people die every day in the us due to car accidents; 

1200 die every day due to smoking;

822 due to obesity;

85 due to firearms;

There have been between 16,000 and 22,000 seasonal flu deaths in the US this year*

as of 9am on 20March2020, there have been 218 Coronavirus deaths in the US

*the exact number of flu deaths is hard to determine because many fatalities of the sick and elderly are never confirmed by tests as being caused by the flu

It's not the deaths that are the major problem per se <at the moment> ... it's the severity of the cases that require ICU treatment and/or ventilation that overload the medical systems. There is a measurable lack of hospital beds in most countries because we don't need the capacity in regular times, but when Covid sends far more people into our medical care system than we have capacity for then things get chaotic and the fatality rate increases. We are seeing that in Italy. 

The US has less than 3 hospital beds per 1000 citizens. Those aren't ICU beds, those are all beds. Many of those beds are already filled with non-Covid patients. The math is not in our favor, and it is simple to calculate.

 

Edited by Geneaut

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40 minutes ago, schwarzenegger321 said:

Since it was brought up.  The data shows, and I mean the real data and not the garbage the media and moronic governmental officials and publishing, that if you are under 60, have no comorbidity factors such as immune compromised, smoker, obese or have pulmonary disease, COVID-19 is less harmful then the flu.  If you don’t believe that go to any site such as the CDC or WHO, where they are now reporting individual cases and find a single healthy 30 - 50 year old that has even been hospitalized.  Mass testing has just begun and what the data is showing is that many people are infected, or have been for a while.  They have all been asymptomatic.  Also, everyone is reporting worst case data, which some experts are now saying will never occur.  If there is a 2% mortality rate, it will be 2% of the potential patient pool, which only includes elderly and people with comorbidity factors.  Basically, driving a car has a higher risk of killing you then this virus.  I guess they need to ban car travel.  

From the CDC

As of March 16, a total of 4,226 COVID-19 cases had been reported in the United States, with reports increasing to 500 or more cases per day beginning March 14 (Figure 1). Among 2,449 patients with known age, 6% were aged ≥85, 25% were aged 65–84 years, 18% each were aged 55–64 years and 45–54 years, and 29% were aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). Only 5% of cases occurred in persons aged 0–19 years.

Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, 26% were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years. Less than 1% of hospitalizations were among persons aged ≤19 years (Figure 2). The percentage of persons hospitalized increased with age, from 2%–3% among persons aged ≤9 years, to ≥31% among adults aged ≥85 years. (Table).

Among 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 7% of cases were reported among adults ≥85 years, 46% among adults aged 65–84 years, 36% among adults aged 45–64 years, and 12% among adults aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). No ICU admissions were reported among persons aged ≤19 years. Percentages of ICU admissions were lowest among adults aged 20–44 years (2%–4%) and highest among adults aged 75–84 years (11%–31%) (Table).

Among 44 cases with known outcome, 15 (34%) deaths were reported among adults aged ≥85 years, 20 (46%) among adults aged 65–84 years, and nine (20%) among adults aged 20–64 years. Case-fatality percentages increased with increasing age, from no deaths reported among persons aged ≤19 years to highest percentages (10%–27%) among adults aged ≥85 years (Table) (Figure 2).

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w 

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The number of reported cases don't align with what the states are reporting but there's this little nugget on the CDC website.

† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-in-us.html

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13 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

From the CDC

As of March 16, a total of 4,226 COVID-19 cases had been reported in the United States, with reports increasing to 500 or more cases per day beginning March 14 (Figure 1). Among 2,449 patients with known age, 6% were aged ≥85, 25% were aged 65–84 years, 18% each were aged 55–64 years and 45–54 years, and 29% were aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). Only 5% of cases occurred in persons aged 0–19 years.

Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, 26% were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years. Less than 1% of hospitalizations were among persons aged ≤19 years (Figure 2). The percentage of persons hospitalized increased with age, from 2%–3% among persons aged ≤9 years, to ≥31% among adults aged ≥85 years. (Table).

Among 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 7% of cases were reported among adults ≥85 years, 46% among adults aged 65–84 years, 36% among adults aged 45–64 years, and 12% among adults aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). No ICU admissions were reported among persons aged ≤19 years. Percentages of ICU admissions were lowest among adults aged 20–44 years (2%–4%) and highest among adults aged 75–84 years (11%–31%) (Table).

Among 44 cases with known outcome, 15 (34%) deaths were reported among adults aged ≥85 years, 20 (46%) among adults aged 65–84 years, and nine (20%) among adults aged 20–64 years. Case-fatality percentages increased with increasing age, from no deaths reported among persons aged ≤19 years to highest percentages (10%–27%) among adults aged ≥85 years (Table) (Figure 2).

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w 

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The number of reported cases don't align with what the states are reporting but there's this little nugget on the CDC website.

† CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-in-us.html

Those numbers do not show comorbidity factors.

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12 minutes ago, schwarzenegger321 said:

Those numbers do not show comorbidity factors.

So take the numbers in the US from obesity, smoking, heart disease, diabetes, etc.

As you said.  They all have high mortality rates on their own.

