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7 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

Glad to see the Patriots got two more 3rd round  comp’s.  That’s seven 3rd round picks, a 4th and two 5th comp picks since 2015.  Frustrating

We'd have fans here crying their eyeballs out over all the guys we'd have to let walk

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20 minutes ago, Osiruz said:

Should have got compensation for Brian Poole. 

He signed a 3.5 mil contract, that’s not going to get us anything, Coleman signed for more than that.  We also signed a couple of guards that likely cancelled out anyone leaving.

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11 hours ago, Osiruz said:

Should have got compensation for Brian Poole. 

Brian Poole did not count in the comp formula because he was a RFA and not an UFA.  From a post of mine about comp picks on May 7,2019

 

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The free agency period for determining 2020 compensatory draft picks ends today.  Any Free Agents signed after today will not factor into the Compensatory Draft formula. So this is a good time to assess whether teams are entitled to comp picks or not, and if so, how many and which rounds. To make a long story short, it appears that the Falcons will NOT be entitled to any comp picks in the 2020 NFL draft.

I used to analyze the Falcons free agency situation, and then project comp picks for the Falcons based upon my analysis. However, OvertheCap starting making comp projections for each team and its projections are very good, so that I no longer need to do all the detailed work anymore.

OvertheCap is projecting that Atlanta LOST 3 Compensable Unrestricted Free Agents: (CUFAs): 

Tevin Coleman ($4.25million Average per Year APY),

Bruce Irwin ($4m APY) and

Justin Bethel ($2m APY). 

 

OvertheCap is projecting that Atlanta has SIGNED 3 CUFAs: 

Jamon Brown ($6.25m APY),

James Carpenter ($5.25m APY), and

Luke Stocker ($2.75m APY).

 

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

 

Therefore, Atlanta's projected NET LOSS = -0-, and thus NO comp picks. Comp picks are only awarded to those teams who have a NET LOSS of CUFAs. There is 1 exception whereby a team with a Net Loss of -0- might get a 7th-round comp pick, if the overall value of the players lost significantly exceeds the total overall value of the players signed. However, Atlanta will not fall under this exception, because the overall value signed exceeds the overall value lost.

We know that Atlanta lost Robert Alford ($7.5m APV) and Brooks Reed ($1.625m APV) in free agency to the Cardinals. However, these two players do NOT count in the comp formula, because they were CUT by Atlanta before their contracts expired. In the same manner, Adrian Clayborn ($2m APR) does not count as CUFA signing by Atlanta, because he was CUT by the Pats. Players who become UFAs by being Cut before their contract expires, do Not count in the compensatory formula.

However, not all uncut UFAs count in the compensatory formula, because some make less than a Minimum Threshold APV, which appears to be somewhere around $950,000 per year. That is why Jordan Richards ($895,000) and Ben Garland ($805,000) do NOT count as CUFAs Lost by Atlanta. The minimum threshold rule is also why Tyeler Davidson ($895,0000), Kenjon Barner ($895,000), JJ Wilcox ($895,000), and John Wetzel ($720,000) do NOT count as CUFAs Signed by the Falcons.

At first glance, I remember thinking that the loss of Brian Poole ($3.5m APY) to the Jets should count. However, Poole does NOT count because he was a RFA (Restricted Free Agent), and not an UFA (Unrestricted Free Agent). Neither would ERFAs (Exclusive Right Free Agents) count in the comp formula. Marvin Hall does Not count as a CUFA lost by Atlanta because he was an ERFA, plus his new salary is below the minimum threshold.

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1 minute ago, theProf said:

Brian Poole did not count in the comp formula because he was a RFA and not an UFA.  From a post of mine about comp picks on May 7,2019

 

Posted May 7, 2019 · Report post

The free agency period for determining 2020 compensatory draft picks ends today.  Any Free Agents signed after today will not factor into the Compensatory Draft formula. So this is a good time to assess whether teams are entitled to comp picks or not, and if so, how many and which rounds. To make a long story short, it appears that the Falcons will NOT be entitled to any comp picks in the 2020 NFL draft.

I used to analyze the Falcons free agency situation, and then project comp picks for the Falcons based upon my analysis. However, OvertheCap starting making comp projections for each team and its projections are very good, so that I no longer need to do all the detailed work anymore.

OvertheCap is projecting that Atlanta LOST 3 Compensable Unrestricted Free Agents: (CUFAs): 

Tevin Coleman ($4.25million Average per Year APY),

Bruce Irwin ($4m APY) and

Justin Bethel ($2m APY). 