Now add Covid-19 on top of that.  I'm not talking about death either.  I'm talking about the number of people that will require hospitalization.

As many people have said the health care system is not designed to handle high volumes of people requiring hospitalization. 

Let's be conservative and say if .5% of the population requires hospitalization that's still twice as many people as there are staffed hospital beds according to the American Hospital Association.

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40 minutes ago, schwarzenegger321 said:

all numbers below are from the CDC or WHO databases:

90 people die every day in the us due to car accidents; 

1200 die every day due to smoking;

822 due to obesity;

85 due to firearms;

There have been between 16,000 and 22,000 seasonal flu deaths in the US this year*

as of 9am on 20March2020, there have been 218 Coronavirus deaths in the US

*the exact number of flu deaths is hard to determine because many fatalities of the sick and elderly are never confirmed by tests as being caused by the flu

For car accidents, there are preventative measures and laws(seat belts, airbags, driving rules, etc)

Smoking is illegal to purchase for minors, expensive as a habit, and there are constant campaigns about the perils of smoking.

Obesity, same...although the USA government certainly supports obesity through the FDA and continued push about need for an animal product centric diet.

Firearms...well some of those are possibility preventable with stronger gun laws....but guns were invented, are not greatly regulated throughout the world in their ownership(too much variability from country to country) so they will be used for harm

Flu is problem...and is often downplayed considerably. I have seen influenza kill young and old. Its terrible. CDC yearly sends out through media the usual conversation about prevention with influenza.

Coronavirus has a higher mortality rate than the aforementioned influenza unfortunately...and we know FAR less about it than the influenza viruses. It is not unreasonable for the simple sake of our older population and persons with autoimmume disorders for us to be diligent.

But persons that take a hard stance against the severity of the virus will not be convinced until it takes a personal toll in their lives, and not just in a financial way. 

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1 hour ago, schwarzenegger321 said:

Since it was brought up.  The data shows, and I mean the real data and not the garbage the media and moronic governmental officials and publishing, that if you are under 60, have no comorbidity factors such as immune compromised, smoker, obese or have pulmonary disease, COVID-19 is less harmful then the flu.  If you don’t believe that go to any site such as the CDC or WHO, where they are now reporting individual cases and find a single healthy 30 - 50 year old that has even been hospitalized.  Mass testing has just begun and what the data is showing is that many people are infected, or have been for a while.  They have all been asymptomatic.  Also, everyone is reporting worst case data, which some experts are now saying will never occur.  If there is a 2% mortality rate, it will be 2% of the potential patient pool, which only includes elderly and people with comorbidity factors.  Basically, driving a car has a higher risk of killing you then this virus.  I guess they need to ban car travel.  

Thank you.  Some great data presented. 
Most of us have someone we know or love, in the high risk group.  
What we are doing is to protect those who are most at risk.

 

 

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3 hours ago, schwarzenegger321 said:

Since it was brought up.  The data shows, and I mean the real data and not the garbage the media and moronic governmental officials and publishing, that if you are under 60, have no comorbidity factors such as immune compromised, smoker, obese or have pulmonary disease, COVID-19 is less harmful then the flu.  If you don’t believe that go to any site such as the CDC or WHO, where they are now reporting individual cases and find a single healthy 30 - 50 year old that has even been hospitalized.  Mass testing has just begun and what the data is showing is that many people are infected, or have been for a while.  They have all been asymptomatic.  Also, everyone is reporting worst case data, which some experts are now saying will never occur.  If there is a 2% mortality rate, it will be 2% of the potential patient pool, which only includes elderly and people with comorbidity factors.  Basically, driving a car has a higher risk of killing you then this virus.  I guess they need to ban car travel.  

Looking at CDC information, in the US as of 3/16, persons over the age of 65 have a range of mortality from 2.5%, and it goes up to 15% + over the age of 85.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm#F1_down

Please detail to me how "driving a car has a higher risk of killing you (than) this virus"..........................

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20 hours ago, Geneaut said:

Not a vaccine. He signed off on using chloroquine and remdesvir to treat the disease. There is no proven vaccine at the moment.

From what I read the vaccine would be a year out.

Ever wonder if china found a vaccine but keeping it themselves since they hate the USA? They would give it out for trillions probaly lol

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1 hour ago, ki46dinah said:

Looking at CDC information, in the US as of 3/16, persons over the age of 65 have a range of mortality from 2.5%, and it goes up to 15% + over the age of 85.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm#F1_down

Please detail to me how "driving a car has a higher risk of killing you (than) this virus"..........................

Under 19 and this virus has killed exactly zero people in the US.  How many 19 year olds or younger have died in car accidents.  This disease isn’t about the virus, it’s about the virus and comorbidity factors.  It’s has multi variant causality, as do most disease states.  The Thermo Fischer’s testing platform just went from being able to run 16 tests a day to over 10,000.  Yes, we are going to see a huge spike in reported cases.

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15 hours ago, Roanoke Falcon said:

He was allowing his DC to pay his defenders to INJURE opposing players. One of the careers he ruined tried a comeback here. Forgot the kid's name, was a G drafted by the Bears. The filthy Saints players and coaches ruined that kids career. Cost him his shot at a multi-million dollar career. Ruined a decade plus of hard work, dedication, determination, and commitment to the sport.

False. Not only was everything you said never proven, it was actually disproven by an independent, 3rd party research institution by using the league mandated injury reports as a base.

The NFL doesn’t give a flying **** about player safety; you know it, I know it, and everyone that watches the NFL knows it. Bountygate/Fabrigate was nothing but a PR stunt for the NFL with the impending billion dollar lawsuits that were behind the curtain at the time and about bend the league over without any lube... and they did. 

Do yourself a favor and read that article I linked above in its entirety before trying to ignorantly flap your gums about something you obviously don’t know anything about outside of the headline.

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1 hour ago, Iron Saint said:

False. Not only was everything you said never proven, it was actually disproven by an independent, 3rd party research institution by using the league mandated injury reports as a base.

The NFL doesn’t give a flying **** about player safety; you know it, I know it, and everyone that watches the NFL knows it. Bountygate/Fabrigate was nothing but a PR stunt for the NFL with the impending billion dollar lawsuits that were behind the curtain at the time and about bend the league over without any lube... and they did. 

Do yourself a favor and read that article I linked above in its entirety before trying to ignorantly flap your gums about something you obviously don’t know anything about outside of the headline.

Another lying, filthy Taint. He was suspended, Williams was suspended, several players were suspended if I recall correctly. Gabe Carimi certainly knows all about it; he was the Bears rookie Guard targeted for a bounty, and two scumbag Taints deliberately targeted his knees. The kid tried to mount a comeback here, but his knee was too damaged to allow any explosiveness.

 

STFU and GTFO you filthy lying Taint. Go suckle your Covid coach.

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6 hours ago, Roanoke Falcon said:

Another lying, filthy Taint. He was suspended, Williams was suspended, several players were suspended if I recall correctly. Gabe Carimi certainly knows all about it; he was the Bears rookie Guard targeted for a bounty, and two scumbag Taints deliberately targeted his knees. The kid tried to mount a comeback here, but his knee was too damaged to allow any explosiveness.

STFU and GTFO you filthy lying Taint. Go suckle your Covid coach.

I also like how you completely left out the fact that those players were vindicated of any malicious wrongdoing when their suspensions were overturned by Tagliabue (who had to come in and undo his successor’s massive cluster**** that he found himself in) due to:

a.) lack of any credible evidence (including the infamous cocktail napkin that had a few numbers and player names on it) that even the NFL’s own reporter, Steve Wyche wrote about what the NFL exhibited as “evidence”... “based on what I saw Monday, it's hard to say that the evidence proves definitively that players were rewarded for intentionally targeting opponents for injury”; this dude is on the NFL’s own payroll and he thinks they were full of ****

b.) downright flimsy evidence (for example, the audio of a player on the sideline allegedly saying “pay me my money” that the league was certain they had named Anthony Hargrove as the culprit, only to backtrack on that claim when threatened with a lawsuit)

c.) evidence that was proven to be fabricated and falsified after the fact by a disgruntled, former employee that was upset about not receiving a “real Super Bowl ring) in 2009-10; OHH, and then the NFL turned around and hired that proven liar to a league office position as the director of football administration in 2017, how’s that for the credibility of the NFL? Hiring a guy that is not only proven to be inept at his job, but is also willing to commit perjury.

Oh and how about DeMaurice Smith. The head of the NFLPA and a former prosecutor in Washington D.C. outright denying the existence of a Saints “pay-to-injure” system the NFL was alleging. Think about that, after seeing the evidence the NFL was so proud of, even a former prosecutor said that the NFL was full of **** on their claims. And you still believe them, LOOOOOL.

As for Gabe Carimi, LMAO. Now I know for 100% that you don’t research ANYTHING that falls out of your mouth. Do yourself a favor and go back and watch that Bears-Saints game in 2011 and watch the play that Carimi got hurt on. Here, I’ll even save you or anyone else the trouble of having to search for it, it’s at :35 left in the 2nd quarter. Even better, take advantage of the NFL’s free trial for Gamepass right now and it’s at 1:03:40 into the game and watch for yourself how full of **** YOU are, like the NFL.

“TwO sCuMbAg SaInTs pLaYeRs DeLiBeRaTeLy tArGeTeD HiS kNeEs!” LMAOOOOO, the dude gets rushed by one Saints player (Leigh Torrence, a 179 lb CB) that goes nowhere near his knees and he trips over his own teammate (Chris Spencer) that fell down behind him. Plus Carimi was the Bears’ RT, not a guard. He tripped over the guard.

I pity how dumb you’re sounding right now, dude. I really do. Just cut your losses and stop, you’re only digging your own hole deeper the more you stay stupid stuff and I will continue to bury you by tearing apart everything you say. I’m not the person you want to debate this particular topic with because unlike you, I actually followed the story through completion.

But yeah, cut your losses because all you’re doing is embarrassing your fellow Falcons fans here for having to be associated with you. :lol:

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