 

OvertheCap is projecting that Atlanta has SIGNED 3 CUFAs: 

Jamon Brown ($6.25m APY),

James Carpenter ($5.25m APY), and

Luke Stocker ($2.75m APY).

 

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

 

Therefore, Atlanta's projected NET LOSS = -0-, and thus NO comp picks. Comp picks are only awarded to those teams who have a NET LOSS of CUFAs. There is 1 exception whereby a team with a Net Loss of -0- might get a 7th-round comp pick, if the overall value of the players lost significantly exceeds the total overall value of the players signed. However, Atlanta will not fall under this exception, because the overall value signed exceeds the overall value lost.

We know that Atlanta lost Robert Alford ($7.5m APV) and Brooks Reed ($1.625m APV) in free agency to the Cardinals. However, these two players do NOT count in the comp formula, because they were CUT by Atlanta before their contracts expired. In the same manner, Adrian Clayborn ($2m APR) does not count as CUFA signing by Atlanta, because he was CUT by the Pats. Players who become UFAs by being Cut before their contract expires, do Not count in the compensatory formula.

However, not all uncut UFAs count in the compensatory formula, because some make less than a Minimum Threshold APV, which appears to be somewhere around $950,000 per year. That is why Jordan Richards ($895,000) and Ben Garland ($805,000) do NOT count as CUFAs Lost by Atlanta. The minimum threshold rule is also why Tyeler Davidson ($895,0000), Kenjon Barner ($895,000), JJ Wilcox ($895,000), and John Wetzel ($720,000) do NOT count as CUFAs Signed by the Falcons.

At first glance, I remember thinking that the loss of Brian Poole ($3.5m APY) to the Jets should count. However, Poole does NOT count because he was a RFA (Restricted Free Agent), and not an UFA (Unrestricted Free Agent). Neither would ERFAs (Exclusive Right Free Agents) count in the comp formula. Marvin Hall does Not count as a CUFA lost by Atlanta because he was an ERFA, plus his new salary is below the minimum threshold.

that's weird that we cut Alford without letting his and Reed's contracts expire, but good post. Signing Stocker was a waste.

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Very interesting how all this plays out. My gut feeling is that TD would trade back up into the first round for pick #2. Comp pick(s) sure would have been helpful for that. 

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1 hour ago, Osiruz said:

that's weird that we cut Alford without letting his and Reed's contracts expire, but good post. Signing Stocker was a waste.

They saved a total of 17 million over 2 years by cutting Alford and 4.5 million by cutting Reed.

They had assumed Oliver could take over Alford's spot and the money saved with Reed could be used to upgrade the depth along the line.  Bringing in Davidson was the action afterwards I assume the money was used on.

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41 minutes ago, federicofalcon2 said:

They saved a total of 17 million over 2 years by cutting Alford and 4.5 million by cutting Reed.

They had assumed Oliver could take over Alford's spot and the money saved with Reed could be used to upgrade the depth along the line.  Bringing in Davidson was the action afterwards I assume the money was used on.

Man its been so long I forgot they were cut, rather than walked in FA.

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13 hours ago, Rings said:

He signed a 3.5 mil contract, that’s not going to get us anything, Coleman signed for more than that.  We also signed a couple of guards that likely cancelled out anyone leaving.

Yup two great FA guards for cheap :rant:

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Seems like the teams who don't need 'em, get 'em (Pats) --- and the teams who could desperately use them (Atlanta), don't get 'em. 
The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer....kinda like in real life ---  :( 




 

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3 hours ago, FalconJim said:

Seems like the teams who don't need 'em, get 'em (Pats) --- and the teams who could desperately use them (Atlanta), don't get 'em. 
The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer....kinda like in real life ---  :( 




 

Almost as if the good team trades back in the draft and doesn't spend big in free agency and the other team trades up in the draft and spends enough in free agency to cancel out any comp picks they would get.

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4 hours ago, FalconJim said:

Seems like the teams who don't need 'em, get 'em (Pats) --- and the teams who could desperately use them (Atlanta), don't get 'em. 
The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer....kinda like in real life ---  :( 




 

You did see all the players the Pats let walk, right?

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4 hours ago, FalconJim said:

Seems like the teams who don't need 'em, get 'em (Pats) --- and the teams who could desperately use them (Atlanta), don't get 'em. 
The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer....kinda like in real life ---  :( 




 

Honest question.  Have you looked at the Patriots draft history over the years?  If you want the tl;dr version of it it goes something like this...

"Not great"

As everything else, it comes down to coaching and Bill is the GOAT.

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